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I also find it a little odd that Councilman Fulop has stepped down off the anti-Healy podium with his most recent pro Mayor Healy comments "I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city"...


Can you provide evidence that Fulop stepped down from the "anti-Healy podium" ? How do you explain Fulop's recent criticism of Armando Roman, who has very close ties to the administration? Jeesh, and when Fulop directly attacks Healy he's accused of grandstanding.

You can believe whatever you want, but please back up your accusations, which I believe are not accurate.

As far as Manzo goes, I came to the conclusion back when Cunningham was mayor that Lou was too erratic (unstable?) to be our next mayor. Fulop made the right decision to run as an independent. and I'm disappointed that Carrol is running on the Manzo slate.


How could you think otherwise when Councilman Fulop is clearly quoted as saying that he believes Mayor Healy has done a real nice job and has a lot to be proud of (Fulop quote) "I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city" why the sudden change of heart?

How can Fulop say that Healy has done a real nice job with a lot to be proud of while throwing out comments about how Healy has never kept his word about anything (Fulop quote) "in my experiences with Jerry Healy he has never kept his word about anything,?

There was also an article in the Jersey where Councilman Fulop requested a "Healy Probe" (Fulop quote) Fulop launching "an investigation into waste and abuse of tax payer dollars and blatant conflicts of interest in the Healy administration" My comments are not accusations, they are from quoted facts.

I also read the article concerning the promotion of one Fire Capt. Councilman Fulop's comments were clearly directed at Mr. Roman, not the Mayor.

I have a lot of respect for Councilman Fulop and was disappointed to hear that he was not running against the machine for Mayor. At this point, (in my humble opinion) I feel that Mr. Fullop is more concerned about his re-election than "Open, Honest. Government".

As to your comments about Mr. Manzo, I have not decided who I will be voting for this May. When I last checked, there were 4 candidates on the slate. I have also seen the comments about Mr. Manzo being unstable - most of them as political stickers defacing public and private property throughout the city from the last election.

If Healy and Manzo enter into a run-off again, I will be forced to vote against the Healy regime. I don't know too much about Smith or Levin and would like to hear more. When comparing Healy and Manzo's record, it's clear who the unstable person really is.

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I also find it a little odd that Councilman Fulop has stepped down off the anti-Healy podium with his most recent pro Mayor Healy comments "I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city"...


Can you provide evidence that Fulop stepped down from the "anti-Healy podium" ? How do you explain Fulop's recent criticism of Armando Roman, who has very close ties to the administration? Jeesh, and when Fulop directly attacks Healy he's accused of grandstanding.

You can believe whatever you want, but please back up your accusations, which I believe are not accurate.

As far as Manzo goes, I came to the conclusion back when Cunningham was mayor that Lou was too erratic (unstable?) to be our next mayor. Fulop made the right decision to run as an independent. and I'm disappointed that Carrol is running on the Manzo slate.







Order in the court, now we must provide evidence to express our opinions as to the significance of the course of political events. Next we will have to provide "evidence" that the sky is blue and that our observations are insufficient to prove it.

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I also find it a little odd that Councilman Fulop has stepped down off the anti-Healy podium with his most recent pro Mayor Healy comments "I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city"...


Can you provide evidence that Fulop stepped down from the "anti-Healy podium" ? How do you explain Fulop's recent criticism of Armando Roman, who has very close ties to the administration? Jeesh, and when Fulop directly attacks Healy he's accused of grandstanding.

You can believe whatever you want, but please back up your accusations, which I believe are not accurate.

As far as Manzo goes, I came to the conclusion back when Cunningham was mayor that Lou was too erratic (unstable?) to be our next mayor. Fulop made the right decision to run as an independent. and I'm disappointed that Carrol is running on the Manzo slate.

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I would like to begin this post by saying that I fully believed in Councilman Fulop since he first ran for councilman. While some might believe that I am politically naive, I trusted in councilman Fulops' pledge of "good government" that he touted before and during his term of office and trusted his representation that he would run for mayor and implement his good government pledge.
Over the years Mr Fulop has continually criticized and taken what I thought were principled stands against Mayor Healy's haphazard and incompetent administration of this city. However, recently Mr Fulop has broken his promises to run for mayor he has taken some curious and inexplicable actions with regard to his interaction with both Mr Healy and Mr. Manzo. Since Fulops announcement that he would not be running for mayor, Fulop has sudenly stopped dead in his tracks in his criticism of Mayor Healy and his administration despite its continuing ineptitude. He has actually appeared at a Healy event and has denied that this should be construed as an endorsement of Mayor Healy. Healy has even selected Guy Catrillo (a great individual but a weak candidate) to run against Fulop in ward E. All of these actions to me signal that Mayor Healy and Councilman Fulop if not actually conspiring to cede the Ward E council seat to Fulop, have at least reached a sort of political detente which will result in Fulop's acquisition of that seat. Fulop has even redirected his political venom from Mayor Healy and has now directed it at Mr. Manzo. I am especially surprised by the type and intensity of Mr Fulop's juvenile venomous rhetoric toward Mr. Manzo who he has labeled as "mentally unstable", "a paranoid conspiracy theorist", "Looney Louie", and as wearing a "tin hat". This coming from an individual running for public office in this city is unacceptable, and especially shocking coming from Fulop who was once victimized by the same type of venemous rhetoric by then JCPD Police Chief Robert Troy who labeled Fulop as "Chicken Little" the sky is falling Fulop. Chief Troy has since been relegated to the dustbin of history but now Fulop has adopted his vicious temperment. One would think that after being similarly abused Fulop would exercise better judgement.
Taking into consideration all of the above it seems to methat the facts seem to corroborate Manzos version of events than Fulops whose version seems to conflict with his current political interests. Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials. By adopting this strategy Fulop, for personal gain has decided that the people of Jersey City can put up with four more years of Healys incompetence rather than achieving his proffessed goal of good government through collaboration with individuals of simiar mindset. In Short Fulop has put his personal interest before those of the citizens of Jersey City. There is no room in good government for those who check the political weather vane for which way the wind is blowing and that is why I can no longer believe in or support Mr Fulops candidacy. My father once told me that when someones actions are contrary to his words that I should look to his actions for final definition of his intentions. Your actions and words follow divergent paths and your actions indicate that you are a political opportunist. Mr Fulop you have let your constituents down in your quest for personal advancement and that sir is simply unforgivable.




I also find it a little odd that Councilman Fulop has stepped down off the anti-Healy podium with his most recent pro Mayor Healy comments "I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city".

The Mayoral is only months away, but I find it hard to believe that Fulop would allow his idea of "Open, Honest, Government" to take a back seat for re-election purposes.
It was not too long ago that Fulop was quoted as saying:

"I got his letter, and my initial take is that, in my experiences with Jerry Healy he has never kept his word about anything,? said Fulop So there is a trust issue as always. My goal and the petitioners? goal is a better Jersey City. I?ll discuss it with the other petitioners and we?ll go from there. But the way Jerry Healy has handled the salary situation certainly jeopardizes any trust.?

?The public will see these people have their entire families on the public payrolls for years. If they want transparency, I?m willing?. I?m ready to do it. Healy?s not. He?s the one who?s blowing smoke.?

"If you look at his career, and what he?s supported, you can see he?s always been an organization man. And it was recently reported in the Asbury Park Press that Tom DeGise engineered $14,400 in contributions to Healy?s campaign from Ocean County Democrats. This happened on the same day that DeGise gave $14,400 to the Ocean County Democratic Party. So you see how wide the reach of the machine is, and you get some sense of the amount of wheeling [same day in, same day out contributions] that happens."


"Downtown Councilman Steven Fulop called Lipski's arrest "embarrassing" for Jersey City.
Coupled with Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy's conviction for resisting arrest and obstruction of administrative law during a tussle with cops in Bradley Beach in 2006, Fulop said these incidents would lead investors to "question the leadership" of Jersey City.
"It is very humiliating," he said."

"Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy doesn?t have the official endorsement of one of his biggest critics, City Councilman Steven Fulop, but in the rough and tumble of the municipal election season, the two seem to be getting along quite nicely. Fulop attended Healy?s announcement. Healy is running a seemingly weak candidate for Councilman against Fulop in Ward E ? perennial candidate Guy ?the Squab? Catrillo. And now he told the Hudson Reporter: ?I think he did a real nice job. I think he has a lot to be proud of, and he highlighted a lot of the positive things that are happening in the city.?"

I would like to know where Mr. Fulop stands when it comes to Mayor Healy? I for one am not a Healy supporter and can not in good conscience, vote for anyone that supports him.

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The real beauty of this upcoming mayoral election is that we can cut the head off the monster. One swift blow at the ballot box and things will change instantly in City Hall. No more backroom deals. No more graft. No more "good ol' boys" network dictating your future. I implore all citizens who want real Change to support Dan Levin. Shake It Up 09'! Yes We Can.

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Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials.


Haha yes, Healy's only qualifications for office include serving as a county prosecutor, running a private law practice, being a former judge and actually being mayor. Plus he's the head of the HCDO and counts the governor, Cory Booker and US Congressmen and Senators as his supporters.

Manzo's "credentials", on the other hand, appear to be four years in the State Assembly and losing the mayoral election four times. Oh and a BA in Health Education. I'm not sure he's even had a full time job before, mayor of New Jersey's soon to be largest city might not be the easiest place to start.



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Gone but not forgotten
Manzo leaves mark on state Assembly
By Al Sullivan, Reporter senior staff writer 01/19/2008

State Assemblyman Louis Manzo knew his career with the state Assembly was really over when staff members from Trenton came to his West Side Avenue offices in Jersey City and began to take away his computers.

But philosophically, Manzo knew his legislative career was over last June when, in a surprising turn of events, he lost his bid for state Senate to Sandra Cunningham in the Democratic primary. The reality of stepping down after four years in office didn't hit home until he watched the computers go.

The dismantling of his office actually took several days, a kind of slow death as telephone staff and others came into remove pieces of what has been one of the most effective legislative offices in the state Assembly. "It's sad," he said during an interview at the Broadway Diner recently. "You watch things change."

Manzo, unfortunately, proved the negative adage that good legislation does not mean re-election, because many state officials acknowledge Manzo as one of the most effective lawmakers in recent times, with a significant number of his well-crafted bills being signed into law.

Manzo, who will turn 53 in February, has already had a rich and significant political career. While he is closing out his four years as a state Assemblyman from the 31st District, which includes Bayonne and part of Jersey City, he said he has no intention of fading away.

Began as a health activist
Manzo, who received his BA in Health Education from Jersey City State College, began his political career as a health activitist. He briefly served as an environmental health specialist in Bayonne and still holds a similar position in Jersey City. He was most effective as a health officier for Hudson County.

Raised in the Greenville and West Side neighborhoods of Jersey City, Manzo was the first independent candidate elected to the Hudson County Freeholders in the early 1990s. Manzo has run unsuccessfully for mayor four times, although he is already gearing up for the Jersey City mayoral election in 2009 on the issue of chromium pollution in Jersey City. As a health officer, Manzo showed how chromium dumped at various locations in Jersey City may have led to cancer clusters.

Manzo's sharp criticism for a recent deal for the site along Route 440, saying that it is a bad deal that has the potential to pose a health risk to residents of Jersey City, may be the first salvo in his effort to unseat Incumbent Mayor Jerramiah Healy next year. Jersey City recently settled a case with Honeywell Inc. in which Honeywell will help that city develop 100 acres near Route 440, but will not do the majority of the cleanup. "Chromium migrates, and capping it on that site won't stop it," he said. "The area has to be cleaned up."

Accomplishments in the Assembly
Although health issues played a big part of Manzo's legislative accomplishments during his four years in the state Assembly, particularly with the development of the Highlands Protection Act that protected the state's drinking water, Manzo's legislation covered a wide range of areas including tax reform, school funding, and crime.

"The Highlands bill was probably my most important legislation because it protects our drinking water," he said, "but I'm proud of a number of bills that eventually got made into law."

Some of his legislative efforts had curious side effects. While Manzo has struggled to get his Smart Bill passed, a bill that would shift the cost of school funding from property to income taxes, his lobbying efforts on the bill's behalf won concessions from the administration in other areas, and in once case led to the largest tax rebate to property owners in the state's history.

Anti-crime success
His ability to get a signficant number of anti-crime bills passed came as a surprise to Manzo, he said. Some of these have become national models that other states are now looking at.

Anti-crime legislation - in particular gun control legislation - has been hampered on state levels by significant opposition by President George W. Bush and his administration. Manzo said in order to effectively limit the spread of illegal guns into the state, local officials have had to craft legislation in ways that would not be stymied by the federal government.

One bill Manzo introduced forced people to show a valid firearms license in order to purchase ammunition. This was a blow to street gangs, Manzo said, who bought illegal guns, but then could not get the ammunition.

A more direct assault on illegal guns was the state law requiring people to report guns missing or stolen within 36 hours. This is being used to combat gun dealers, who import guns from other states for eventual deployment on the street. When one of these guns showed up in a crime, the owner simply said the gun was stolen. Manzo said the requirement to report the gun stolen will either show that dealers in the state are selling guns to street gangs or force the gun sellers to stop.

Two years ago, Manzo introduced a package of anti-crime and anti-street gang bills, some of which became part of Gov. Jon Corzine's anti-crime package this year. Stricter punishments for people recruiting teens for street gangs also became part of Manzo's efforts to slow down the growth of street gangs in places like Jersey City. Some of Manzo's bills will become part of future crime efforts, and most recently, with the help of new state Sen. Sandra Cunningham, penalties for possessing handguns in public places were increased.

Also, Manzo's bills on monitoring internet sexual predators made New Jersey the toughest state in the United States when it comes to those kinds of crimes.

Seniors and jobs
Manzo said he is proud to have played a key role in rescuing two of the most popular senior citizen prescription drug programs, PAAD and Senior Gold, and helped craft legislation that allowed seniors to use Medicaid to pay for home healthcare aides. Manzo supported raising the minimum wage and adopting earned income credits.

Perhaps one of the most visible pieces of Manzo's legislation involves grants for the cleanup of former industrial sites. Several key projects in Hudson County were made possible because of this legislation.

Manzo, of course, said he is disappointed by his loss of the Assembly seat since he believes he could do much more. But he said he will remain active as a public advocate. He also believes that in 2009 he will be elected mayor of Jersey City. "I still have a lot of offer," he said.


No I dont suppose he has any qualifications at all if you eliminate all of the above. But no matter what, I can pretty much assure you that he will not bring any of the baggage with him to the office that Mayor Healy did.

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Haha yes, Healy's only qualifications for office include serving as a county prosecutor, running a private law practice, being a former judge and actually being mayor. Plus he's the head of the HCDO and counts the governor, Cory Booker and US Congressmen and Senators as his supporters.


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I just have to add this because I think it's amazing that both Mayor Healy and Mayor Booker can just pick up the phone and call President Obama. How cool is that?


Do you think his "relationship" with Obama will keep Healy off the booze? Or will he go the way of Blagoyovich?

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I would like to begin this post by saying that I fully believed in Councilman Fulop since he first ran for councilman. While some might believe that I am politically naive, I trusted in councilman Fulops' pledge of "good government" that he touted before and during his term of office and trusted his representation that he would run for mayor and implement his good government pledge.
Over the years Mr Fulop has continually criticized and taken what I thought were principled stands against Mayor Healy's haphazard and incompetent administration of this city. However, recently Mr Fulop has broken his promises to run for mayor he has taken some curious and inexplicable actions with regard to his interaction with both Mr Healy and Mr. Manzo. Since Fulops announcement that he would not be running for mayor, Fulop has sudenly stopped dead in his tracks in his criticism of Mayor Healy and his administration despite its continuing ineptitude. He has actually appeared at a Healy event and has denied that this should be construed as an endorsement of Mayor Healy. Healy has even selected Guy Catrillo (a great individual but a weak candidate) to run against Fulop in ward E. All of these actions to me signal that Mayor Healy and Councilman Fulop if not actually conspiring to cede the Ward E council seat to Fulop, have at least reached a sort of political detente which will result in Fulop's acquisition of that seat. Fulop has even redirected his political venom from Mayor Healy and has now directed it at Mr. Manzo. I am especially surprised by the type and intensity of Mr Fulop's juvenile venomous rhetoric toward Mr. Manzo who he has labeled as "mentally unstable", "a paranoid conspiracy theorist", "Looney Louie", and as wearing a "tin hat". This coming from an individual running for public office in this city is unacceptable, and especially shocking coming from Fulop who was once victimized by the same type of venemous rhetoric by then JCPD Police Chief Robert Troy who labeled Fulop as "Chicken Little" the sky is falling Fulop. Chief Troy has since been relegated to the dustbin of history but now Fulop has adopted his vicious temperment. One would think that after being similarly abused Fulop would exercise better judgement.
Taking into consideration all of the above it seems to methat the facts seem to corroborate Manzos version of events than Fulops whose version seems to conflict with his current political interests. Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials. By adopting this strategy Fulop, for personal gain has decided that the people of Jersey City can put up with four more years of Healys incompetence rather than achieving his proffessed goal of good government through collaboration with individuals of simiar mindset. In Short Fulop has put his personal interest before those of the citizens of Jersey City. There is no room in good government for those who check the political weather vane for which way the wind is blowing and that is why I can no longer believe in or support Mr Fulops candidacy. My father once told me that when someones actions are contrary to his words that I should look to his actions for final definition of his intentions. Your actions and words follow divergent paths and your actions indicate that you are a political opportunist. Mr Fulop you have let your constituents down in your quest for personal advancement and that sir is simply unforgivable.


You gotta be in it to win it. Being the brave reformer who never compromises and loses the election is a load of crap that accomplishes nothing. Fulop is doing what he has to to maintain his political career.

As for his remarks about Manzo, those were stupid and immature (although very likely accurate) and he should have known better. Ah, youth.

I don't remember him "promising" to run for Mayor, but when you compare his $250,000 and a ragtag band of clipboard wielding activists against Healy's $1M and professional operatives, it was a no-brainer not to try for Mayor. He would have lost and been out of the game for at least 4 years. Ask Bret Schundler how easy it is to get back in. Bret who? Exactly.







I am not saying money is not important to a campaign but it is not the be all and end all for a successful campaign.
I hear major anti-Healy administration drums beating on the Downtown streets that could very well pose a serious problem for him.People judge on the job performed and not on the amount of money in your campaign chest.One old story seems kind of similar to the current situation.This is probably a easy one for those who are posting here but does anyone remember a mayoral race from a long time ago when one particular candidate had all the politicians supporting him and a great monetary advantage but he still lost the race. Dejavu.

Can you see the sign post ahead,you are entering the twilight zone.

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I would like to begin this post by saying that I fully believed in Councilman Fulop since he first ran for councilman. While some might believe that I am politically naive, I trusted in councilman Fulops' pledge of "good government" that he touted before and during his term of office and trusted his representation that he would run for mayor and implement his good government pledge.
Over the years Mr Fulop has continually criticized and taken what I thought were principled stands against Mayor Healy's haphazard and incompetent administration of this city. However, recently Mr Fulop has broken his promises to run for mayor he has taken some curious and inexplicable actions with regard to his interaction with both Mr Healy and Mr. Manzo. Since Fulops announcement that he would not be running for mayor, Fulop has sudenly stopped dead in his tracks in his criticism of Mayor Healy and his administration despite its continuing ineptitude. He has actually appeared at a Healy event and has denied that this should be construed as an endorsement of Mayor Healy. Healy has even selected Guy Catrillo (a great individual but a weak candidate) to run against Fulop in ward E. All of these actions to me signal that Mayor Healy and Councilman Fulop if not actually conspiring to cede the Ward E council seat to Fulop, have at least reached a sort of political detente which will result in Fulop's acquisition of that seat. Fulop has even redirected his political venom from Mayor Healy and has now directed it at Mr. Manzo. I am especially surprised by the type and intensity of Mr Fulop's juvenile venomous rhetoric toward Mr. Manzo who he has labeled as "mentally unstable", "a paranoid conspiracy theorist", "Looney Louie", and as wearing a "tin hat". This coming from an individual running for public office in this city is unacceptable, and especially shocking coming from Fulop who was once victimized by the same type of venemous rhetoric by then JCPD Police Chief Robert Troy who labeled Fulop as "Chicken Little" the sky is falling Fulop. Chief Troy has since been relegated to the dustbin of history but now Fulop has adopted his vicious temperment. One would think that after being similarly abused Fulop would exercise better judgement.
Taking into consideration all of the above it seems to methat the facts seem to corroborate Manzos version of events than Fulops whose version seems to conflict with his current political interests. Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials. By adopting this strategy Fulop, for personal gain has decided that the people of Jersey City can put up with four more years of Healys incompetence rather than achieving his proffessed goal of good government through collaboration with individuals of simiar mindset. In Short Fulop has put his personal interest before those of the citizens of Jersey City. There is no room in good government for those who check the political weather vane for which way the wind is blowing and that is why I can no longer believe in or support Mr Fulops candidacy. My father once told me that when someones actions are contrary to his words that I should look to his actions for final definition of his intentions. Your actions and words follow divergent paths and your actions indicate that you are a political opportunist. Mr Fulop you have let your constituents down in your quest for personal advancement and that sir is simply unforgivable.


You gotta be in it to win it. Being the brave reformer who never compromises and loses the election is a load of crap that accomplishes nothing. Fulop is doing what he has to to maintain his political career.

As for his remarks about Manzo, those were stupid and immature (although very likely accurate) and he should have known better. Ah, youth.

I don't remember him "promising" to run for Mayor, but when you compare his $250,000 and a ragtag band of clipboard wielding activists against Healy's $1M and professional operatives, it was a no-brainer not to try for Mayor. He would have lost and been out of the game for at least 4 years. Ask Bret Schundler how easy it is to get back in. Bret who? Exactly.

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Haha yes, Healy's only qualifications for office include serving as a county prosecutor, running a private law practice, being a former judge and actually being mayor. Plus he's the head of the HCDO and counts the governor, Cory Booker and US Congressmen and Senators as his supporters.


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I just have to add this because I think it's amazing that both Mayor Healy and Mayor Booker can just pick up the phone and call President Obama. How cool is that?


LOL.

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Definitely cool, that visibility to the President combined with the fact that we now have a president that actually cares about urban issues (funding for COPS grants for example) should lead to good things for us.

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Haha yes, Healy's only qualifications for office include serving as a county prosecutor, running a private law practice, being a former judge and actually being mayor. Plus he's the head of the HCDO and counts the governor, Cory Booker and US Congressmen and Senators as his supporters.


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I just have to add this because I think it's amazing that both Mayor Healy and Mayor Booker can just pick up the phone and call President Obama. How cool is that?

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Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials.


Haha yes, Healy's only qualifications for office include serving as a county prosecutor, running a private law practice, being a former judge and actually being mayor. Plus he's the head of the HCDO and counts the governor, Cory Booker and US Congressmen and Senators as his supporters.

Manzo's "credentials", on the other hand, appear to be four years in the State Assembly and losing the mayoral election four times. Oh and a BA in Health Education. I'm not sure he's even had a full time job before, mayor of New Jersey's soon to be largest city might not be the easiest place to start.

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I would like to begin this post by saying that I fully believed in Councilman Fulop since he first ran for councilman. While some might believe that I am politically naive, I trusted in councilman Fulops' pledge of "good government" that he touted before and during his term of office and trusted his representation that he would run for mayor and implement his good government pledge.
Over the years Mr Fulop has continually criticized and taken what I thought were principled stands against Mayor Healy's haphazard and incompetent administration of this city. However, recently Mr Fulop has broken his promises to run for mayor he has taken some curious and inexplicable actions with regard to his interaction with both Mr Healy and Mr. Manzo. Since Fulops announcement that he would not be running for mayor, Fulop has sudenly stopped dead in his tracks in his criticism of Mayor Healy and his administration despite its continuing ineptitude. He has actually appeared at a Healy event and has denied that this should be construed as an endorsement of Mayor Healy. Healy has even selected Guy Catrillo (a great individual but a weak candidate) to run against Fulop in ward E. All of these actions to me signal that Mayor Healy and Councilman Fulop if not actually conspiring to cede the Ward E council seat to Fulop, have at least reached a sort of political detente which will result in Fulop's acquisition of that seat. Fulop has even redirected his political venom from Mayor Healy and has now directed it at Mr. Manzo. I am especially surprised by the type and intensity of Mr Fulop's juvenile venomous rhetoric toward Mr. Manzo who he has labeled as "mentally unstable", "a paranoid conspiracy theorist", "Looney Louie", and as wearing a "tin hat". This coming from an individual running for public office in this city is unacceptable, and especially shocking coming from Fulop who was once victimized by the same type of venemous rhetoric by then JCPD Police Chief Robert Troy who labeled Fulop as "Chicken Little" the sky is falling Fulop. Chief Troy has since been relegated to the dustbin of history but now Fulop has adopted his vicious temperment. One would think that after being similarly abused Fulop would exercise better judgement.
Taking into consideration all of the above it seems to methat the facts seem to corroborate Manzos version of events than Fulops whose version seems to conflict with his current political interests. Since Fulop eventually wants to be mayor it is logical to conclude that he would rather run against a candidate with Mayor Healys record and notoriety than against a candidate with Assemblyman Manzos credentials. By adopting this strategy Fulop, for personal gain has decided that the people of Jersey City can put up with four more years of Healys incompetence rather than achieving his proffessed goal of good government through collaboration with individuals of simiar mindset. In Short Fulop has put his personal interest before those of the citizens of Jersey City. There is no room in good government for those who check the political weather vane for which way the wind is blowing and that is why I can no longer believe in or support Mr Fulops candidacy. My father once told me that when someones actions are contrary to his words that I should look to his actions for final definition of his intentions. Your actions and words follow divergent paths and your actions indicate that you are a political opportunist. Mr Fulop you have let your constituents down in your quest for personal advancement and that sir is simply unforgivable.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009
E verybody's talking about Fulop, Manzo, Catrillo, Levin, Gaughan, Brennan, Levin, Richardson, Healy, Lipski, Bertoli: All we are saaayiiiing is give peace a chance.

Sorry, that illusion for the Jersey City municipal election campaign season is long gone.



There has already been quite a bit of behind the scenes name calling and it finally broke out Friday, when mayoral candidate Louis Manzo, a former assemblyman, said that Downtown Councilman Steven Fulop is a phony. Manzo said the councilman, his right-hand man Tom Bertoli and Grateful Dead-loving Journal Square Councilman Steve Lipski have been badmouthing him to campaign contributors and others.

The former assemblyman charged the attacks are part of a deal Fulop has with incumbent Mayor Jerramiah Healy in which Healy has put up a Ward E candidate (Guy Catrillo) against Fulop with little support from the Jersey City Democratic Organization.

Fulop was unavailable for comment Friday, but he spoke to me about what he thought of Manzo's charges on Monday.

"Lou is mentally unstable," said Fulop. OK.

"He is always paranoid and sees conspiracies everywhere. He should stop wearing a 'tin' hat," the councilman continued.

I think Fulop meant aluminum cap - the kind used to ward off government or extraterrestrial radiowaves.

The councilman also charged that on Saturday, after the accusations, Manzo had begged him to run on his slate against Healy. Fulop said he turned him down.

"This is why they call him Loony Louie," said the councilman.

Manzo's camp sees the Saturday meeting differently.

"The meeting was actually called by Fulop with a request that Lou not run anyone in his ward - that it would cause a problem and may force a runoff in his (Downtown) ward," said Ivan Sutherland, a Manzo campaign spokesman.

"It was Fulop who got upset and said he will say things to destroy Lou," said Sutherland. "We're not getting involved in any schoolyard behavior, name calling. If it's not a debate on what is better for the City of Jersey City, we will not get involved."

Naturally, we could go back and forth on this for a week, but it should be noted that this form of political hand-to-hand combat provides only the surface of hidden, intricate layers of predetermined campaign plans.

Or they just wing it.

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It?s an interesting strategy by Louis Manzo to focus so much energy on slandering a candidate who isn't running for Mayor. Even when as late as this past Saturday Mr. Manzo was soliciting Steve to run on his ticket. I can't help but feel it?s very early days in the campaign for Mr. Manzo to be on the attack and offering nothing in the way of a positive dialogue. This is Mr. Manzo?s signature style of campaigning but be sure we will answer back with facts.

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When will Mr. Fulop endorse someone for Mayor ? Logic would dictate he would endorse the reformer Dan Levin. His silence on this issue is curious.

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If you have any doubt that corruption is rampant in this state, read this book. Unfortunately, I believe NJ is on a downward spiral that we may not escape.

http://www.amazon.com/Soprano-State-J ... oks&qid=1235602013&sr=8-1

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Vigilante - I'm NOT a lawyer and I'm not defending anybody. If you're offended by drunkenness in the Mayor's office, say so - but that does not mean that a developer building in Jersey City is corrupt. A developer who makes a donation to The Healy Foundation is apparently corrupt by your definition - certainly not by mine. By the way, I'm not a developer nor do I work for one.

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SHAKE IT UP..Levin 09 sounds good vigalante..now come aboard for the big win.!

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You don't have to believe that developers are actually corrupt in order to dislike their activities.

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You continue to attack - in no way do I benefit from any developer's project - but you have no problem stating that I do. You don't know who I am - and yet you've just charged me with corruption as well. I'm not defending anyone. I just feel that an attack should be explained with specifics - otherwise it's just fantasy. Apparently I need to have this conversartion with Dan Levin. I'll call him. If readers assume you're connected to his campaign, your posts are likely to hurt him at election time - not help.


I'll take you at your word and I apologize if I offended you but you come across as a typical lawyer with a sh*t-eating grin. It is unbecoming of you and Healy when you defend the obvious graft occurring around developers and their strategy for pushing projects through. I am not connected to Levin's campaign and I have never met him. I like what he stands for and I believe his approach is the best for Jersey City. There are countless stories of graft and glad-handing in this city. Every week there seems to be a new story of questionable promotions, drunkeness and deception. It feels like Jersey City is in a time-warp and it's still 1935. PAY TO PLAY. Think about what that implies about our representitives. So often I hear decent people compromising their ethics and voting for the "lesser of two evils". Well this is the year to change the culture in City Hall. It will never be easy but it has to start somewhere. Shake It Up. Levin 09'.

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You continue to attack - in no way do I benefit from any developer's project - but you have no problem stating that I do. You don't know who I am - and yet you've just charged me with corruption as well. I'm not defending anyone. I just feel that an attack should be explained with specifics - otherwise it's just fantasy. Apparently I need to have this conversartion with Dan Levin. I'll call him. If readers assume you're connected to his campaign, your posts are likely to hurt him at election time - not help.

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"Really? As someone who constantly posts inside information about new developments you should know better."

You still didn't answer my question - why don't you list the allegedly "corrupt developers" and explain their sins?


Dude, I don't have the time to lay out the many sins of Jersey City politicians and their "wink and a nod" relationship with developers. Yes, technically it's legal to give money to a councilperson in Jersey City to curry favor on a development project. My Grandpa's generation called it a pay-off. We call it "pay to play". Ethically it's disgusting and an embarrassment to any citizen of Jersey City. Yes, it lines Healy's and, obviously, your pockets so it's okay in your world. If you need a timeline of the corruption get a list of contributers to Healy, Schundler and any member of the city council. With Levin in office those days will be over. No more sweet-heart deals for people who don't need them and more money going to the city, the education budget and the people who have lived here alot longer than unscrupulous developers. Levin 09'.

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Everybody's talking about Fulop, Manzo, Catrillo, Levin, Gaughan, Brennan, Levin, Richardson, Healy, Lipski, Bertoli: All we are saaayiiiing is give peace a chance.

Sorry, that illusion for the Jersey City municipal election campaign season is long gone.

There has already been quite a bit of behind the scenes name calling and it finally broke out Friday, when mayoral candidate Louis Manzo, a former assemblyman, said that Downtown Councilman Steven Fulop is a phony. Manzo said the councilman, his right-hand man Tom Bertoli and Grateful Dead-loving Journal Square Councilman Steve Lipski have been badmouthing him to campaign contributors and others.

The former assemblyman charged the attacks are part of a deal Fulop has with incumbent Mayor Jerramiah Healy in which Healy has put up a Ward E candidate (Guy Catrillo) against Fulop with little support from the Jersey City Democratic Organization.

Fulop was unavailable for comment Friday, but he spoke to me about what he thought of Manzo's charges on Monday.

"Lou is mentally unstable," said Fulop. OK.

"He is always paranoid and sees conspiracies everywhere. He should stop wearing a 'tin' hat," the councilman continued.

I think Fulop meant aluminum cap - the kind used to ward off government or extraterrestrial radiowaves.

The councilman also charged that on Saturday, after the accusations, Manzo had begged him to run on his slate against Healy. Fulop said he turned him down.

"This is why they call him Loony Louie," said the councilman.

Manzo's camp sees the Saturday meeting differently.

"The meeting was actually called by Fulop with a request that Lou not run anyone in his ward - that it would cause a problem and may force a runoff in his (Downtown) ward," said Ivan Sutherland, a Manzo campaign spokesman.

"It was Fulop who got upset and said he will say things to destroy Lou," said Sutherland. "We're not getting involved in any schoolyard behavior, name calling. If it's not a debate on what is better for the City of Jersey City, we will not get involved."

Naturally, we could go back and forth on this for a week, but it should be noted that this form of political hand-to-hand combat provides only the surface of hidden, intricate layers of predetermined campaign plans.

Or they just wing it.

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"Really? As someone who constantly posts inside information about new developments you should know better."

You still didn't answer my question - why don't you list the allegedly "corrupt developers" and explain their sins?

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What evidence do you have that developers building in Jersey City are "corrupt"?

Exactly. Developers trying to get the best deals/make the most money they can legally are always labeled "corrupt". There is a huge difference between "corrupt" and "enterprising". On this board it seems that anyone making some good money is the former.


Pay to Play much? Buy any "friends" lately?

From a City Belt article:

While Fulop, Levin, Taylor, and their supporters are looking to end political corruption in Jersey City, many working within Jersey City government see nothing wrong with Pay-to-Play politics.

?The money that I give to fundraising organizations comes from developer contributions,? said Councilmember Michael Sottolano (Ward A) at the January 24th Council meeting. Councilmember Mary Spinello (Ward B) added: ?Money given by developers goes to the community.?

These councilmembers don?t think that they are doing anything wrong, and some believe that prohibiting developers from contributing is actually unconstitutional. Yet the ordinance would only ban developers from contributing when they are in ?direct negotiations with the city,? according to Fulop. Still, most Jersey City politicians feel it's perfectly normal to take money from developers -- and think that they aren?t even slighty influenced by those contributions.

Since Jersey City is one of the fastest growing cities in New Jersey, it doesn?t seem as if the argument for or against Redevelopment Pay-to-Play Campaign Reform will end at the Council meetings. Even though the ordinance was not passed, the citizens of Jersey City do not seem to be giving up the fight.

?This was a positive first step and it?s going to be hard to get them to think differently but I think the people of Jersey City are willing to try,? said Levin. Civic JC is now working to get the ordinance on the ballot, and is collecting the 10,000 signatures needed to make that happen.

As Taylor noted, ?It?s really up to the citizens to decide what the best future is for Jersey City.?

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What evidence do you have that developers building in Jersey City are "corrupt"?

Exactly. Developers trying to get the best deals/make the most money they can legally are always labeled "corrupt". There is a huge difference between "corrupt" and "enterprising". On this board it seems that anyone making some good money is the former.

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Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that we won't see any threads entitled "A response to Mayoral Candidate Jerramiah Healy" from the Fulop campaign manager, let alone from the Councilman?

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ENOUGH!!!!

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Really? As someone who constantly posts inside information about new developments you should know better. BTW? How much more Greenspace do you want to exploit?

Feel the ground trembling? That's Jersey City voters SHAKING IT UP! Levin 09'.

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