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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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Your comments are absurd and unfounded. The vast majority of complaints are well grounded and from individual home owners. Pointing out Warren Curtin is your thinly veiled attempt to distract attention from the problems in both the adminstration and the pathetic Historic Perservation committe which is made up of a bunch of unqualified facists.

There are many new homeowners in the neighborhood who are young and wealthy and who I anticipate start usurping authority from the current regime.

We need a changes that make the neighborhood friendly and enjoyable.

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Gay bashing ? Let's try the existing Jewish Community in downtown Jersey City, where Wreiden has developed a reputation for himself. It is quite clear, he does not like Jews, has said so many times, and in many ways. He is known in the Jewish community, as well as it's institutions
an issue ... got it going ..complying with the law and he doesn't come to this issue with clean hands.

Balls? Yes? Brains? No!

He is a willing pawn of real estate developers who have made this a cause because they don't like the concept of historic preservation applied to them.

He has let the original issues and problems become totally lost in a sea of Gay Bashing, which he weakly denies, but has continued to condone an encourage.

It is a witch hunt by a self appointed group of Nazi Storm Troopers... no different than if he was calling for the extermination of Jews or Blacks or Gypsies...

... It is an abomination and nothing to admire...

No matter what Dan may have done... Warren and the others in this thread deserve to have their asses hauled into court and sued for defamation.
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Posted on: 2004/10/29 21:21
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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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Are you actually attempting to apply this ancient doctrince of "commons" to the Jersey City historic ordinance? I hope not, but its totally inapplicable at a variety of levels. For one this is not an agricultural society. More over, commons pertains to land that had usefulness. The color of one's home or style of their windows in no way would fall under this doctrine.

Your explanation is a good example of how a little knowledge could be a dangerous thing. Quote:

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A "commons" is any resource used as though it belongs to all. In other words, when anyone can use a shared resource simply because one wants or needs to use it, then one is using a commons. For example, all land is part of our commons because it is a component of our life support and social systems.

A commons is destroyed by uncontrolled use?neither intent of the user, nor ownership are important. An example of uncontrolled use is when one can use land (part of our commons) any way one wants.

Tragedy of the Commons

Visualize a pasture as a system that is open to everyone. The carrying capacity of this pasture is 10 animals. Ten herdsmen are each grazing an animal to fatten up for market. In other words, the 10 animals are now consuming all the grass that the pasture can produce.

Harry (one of the herdsmen) will add one more animal to the pasture if he can make a profit. He subtracts the original cost of the new animal from the expected sales price of the fattened animal and then considers the cost of the food. Adding one more animal will mean less food for each of the present animals, but since Harry only has only 1/10 of the herd, he has to pay only 1/10 of the cost. Harry decides to exploit the commons and the other herdsmen, so he adds an animal and takes a profit.

Shrinking profit margins force the other herdsmen either to go out of business or continue the exploitation by adding more animals. This process of mutual exploitation continues until overgrazing and erosion destroy the pasture system, and all the herdsmen are driven out of business.

Most importantly, this illustrates the critical flaw of freedom in the commons: all participants must agree to conserve the commons, but any one can force the destruction of the commons. Although the example describes exploitation by humans in an unregulated public pasture, this commons and "grass" principle fit our entire society, and Jersey City?s historic districts.

Private property is inextricably part of our commons because it affects our quality of life and the collective property values of all. Owners alter the properties of our quality of life and collective property values when they alter their land to "make a profit"?installing the least costly exterior rather than the historically appropriate.

Posted on: 2004/10/24 0:02
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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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believe me...when you have been with a partner as long as Dan has....you own the house...whether on paper or not.
Do married couples only own 1/2 of a private residence..check the law.


No you do not understand the law. If the house was acquired before the marriage then the non purchasing spouse does not share an ownership interest. I should know I am a divorce attorney.

Posted on: 2004/10/15 19:43
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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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Slander is something that isn't true...all of the comments above, made about Warren Curtin are true and can be proved in a court of law... it is not against the law to tell the truth. Most of the comments, however, about Dan Wrieden are not true and are slanderous.
Warren Curtin is a gay man, who is alone and cannot find a partner and has been alone for years. He is jealous, spiteful and mean spirited. He should pay more attention to himself and his failings as a human being, rather than going around attacking others, under the cover of historic preservation. Let him take his internal anger out in a gym or some other positive activity, and stop being a spoiled brat who didn't get his way.


You're just an awful person who is frustrated by the fact that Mr. Curtin is working for some change that people could live with. Your comments are childish and mean spirited. You know nothing about what goes before a court nor an evidentiary proceeding.

What has Mr. Curtin done that is so mean spirited? He owns two homes in downtown Jersey City, which are very well maintained.

On the other hand there are some crazy people who live downtown who call the police when someone trims a tree for the saftey of their families.

Posted on: 2004/10/15 3:14
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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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believe me...when you have been with a partner as long as Dan has....you own the house...whether on paper or not.
Do married couples only own 1/2 of a private residence..check the law.


Actually you are totally incorrect. It depends on when the house was acquired and from where the resources to acquire the house came. If one's spouse owned a home prior to a marriage, the house will never be subject to equitable distribution. Also, if someone had money from before their marriage to purchase a house cash and they do so, that house is also not subject to equitable distribution. So you are wrong.

Posted on: 2004/10/15 3:11
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Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
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Maybe you should examine the center of this whirl wind, Warren Curtin. Warren is a neurotic that has undergone therapy for many years and is taking drugs to calm his nerves and hyper active behavior. Warren is hated in the real estate industry for his mean and nasty behavior and many will not even do business with him. Why people are following this contorted individual much less believing what he says is a mystery. Why don't you put the hate, where the hate belongs on Warren Curtin.


For one, there are a lot fo people who take medications for nerves or hyperactive behavior. So what? The pharmaseutical industry has run such a campaign that its now probably fashionable as a result. Still its a personal issue which you should not touch.

Secondly, your slanderous comments are actionable and mostly untrue. Warren Curtin is not alone on this. He submitted testiments from a many neighbors whose experiences were abominable. More people shared their bad experiences during the last HPNA meeting. Merely because he is enthusiastic does not warrent the sort of nasty and vicous comments you have made.

There needs to be dramatic adjustments to the enforcement and application of the historic ordinance. The arbitrary applications go as far back as Clair Davis. But there are currently too many rules that a lot of folks really can't afford. $20,000 for railings is a bit much as are some of the window requirements.

Similarly people should refrain from making hateful comments about Wreidan. He is also enthusiastic about his role, yet he makes little money doing it. Still he has been incorrect about some stuff. In one instance he advised a neighbor his curb had to be blue stone, when the rules as they are written clearly provide otherwise. This only suggests Dan could use some more guidance and mentoring.

Warren brought this issue to the forefront, while others did nothing more than just sit around whinning and complaining about this. The constitution protects and encourages his actions.

Posted on: 2004/10/14 22:39
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