Bike_Lane wrote:
YDespite the showing tonight I can't help but feel the message of the people fell on deaf ears. The body language (and words) of several members of council seem to indicate such.

CapnJon wrote:
don't know where you live Gibbons, but in the last few years, my neighborhood DID get it's streets paved (and new handicap-accessible curbs)....

thanks Gaughan!

ianmac47 wrote:
I rather taxes increase and in return receive the necessary services that we expect provided by the city.

DickCheney wrote:
Looks like the Rally has hit one of the bigger time blogs:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/92488/

T-Bird wrote:
And that right bestows an ability to play god in a way that a knife, baseball bat, knitting needle, axe, etc. do not.

elvis wrote:
Agreed. So what exactly was YOUR point?

elvis wrote:
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Please explain this;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newst ... me-capital-of-Europe.html

The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is often problematic due to the way different countries classify crime. Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison.

For example, the UK classifies violent crime as all violence against the person, sexual offenses, and robbery whereas the US counts five categories of crime as violent crimes: murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault.

So your point is moot.

CommanderKeen wrote:
This is the only argument I ever hear from pro-gun people. "Why take guns away from law-abiding people? Only criminals will have guns!"

It's not a very strong argument. Especially since you're ignoring evidence that countries with stronger gun laws (or no guns) have less crime. Sure, the only people with guns might be criminals (or law enforcement/military). But there will be a lot less guns for criminals, reducing crime, reducing the need for you to have a gun.

Criminals with guns aren't making them in their basements. They're coming from gun factories that are producing them legally.

T-Bird wrote:
Why not the same gun laws for Montana and NYC? They are subject to the same tax code, even though the cost of living is much higher in NYC than in Montana. There are all sorts of regional advantages and disadvantages to living anywhere. Why should guns be different?

while I don't have a gun because I have a child and I'm not trained, I certainly don't begrudge anyone who lawfully does.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/1 ... rlyshow/main5949873.shtml

In terms of efficacy of this initiative, I'd be interested in seeing which portion of illegal guns in JC come from law abiding citizens selling to folks who shouldn't have them versus being completely black market...

CommanderKeen wrote:
did...did you read my post at all? Performing thorough background checks instead of instant checks (or not performing them at all) would be a step in the right direction.

Do you really think that only obtaining one handgun per month is really a good enough deterrent? What does it matter how many guns a criminal or unstable person can get each month. He's still getting them. Thorough background checks are a more reliable tool for keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

CommanderKeen wrote:

A one-gun a month law isn't really enough.

ianmac47 wrote:
Keeping guns out of the hands of people like you makes us all safer.

CommanderKeen wrote:
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susiederkins wrote:
Reading the headlines posted by GrovePath this morning made me realize that it's a good thing that NJ has such strict gun laws! Keeping guns out of the hands of the law-abiding while gangbangers are running around shooting people and robbing gas stations sure makes me feel safe!

I always hear this argument from pro-gun people and there's really no basis behind it. There's no logic to it.

Anyway, as much as I approve of tighter gun control laws, it doesn't really mean shit because as long as Virginia, Georgia, Texas, and other states have guns freely available to anybody that wants them, criminal elements will just head to those states. Most of the gun crime in northern and pacific states is linked back to southern states with extremely lax gun laws.