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Re: The impact of JCLIST?
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I know nobody who lives in Brooklyn (and I know a lot of Brooklynites) who actively roots against more struggling areas of Brooklyn the way some people on here do about areas outside of Downtown Jersey City, NJ.

Posted on: 2009/12/23 16:01
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Re: Corzine signs law limiting handgun purchases - Represents a victory for Jersey City Mayor Jerram
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Agreed. So what exactly was YOUR point?


An attempt to show, that you can't say that a country with strong gun laws, or gun bans, will automatically have lower crime rates.

But you laid it out clearly. How there is no universal way of recording crime.


You can, however, say that a country with strong gun laws, or gun bans, will have astronomically lower murder rates, and astronomically lower gun murder rates, as T-Bird cited.

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927 murders in a nation of 60,769,000 (2007 population). 14 of those were with firearms.

In 2007, the U.S. had 16,204 murders among a population of 308,169,000. Of those murders, 9,369 were with firearms. The U.S. ranked fourth overall in murder with firearms, trailing South Africa, Colombia and Thailand in absolute number of murders by firearms. Only eight countries worldwide recorded 1,000 murders by firearms.


What's interesting to me about these numbers is that the population of the UK is roughly 1/5 that of the US. Yet the non-firearm murder count for the US is roughly 7x the UK murder rate. So even without factoring in the 9,369 firearms murders in the US, our non-firearms murder rate is still disproportionately higher than the UK's entire murder rate.

Overall, the US had 18x as many murders as the UK, depsite having only 5x the population. Wow.

Posted on: 2009/12/17 22:38
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Re: Corzine signs law limiting handgun purchases - Represents a victory for Jersey City Mayor Jerram
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Please explain this;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newst ... me-capital-of-Europe.html


The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is often problematic due to the way different countries classify crime. Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison.

For example, the UK classifies violent crime as all violence against the person, sexual offenses, and robbery whereas the US counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault.

So your point is moot.


I think I now get the point you're trying to make - but on first read it came across as if you are arguing the other side of the issue.

Also, it's useless to extrapolate these statistics to the debate about gun control without also inquiring how long the UK's gun control laws have been in effect.

And using 'violent crime' as a catch all in the context of gun violence in the US is akin to comparing bite frequency of chihuahas to the mortality rate of pit bull attacks.

Posted on: 2009/12/17 22:23
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Re: Advocates want to Connect/Incorporate the PATH with 4 or 6 train
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PH: What you described is a difference of two inches difference in lenght between the new path and the IRT trains. If that's the issue, the slightly smaller IRT can run through the entire system if the PATH proved too big for the IRT tracks. It's a great issue that needs attention, but i believe it's easily comes to an simple remedy compared to bigger issue: construction, cooperation between MTA/PATH, etc.


I simply can't bear to wade through all the lengthy posts, but I have a question. Would these 4/6 trains run all the way from the Bronx to Newark? And if so, given that there's only one PATH tunnel in each direction on that line, wouldn't that lessen the frequency trains could run?

NYers transfer subway trains. I don't see why it's such a big deal to transfer, and think the 'symbolic' union of a subway line with a PATH line is a lot of work for little reward.

Unless you work on the Upper East Side or Midtown East.

Hey ThirdGrove, where do you work?

Posted on: 2009/12/11 1:47
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Re: I need a reliable and good landscaper/mason
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Hufnagel Landscaping.
A bit pricey but very professional.
You get what you pay for.


And if you contract them now, they might get around to it sometime in 2013.

Their work is beautiful, but it's very pricey, and they will take forever to get to your job. If you can wait, and pay, definitely check them out.

Posted on: 2009/12/10 18:50
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Re: Bruce Springsteen Supports Gay Marriage! Go New Jersey!!!
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Sen. Nicholas Sacco is planning to vote against marriage equality on Thursday. Sen. Sacco's legislative district encompasses part of Hudson County. Tell Sen. Sacco how you feel about his vote, by e-mail at SenSacco@njleg.org or by telephone at (201) 295-0200 (which has been busy all day long).

Also, his number at the Mayor's Office in North Bergen is 201-392-2005. If his Senate office number remains off the hook.


http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ntys_senators_are_sp.html

Hudson County's senators are split on same-sex marriage legislation
By The Jersey Journal
December 09, 2009, 9:35AM

Hudson County Sens. Brian Stack, D-Union City, and Sandra B. Cunningham, D-Jersey City plan to vote for the "Freedom of Religon and Equality in Civil Marriage Act," while Sen. Nicholas Sacco, D-North Bergen, plans to vote against the bill.

Sacco voted for the civil union legislation and as mayor of North Bergen performs civil unions.

"He met with Garden State Equality this fall and understands that this is a very difficult issue, but ultimately as a matter of conscience, he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, so he will be voting 'no,'" a spokesman said.

Stack is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which in a 7-6 vote on Monday released the bill, clearing the way for tomorrow's vote.

Cunningham could not be reached for comment yesterday, but she is one of the bill's co-sponsors.

Advocates of the bill are pushing to have the legislation adopted before Gov. Jon S. Corzine, a supporter, leaves office. Governor-elect Chris Christie has threatened to veto the legislation if it's passed under his watch.

Christie has launched an ad stating that there are much more important things to worry about in New Jersey than same-sex marriage.

? 2009 New Jersey On-Line LLC. All Rights Reserved

Posted on: 2009/12/9 19:35
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Re: New Jersey Nears Vote on Letting Gays Marry
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It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not. I am telling you a fact. The Archdiocese of NY is 1011 First Street. Perhaps they will share this data.I believe the year was 1989, I am not sure. However, there was an increase of students. Research the facts. By the way, the majority of the teachers had Masters degrees and our students passed the NY State standards with high numbers higher than the public schools.
Why do you think Vermont reversed its gay law? They were afraid of what was happening in the state of Mass. Some parents tried to remove their children from classes which taught an alternative lifestyle but they couldn't. It gave parents in Vermont a motive to reverse.


Characterizing the parents who took their children out of NYC public schools as "liberal" for purely shock value isn't a "fact" Yvonne.

Nor is your completely bogus assertion about the motivations behind events that actually didn't happen in Vermont.

Posted on: 2009/12/8 2:16
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Re: New Jersey Nears Vote on Letting Gays Marry
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The state should be confined to issuing civil union certificates for all couples, and then letting the churches perform marriages if they want to. So one could have a Catholic marriage or a [monogamous] Muslim wedding


That position is the subject of considerable legal academic work, and has a fair share of support in the legal community. I doubt it will ever gain popular support, as that option, while probably the most legally sound position, actually does take something away from "married" opposite-sex couples who otherwise are not impacted one way or another by whether same-sex couples are married or civilly united or domestically partnered.

Telling the majority of people that the state no longer considers them "married" would be a pretty unpopular thing to do.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 21:23
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Re: New Jersey Nears Vote on Letting Gays Marry
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I don?t think government should be involved in marriage at all. That should be between consenting adults and a religious institution, if applicable. Legal partnerships can be formed through a lawyer, if necessary. There?s really no reason to get the state involved at all, but they love to stick their noses where they don?t belong ? in this case, gay marriage.


I agree that the State shouldn't be involved in the marriage business. As do a number of legal scholars. But it is. And it's going to be for a long, long time. And so long as the State is in this business, people will fight for this business to treat equally all people who wish to receive the benefits and accept the responsibilities of civil marriage. Regardless of their race, creed, sexual orientation, intention to have or not have children, etc.

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That being said, I wish those who lobbied for gay rights also did the same for economic rights.


Ah, the whole "let's minimize the efforts of groups who fight for a specific cause by smugly suggesting they're hypocrites or petty" tack. *yawn*

Posted on: 2009/12/7 19:32
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Re: New Jersey Nears Vote on Letting Gays Marry
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excuse me, what i really meant was be the next state to take further action to extend equality, as in be the next state to make positive change, not add to the list of setbacks.



On that we can agree. I just think it actually is important to recognize that we aren't starting from square one in NJ, that we have come a very long way in a very short time, that same-sex couples and families are protected in NJ, and that our Courts and Legislators have done some things already which we should be proud of. It's not perfect at present, nor will it be perfect after marriage equality passes, given the difficulties in cross-state issues (employment, travel, health care policies) and lack of federal recognition.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 17:53
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Re: New Jersey Nears Vote on Letting Gays Marry
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i'd like to see NJ pass this, as it concerns me directly, however after some setbacks, i'm a little nervous about its chances.

but, DC and Washington state have recently passed equality laws. so maybe we can follow.

we'll see.


To actually put it correctly, we would not be "following" Washington State, as it was they who followed NJ. New Jersey's Civil Unions law was passed and went into effect in 2007, which confers all rights and responsibilities of civil marriage to same sex partners entering into civil unions. It is essentially everything-but-marriage, as is the law that recently passed and was affirmed by referendum in Washington State, which elected to call same-sex relationships "domestic partnerships" instead of civil unions.

I would like to see marriage equality pass in NJ, and I agree with the arguments that separate-but-equal policies do not confer equal rights. But suggesting that NJ is somehow behind Washington State or DC is inaccurate, and does a disservice to the NJ Supreme Court and State Legislators who pushed this state further and sooner than those two places. Neither the DC law nor the Washington State laws are full marriage equality, nor are they in any way "superior" to the status quo in NJ.

Knowledge is power.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 16:54
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Re: Bergen Lafayette Neighborhood rallies against proposed after-school community center on Pine Street
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The Pine Street site is a double lot that Walker said is zoned for commercial use, and currently occupied by a boarded-up house that would be torn down.


So, Walker is stating that the lot is presently zoned for commercial use. Poindexter and other opponents of the facility have stated in this thread that it is zoned for residential use only.

Who is right? I can't imagine it is that difficult to get an answer one way or another.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 14:58
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Re: Woman, 70, in 'life-threatening but stable' condition after being mauled by pit bulls
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You can ad the elderly, mentally challenged, and terminally ill to that list too.

This wouldn't be the first time this was done. During the time period between 1933-1945 the European country of Germany under Chancellor Adolph Hitler created a decree that all useless human beings be terminated.


Those were the good old days for you, right heights?

Posted on: 2009/12/6 7:00
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Re: Jersey City switching to flashing traffic lights to cut pollution, speed traffic
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I bet the buses and vans will really speed now!


As opposed to rapidly accelerating to make/run red lights, which exudes oodles of safety.

Posted on: 2009/12/3 4:38
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Re: New Planters on Newark
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I do not understand why they didn't time the placing of the planters better with the timing of when they would actually fill them up with plants. It is stupid to have those things sitting empty. It is Jersey City. Of course people are going to fill them up with garbage.

I asked the painters if they were going to fix the Grove Street clock and they laughed and said "yes." Although based on the way they looked at me, I am not sure if they understood English.


Why would a painter be fixing a clock?

Posted on: 2009/12/2 5:53
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Re: Bergen Lafayette Neighborhood rallies against proposed after-school community center on Pine Street
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As part of the community, I very much support programs to benifit our children. My question is how much of the $822,000 (stated in today's Jersey Journal) is going toward the children? If the money is being used to buy the property, tear it down and build new, it doesn't seem like there is any money for the children. Also, this is only for a select 15 children, which was stated by Mr. Walker in several community meetings, and not for all the children of our community. It was also mentioned these children are already in an after school program at 22 school. With $822,000 we would be able to send at least 400 students from the community to schools like ST. Peter's Prep and St. Dominics for the entire 4 yrs or even to college. $822,000 just for a bldg, I don't see how that benifts our children!


Prone to exaggeration much?

Basic math:

$822,000

divided by

400

= $2,055

which, divided by 4 (years of private high school)

= $513.75

which is apparently what you think the annual tuition at St. Peter's Prep or St. Dom's is.

Which makes me LOL.

As to the "substance" of your argument, such as it were - you sound like you're arguing against basic infrastructure. Which, by your logic, means that charities or not-for-profits should not actually have a physical building/home, because, well, THAT money should go to the [insert charitable cause here], not to some silly building in which to operate that charity.

Forest/trees fail.

NIMBY win, though.

Posted on: 2009/12/2 5:50
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Re: You know you're a JC old-timer if you remember...
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Then you are not the old timer you claim to be, that store was a Food Fare till well into the 60s.


You're correct about me not being that much of an old timer (considering I was born in JC in the late '70's). You claimed the supermarket wasn't a Food Town, and that saying it was a Food Town was wrong. In that, you're incorrect, as it was a Food Town for years, up and until it was torn down to make way for the athletic center that's there now.

That it may have also been something called Food Fair until the 1960's doesn't change the fact that it was also, for at least a decade, a Food Town.

Congrats on being old, though.

Posted on: 2009/11/30 17:26
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Re: You know you're a JC old-timer if you remember...
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Close but no cigar. It was Food Fair.


Nope. I have never in my life shopped in a place called "Food Fair." I have, on hundreds of occasions, been dragged as a child by my mother to the Food Town on West Side Avenue by the Miss America Diner and Jersey City State.

Nice try, though.

Posted on: 2009/11/30 16:20
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Re: You know you're a JC old-timer if you remember...
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What was the name of the supermarket that used to be right next to miss america diner?? If memory serves me correct there was an A&P there or something.


It was a Food Town.

Posted on: 2009/11/30 5:59
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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Pooper:

I understand your apprehensions, and I share in your disdain for the attitude some park-adjacent posters here. Some think they have more of a say because they own property along side the park, and that they are entitled to the park in a way others aren't.

That said, I can't imagine any model of a conservancy program that would turn away donations from any interested party. While those with more of a stake in the neighborhood (and whose property values and businesses are more directly tied to the health and maintenance of the park) would be the most likely to contribute to the conservancy, I don't think that would stop you, me, or anybody else who wants to see Hamilton Park maintained and thriving from making contributions or donations.

If you really care, and you really want a say, (as opposed to not wanting others to), you have to put in the leg work and put your time/energy/money where your mouth is.

I am not 100& familiar with how a conservancy would be governed, but I thought the point of it is to put the decision making into the hands of neutral, professional custodians who would be tasked with maintaining the park as designed and executed, instead of playing referee when schoolyard bullies disguised as martyrs come a-calling with their trowels and their mulch and their complexes.

Posted on: 2009/11/24 19:49
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Re: Greenville/Westside: House Party, women brawling, wallet gone and man stabbed in shoulder
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Yes, because if Healy wasn't Mayor, there wouldn't be fights between drunk people at parties. Riiight.

Posted on: 2009/11/23 19:12
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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Minnie:

In no small part, I'm sure, to avoid the petty fiefdom squabbles which you elevated to an artform.

Nice try, though. Nobody beats a drum against an enemy that doesn't exist quite like you do.



Do you think that wanting sprinklers to keep the parks grass green is petty? Were you at the spring 2007 meeting when the plans called for no irrigation? I suppose I was being petty when I brought the subject up.


Yes, I was at the meeting, where you tried to filibuster the entire process, and your neighbors called for you to sit down. And you were being petty, because a conceptual drawing of a renovated park would not visually demonstrate an irrigation system or a sprinkler system. You tried to make it an issue, the designers of the park addressed it, and you continued to act like they were pulling a fast one. And now, you try to take credit, as if, without your tantrum, a redesigned park would not include irrigation and sprinkler systems? Bananas.

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Do you think that bringing attention to the 100 year old trees that were rumored to be cut down from the park was being petty? I wonder how many more trees may have been downed if I hadn?t run that article in the newspaper.


LOL. Rumors. You single-handedly saved the trees that were rumored to be cut down. Once again, you create an imaginary enemy, so that you can look like you defeated it. Classic.

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Was I being petty when I pushed for a fountain to resemble the parks historic fountain from the old postcard of the park? The park is, afterall, in the historic district.


Considering how happy most people seem to be with the actual fountain that's been installed? You can take all the credit you want for that.

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Should I have cancelled the 2005/2006 farmers market back when there was none because HPNA reps were calling the Councilman asking him to shut it down?


You're right, I was way off base when I accused you of being obsessed with petty squabbles about fiefdoms.

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I don?t know who you are? or perhaps I do, but your writing on this thread seems very bitter whenever someone has a concern about the park, the renovation, or a complaint of any kind. They all have legitimate concerns!


Bitter? LOL. Project much?

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Of course the park is going to look better. They?re spending millions and the contractor, Green Construction is working diligently to finish the job. But not everyone here on this board was involved in the process or understands how politics works? and yet, some of us do.


So, does this mean you're resurrecting the FoHP? The martyr complex you're exhibiting in the revisionist history lesson you just gave us suggests you're going to come back guns blazing to try to impose yourself on the park and the community.

Which is, of course, the stuff that animated MJ/Madonna popcorn gif's are made of.

Posted on: 2009/11/23 2:26
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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Minnie:

Nobody, HPNA or otherwise, has said in this thread that they oppose gardens in Hamilton Park. I believe what Sam stated was that he and other members of the community, as well as the City, opposed community-run gardens in public parks. In no small part, I'm sure, to avoid the petty fiefdom squabbles which you elevated to an artform.

Nice try, though. Nobody beats a drum against an enemy that doesn't exist quite like you do.


Posted on: 2009/11/20 22:28
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Re: Owners will pay 24 percent jump in JCMUA water/sewer bills.
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Raising rates??? are you kidding me??? Has anyone checked out the the truth about our Jersey City water? We are bathing in filth and poison and now they want to charge us more???? After watching Dr. Oz echo what the NY Times told us about the water (front page of September 13, 2009 edition of the Sunday paper). The truth is that municipalities are allowed to dump toxins in our water, the pipes are old and that ALL pipes have lead....yes I said lead. We can get cable into every home but we cannot get clean water. Don't take my word for it ....http://projects.nytimes.com/toxic-wat ... olluters/new-jersey/07305.

I found the interactive site very informative. I searched all Hudson County Zip Codes and I was disgusted!

My brother is a plumber and at his urging I stopped showering with this horrible water, I stopped bathing my kids in this water and I stopped cooking in this water. They did a water test on my water and I was stunned to find out what was in my water!

I bought the best, and I mean the best water filtration system that was surprisingly affordable and has a lifetime warranty...not limited warranty.... a life time warranty. It is the only system that is certifed to remove (not reduce like my Brita system) all toxins especially the lead and chlorine that is in all jersey city water.

There is no way I was going to pay for this nasty water, and then buy bottled water now I save my money...

Feel free to email me for details about saving money and filtering your water... ggibson247@gmail.com


Great, now our water has SPAM in it.

Posted on: 2009/11/20 1:30
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Re: Father of boy who accused Michael Jackson of molestation found dead in Jersey City home
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I guess the combination of the son's not wanting to share the settlement money and the ignominy of having to move to Jersey City that done him in. Maybe he saw a bedbug?


He didn't live in a Newport tower, so the chances of him having seen a bedbug are greatly reduced.

Posted on: 2009/11/19 16:15
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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So, even though the plans called for maintaining the gazebo garden, and the majority of the community voted their approval, according to your inquiry, the City, on its own volition, decided to to rip out the plantings, on the clearly idiotic pretense that the garden was dead. And you are clearly OK with this. Got it. Like I said, thanks for the fish.


Um, what part of SamS's post "clearly" indicated that he or the HPNA (or whomever you are lashing out at, it's tough to keep track) is "OK" with either what was done, or the City's explanation for it?

Aside from getting in their time machine, exactly what should the HPNA be doing about this situation that they haven't/aren't?

Again, no insensitivity toward the memorial garden intended, but sometimes plants die, whether accidentally or not, and they will get replaced with other plants. It's sad, but if this is your smoking gun for why the park renovation is a disaster and why the HPNA is a fascistic bunch of brown-nosing developer appeasers, well, your case needs a lot of work.

(Oh, and I love watching "i'm not going to comment any more" fails in action. Thanks for that.)

Posted on: 2009/11/19 4:42
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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...* Lawns designated as dog free so I don't have to sit in their stinking piss.

Is it confirmed that there definitely won?t be any pet-free lawns?... Do you know something I don?t?...

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Let it never be said that narcissism isn't alive and well. Shocking as it may be, this is not all about any one person or one interest group, and plenty of people will not be getting their own personal park....

My? how touchy everyone is to a legitimate subjective question based on opinion? As always, NON, the character assassination masked as a reply is very entertaining!


If the me-and-my-dogs-are-the-center-of-the-universe shoe fits...


Posted on: 2009/11/18 19:10
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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Let it never be said that narcissism isn't alive and well. Shocking as it may be, this is not all about any one person or one interest group, and plenty of people will not be getting their own personal park.

I recall SamS wanting a bocce ball court. Others advocated for a putting green. Much discussion went into making one if not both tennis courts into a multi-use court. Vigilante and that other guy nattered on incessantly about how the basketball court is the root of all evil, crime, and litter, and should be removed. And Vig probably would love to see a memorial statue to the fabled decapitated dachshund (R.I.P.). 2DogDoll articulated her horror at the destruction of the gardens around the gazebo. Plenty of people who don't give a sh!t about dogs will probably feel the space devoted to the dog runs is wasted space.

Welcome to the City.

Posted on: 2009/11/18 17:15
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Update
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1. Take it easy with that ?facepalm? thing lest you knock yourself out. I never said that you don?t need political influence to get things done, I simply said that I have none and I have no intention of doing what needs to be done to get any.

I have to confess that I did get a birthday card, two months early, from Mr. Fulop, but, let me assure you, I didn?t take it as a mark of personal political influence.

2. I was not involved with Minni?s project. But, in her defense, she did more to try to beautify the park with her Friends of Hamilton Park group in the few short months of its existence than the HPNA did in years.

This my last post on the subject, although I will continue to read. Do your worst.


I think you're confusing the Friends of Hamilton Park, which existed for at least a couple of years, with the "Waterfront Gardening Association" or whatever faction splinter group Minnie formed in Newport when her mutual-misfit-love affair with Sonia Maldonado ended, and which lasted a couple of months. I remember the FoHP planting flowers, but I also remember them installing really ugly fencing around those plantings, and i distinctly remember those plantings not being watered and the plants dying out, on at least a few occasions. Ugly fencing + dead plants = awesomeness.

I dig your theory, though, that because plants were removed from a specific area around the gazebo, there is absolutely no possibility that there will be new plants to replace the old ones. I don't mean to discount the sentimental value of a garden planted in somebody's memory (i honestly don't), but just because those flowers are gone now, in mid-construction, does not mean that they will not be replaced with something, potentially something beautiful.

You talk a lot about gamesmnship, and you're psyched to throw down absolutes about value judgments over aesthetics in order to score public points, but I think the larger issue is that the project isn't finished, and until it is, we won't know what exactly to complain about.

On that note, I'm sure there will be plenty to complain about when it's done, and since you're determined to find things to complain about, why not hold off until the time is right and really lay a number on 'em, instead of running the risk of being proven wrong? Or is the trigger finger just too darned itchy?

On a completely different (but ironic) topic, isn't the fountain everybody here is whining about supposed to be an approximation of some historic fountain that Minnie found a picture of, and insisted on being incorporated into the project?

Posted on: 2009/11/17 19:48
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Re: 213 Newark Avenue Named "The Saffron"
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o73o2 wrote:
just by judging the the information on zillow and trulia about the monstrosity, they do not list any sales with that particular address combination. there might be some people renting there ... when i was looking at that place, the whole place gave the impression of a flip gone cold ... the building quality was clearly subpar.


Even from the outside you can tell what a cheap job that place is - WTF is up with the placement of windows (and how tiny they are) at that place?

Posted on: 2009/11/17 1:28
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