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Re: Boggiano 2017 Signs
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His vision is to improve quality of life and get the basics right - paved streets, filled potholes, synced traffic lights, traffic enforcement, cleaned up litter, having mailboxes actually available throughout the city, etc.


On what are his policies on things newer residents demand such as bike lanes, more restaurants and businesses and increased access to public transit?

Posted on: 2016/6/28 15:19
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Re: Boggiano 2017 Signs
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This is one of Rich Boggiano's sons responding on behalf of my father from his account. I'll be up front and lay out what you get, and don't get, with him as a politician.

What you get:
1. Integrity. He'll tell you what he actually believes, and he has never used any of his influence to benefit himself. He'll never get arrested in an FBI sting operation because he's happy to drive a beat up old car, live in the same house he's lived in for decades, and isn't selling his soul to get elected to the next higher office.
2. Accessibility. People call him all the time with actual problems, and he gets them fixed. He's been doing this my entire life, long before he was elected, and I don't expect he'll ever stop. His cell phone number is 988-1164. Give him a call next time you have a problem and he'll help you. He helps people from every ward after their council members don't respond to them. Decades of helping individual people is reason he was elected after being outspent by Mayor Fulop 10 to 1.
3. Focus on quality of life. He cares about trash, potholes, traffic enforcement, etc.
4. No higher ambition. I have no idea what office, if any, he'll run for in 2017. He only cares about Jersey City and has zero aspirations for any higher office. Steve Fulop is really sharp, but he's been running for governor for the past 3 years, which has some obvious downsides.
5. Hard work. Technically, being on the city council is a part time job. He is the only councilperson in the city who shows up to City Hall everyday. When he's not there, he's working anyway.
6. Service. He's lived a life of service. He enlisted in the Marines at 17 to serve his country. He loved serving as a police officer for ~37 years and only retired because he hit the mandatory retirement age. He's been a community activist my entire life via the Hilltop Neighborhood Association. He's now serving on the city council. He's not going to stop helping people regardless of his political future.

What you don't get:
1. A technologist. He's not tech savvy. Anyone with a 70 year old parent can relate.
2. Political correctness. Sorry, but he's going to tell you what he's thinking. That may offend you, but he's authentic. Ironically, I fully expect an elitist response to this post from one or more people who consider politically correctness credentials impeccable.
3. A lap dog. This may blow your mind, but after knowing my father for years, Steve Fulop wanted him to run on his ticket he ran for mayor. He chose to run as an independent candidate instead despite a far more challenging path to victory because he didn't want to be beholden to a political boss. He's served as the city council's conscience for the past three years because of that decision.

On the signs, I have no idea who put them up. It wasn't him. He's got a fan somewhere that's been putting signs like that up for years.


Why can't he write in himself and make these points, why does his son need to do it? Not everybody needs to be a software engineer, but basic computer and technology skills are very necessary for any administrative job in 2016.

A lot of the pros you list are the same points people are using to justify voting for Donald Trump. Nobody is disparaging his past service, but future vision and actual policies are what actually matter, none of which he's been able to clearly articulate.

Posted on: 2016/6/28 14:59
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Re: Boggiano 2017 Signs
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This man hardly has the mental capability to run a city of 300k people. Nor does he have any kind of policy vision necessary to keep this city competitive in the 21st century.

Has anybody looked at his Facebook page? His posts are mostly rambling nonsense and he has the writing/communication skills of a 5 year old. When his constituents question what he means or ask him to clearly clarify his policy positions, his responses are some curt variation of "read a newspaper" or "figure it out for yourself".

This man belongs in an assisted living facility and from what I've seen he doesn't have the competency for any real executive position. Of course, he's pro-parking and anti-urban in every conceivable way, so he'll find a natural constituency in Yvonne and neighborhood association NIMBYs.


I was very disappointed when I found out during his council run that his posts here were being ghostwritten. Having "social media people" is ok for high officeholders I guess, but a candidate for city council should not have been that fabricated. If someone couldn't write a coherent post on JCList, we had a right to know that. We're not talking about FDR's leg braces, but a candidate's mental and verbal agility.


I'm not his constituent, so I can't speak to how well he actually responds one on one to somebody. The only insight I have are his public Facebook posts, which for the most part are meandering, incoherent drivel. If that's a ghost writer handling that, he definitely loses points for hiring such an incompetent social media manager. If they're not, he loses even more points for just being crazy and out of touch.

I'm sure he'd find a natural constituency among law & order and "bring back the good 'ol days" types, but I imagine him being slaughtered downtown (rightfully so) and possibly most other places in the city. The ex-cop thing will *not* play well with minorities and spitting on the concerns of newer residents will alienate the newer Downtown demographic. Thankfully, with all the developments going on Downtown, I think that area will be the natural king/queen maker.

I'm just very disappointed that thus far, if Fulop isn't running, no real progressive, transit-oriented development candidate has emerged. Maybe he has gone downhill in recent months, but I'd easily vote for Fulop again over some of the names being thrown around.


Posted on: 2016/6/28 2:15
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Re: Boggiano 2017 Signs
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This man hardly has the mental capability to run a city of 300k people. Nor does he have any kind of policy vision necessary to keep this city competitive in the 21st century.

Has anybody looked at his Facebook page? His posts are mostly rambling nonsense and he has the writing/communication skills of a 5 year old. When his constituents question what he means or ask him to clearly clarify his policy positions, his responses are some curt variation of "read a newspaper" or "figure it out for yourself".

This man belongs in an assisted living facility and from what I've seen he doesn't have the competency for any real executive position. Of course, he's pro-parking and anti-urban in every conceivable way, so he'll find a natural constituency in Yvonne and neighborhood association NIMBYs.

Posted on: 2016/6/27 21:10
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Re: HAP Investments Pays $26.5M for Jersey City Parking Lot
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Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.


Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.


Or Port Authority can increase capacity during peak times by running more trains per hour and switching to 10 car trains on the WTC line.

My personal preference would be to have rush hour pricing like in DC and LIRR, thereby creating a financial incentive for commuters to leave slightly earlier or slightly later to avoid the crunch.


WTC is already 10 cars. It's 33rd that's limited to 9, because the platforms in Manhattan aren't long enough.


It's SEVEN cars, not nine.

The WTC trains do not run with 10 cars, either. They can't do so yet because Grove is not yet long enough.


Thanks for the correction. Wow, that's even worse than I thought :(

Posted on: 2016/6/9 17:04
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Re: HAP Investments Pays $26.5M for Jersey City Parking Lot
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Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.


Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.


Or Port Authority can increase capacity during peak times by running more trains per hour and switching to 10 car trains on the WTC line.

My personal preference would be to have rush hour pricing like in DC and LIRR, thereby creating a financial incentive for commuters to leave slightly earlier or slightly later to avoid the crunch.


WTC is already 10 cars. It's 33rd that's limited to 9, because the platforms in Manhattan aren't long enough.

Posted on: 2016/6/9 16:13
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Re: Civic JC and Civic Parent Partner on Interactive Map to Compare Property Sales to Assessed Values
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$2.8 billion in assessment is missing from this map, that is the tax abated properties that are getting a free ride from taxpayers. $2.8 billion is nearly 1/3 of JC.


Why don't you shut up and code up a better map yourself then? Someone devoted time to put together a valuable tool to try and help educate others. If you don't like it, come up with something better yourself.

Posted on: 2016/5/31 22:19
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Re: German supermarket making debut in U.S., pursuing N.J. locations
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German supermarket making debut in U.S., pursuing N.J. locations
By Don E. Woods | For NJ.com

on May 26, 2016 at 8:15 AM, updated May 26, 2016 at 4:56 PM

Cumberland County could be saying willkommen to a new supermarket chain that originated in Germany and is breaking into the United States.

Lidl established an American corporate headquarters in Virginia last June in an effort to expand onto the Eastern Seaboard. The company was taking submissions for potential properties from as north as New Jersey all the way down to Georgia. According to Cumberland County officials, the supermarket chain is looking to open locations in Upper Deerfield, Millville and Vineland.

Lidl officials have already been before the Vineland Planning Board, according to Vineland Economic Development Director Sandy Forosisky. The location will be on Landis Avenue near Walmart and ShopRite.

http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ss ... tml#incart_river_home_pop


Interested parties might want to write and suggest Old Colony site (formerly Pathmark) on Grand Street Downtown -- maybe that other deal fell through.

http://www.lidl.com/real-estate-opportunities.html



99 Ranch is still going through, though no construction has started in that building yet. Opening dates have been reported to be from the end of the summer till Feb. 2017, so who knows.

Perhaps that new building going up right across the street from Brownstone diner (235 Grand?). That's supposed to have quite a large retail component, so a small supermarket could work there.

Posted on: 2016/5/27 17:39
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Re: Underground Passageway linking PATH to Fulton Center Opens Today (May 26, 2016)
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I believe they are planning direct connections to the 1/E/R. Those parts are very behind schedule, mostly because there was a big dispute between PA and MTA as to who would actually pay and do the work, which lasted years. Turns out MTA is responsible for the buildout and construction, so it's on them as to when those things will open up.


They are, and remember that the WTC E station is connected underground to the Park Place A/C/2/3. When that opens, it will assuredly be faster and easier than going above ground.


Yes, you're both right. My bad. You can see how the entrances to both lines will be incorporated into the south Oculus corridor that is already open if you click the video on this page:


Just walked through after work - there is a direct connection to the R, right after you walk through the doors to the passage to Fulton.

Posted on: 2016/5/26 23:32
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Re: Underground Passageway linking PATH to Fulton Center Opens Today (May 26, 2016)
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I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?


I think you're right. In the case of the E, I believe that there will be a direct underground connection from the corridor running north away from the Oculus that should deliver you to the E train platforms without having to go up to street level and back down into the subway again.

But in the case of the 2,3 and the A,C it will still be faster to go up to street level and enter the 2,3 at Park Place and the A,C at Chambers Street than schlepping all the way through the warren of tunnels to get to access those lines at Fulton Street.

The 2,3 Fulton Street platforms in particular are a looong walk from the WTC PATH platforms, since they are located under William Street which is five avenue blocks distant. Park Place is much closer. A,C are only one block closer, located under Nassau Street.

Here's another thing that grates: the 1 train at Cortlandt Street runs right through the ceiling of the Hub, but there will be no way to access the station from underground. You'll have to go up to the Memorial plaza and then go back down into the 1 train station. I also believe the same is true of the R at Cortlandt Street.

For $4bn you would have hoped they could have engineered a below ground transfer to those two lines that are literally on top of the new hub. But, you know, PANYNJ.


I believe they are planning direct connections to the 1/E/R. Those parts are very behind schedule, mostly because there was a big dispute between PA and MTA as to who would actually pay and do the work, which lasted years. Turns out MTA is responsible for the buildout and construction, so it's on them as to when those things will open up.

Posted on: 2016/5/26 16:24
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Re: Yvonne Outdoes Herself - Transgender Bathroom Editorial
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UPDATE: My daughter and I were in Target last night. She used the bathroom and wasn't raped. Just thought I'd provide a measure, albeit small, of actual real life experience into the conversation.


Lucky for you, but she has the rest of her life to go to public restrooms and daddy will not be around. I suggest you give her a whistle to place on her key chain in case she encounters trouble.
I wonder, how taxing is it on you to be in a perpetual state of outrage, anger, and nightmarish fantasy? How many medications are you on to help you cope with a hellish world in which rape is around every corner, and the specter of transgendered bandits are leering at you over every bathroom stall door? How many psychologists must you visit daily to calm you down after Fulop eats a hamburger like he owns the place?

Is there any possible planet on which you would be happy? Or is your version of heaven just a big bowl of throat lozenges to help with your incessant city hall speeches, and a pile of keyboards for your daily letters to the editor? Is your version of Shangri-La an oasis not of peace and quiet, but of scandal and persistent outrage?


Don't forget the parking lots. Any Nirvana for her needs to have plenty of available street parking and tons of quarter-full parking lots in bustling metro areas.

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Re: Underground Passageway linking PATH to Fulton Center Opens Today (May 26, 2016)
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I have yet to find a map of this, so I guess I'll have to explore in person, but I can't see how walking east underground to Fulton Station is closer/faster than just going aboveground to the 1,2,A,C and particularly the E (unless you are going to Brooklyn). I'm not criticizing the tunnel, just wondering if it's at all a shortcut rather than just a way to avoid going outside?


If you count the time it takes to walk above ground, wait at intersections on Cortlandt, walk back down through Fulton to get to the subway platform, it absolutely is. Not to mention how nice it'll be when it's raining. I've been waiting months for this.

Posted on: 2016/5/26 16:05
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Re: DEVELOPER TROLL goes crazy in our Village Neighborhood
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It was the developer that sued the City and took the project to court. He is the one who decided to waste taxpayer money instead of going to the zoning or planning board as every developer in the City has to do. Any "concessions" that he made with the City were never realistic or came with other unreasonable demands.


The developer went to court to enforce his legally granted rights. Clearly the community had issue with the process, but that is not the developer's problem. The fact that he was willing to make concessions at all was commendable; it certainly wasn't required. The argument that this development was out of character for the neighborhood really was a stretch when you consider directly across Varick is a building with a slightly larger number of apartments.


Also the fact the city decided to appeal a case that's sure to lose at the behest of the VVPA. And there were many arguments the VVPA made up to oppose this, but parking was the one that got the most publicity. VVPA also floated a classist and borderline discriminatory argument that the type of development would bring in young 20-somethings and they the neighborhood didn't need "those people". So thanks to the collective wisdom of the VVPA, tax money is being wasted on pointless lawsuits and the area is still a blighted damn parking lot - one that could have been paying taxes and at least.


Like I said before (although you edited my quote)

Wrong on all counts....you are misinformed...

So stop lying. No point in arguing with a Troll.


That guy has done nothing but troll since he signed up. Developers probably handing out $100 bills on the street to people to troll this board and come to meetings speaking out for the slumlords.


Yes, let's call anybody who might have something critical to say about how the unelected Yvonne's that comprise the neighborhood associations conduct themselves a developer troll. It's funny that every NA apologist here can't respond to the many issues myself and others have posted about here. God forbid new residents who don't have a lengthy post history here should have an opinion too.

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It was the developer that sued the City and took the project to court. He is the one who decided to waste taxpayer money instead of going to the zoning or planning board as every developer in the City has to do. Any "concessions" that he made with the City were never realistic or came with other unreasonable demands.


The developer went to court to enforce his legally granted rights. Clearly the community had issue with the process, but that is not the developer's problem. The fact that he was willing to make concessions at all was commendable; it certainly wasn't required. The argument that this development was out of character for the neighborhood really was a stretch when you consider directly across Varick is a building with a slightly larger number of apartments.


Also the fact the city decided to appeal a case that's sure to lose at the behest of the VVPA. And there were many arguments the VVPA made up to oppose this, but parking was the one that got the most publicity. VVPA also floated a classist and borderline discriminatory argument that the type of development would bring in young 20-somethings and they the neighborhood didn't need "those people". So thanks to the collective wisdom of the VVPA, tax money is being wasted on pointless lawsuits and the area is still a blighted damn parking lot - one that could have been paying taxes and at least.

Posted on: 2016/5/20 17:49
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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Behind closed doors as in an open meeting that is advertised and open to the public ?

You onviously are making these claims up. Anyone that is the least bit involved in NA doesnt seem to have these issues.


And this response speaks volumes so now you speak for all involved in the VNA when did this become a communist neighborhood. How ever much or little someone is involved in an organization in their neighborhood doesn't automatically give that association the right to speak for them or the masses. People do different things in different ways to support their neighborhood. So yes full public knowledge on a decision of this gravity from our ELECTED OFFICIALS is warranted here not a small group who hadn't consulted all that their statements effects prior to making their bold statement


The VNA doesn't purport to speak for everyone - no NA can possibly or would possibly claim that, but it speaks as a representative majority based on voting members at public meetings. If residents don't show up / send someone in their 'stead / contact officials with concerns / i.e. make other arrangements, how can you possibly expect anyone to know your thoughts on an issue ?

Zoning officials know how neighborhood associations work and don't assume that majority votes equate to some sort of total absolute agreement.

This isn't congress voting on issues that require 2/3 majority in a formal sense and the fact that you are inclined to scrutinize the whole system to such a degree leads me to believe you have something to lose (developer shrill).


What don't you understand about this point? A very small, but vocal minority gave feedback and a significant rezoning plan was altered because of it. How many people at this meeting actually said they wanted this north/south plan? Like, maybe 5 cantankerous old people?

Why is this point so difficult for you to comprehend? Maybe it's the city's fault for listening to this very tiny minority of people and altering the plan, but the facts stand that the VNA played a big role in having this regulation altered. Did *anybody* at this meeting stand up and say "Wait, I think we should really get input from the majority of the community on this?" I think not, because the self-serving agenda of the members in attendance was fulfilled.

Why don't you see that this may be the reason people are so upset? Why not take the criticism to heart and actually work on making the VNA more transparent with these dealings instead of defensively sticking your head in the sand and calling everybody who disagrees a developer shill?

I can easily turn this around on you and claim you must have been one of those 5 or 10, or whatever the number was, of people at the meeting pushing for this ridiculous north/south plan, so you feel the need to defend your decision as much as possible. Judging by the tenor and content of your posts, you probably were. Sorry to say, not everybody shares your opinion of the esteemed VNA and maybe the majority of the community doesn't like having decision on their property values made for them?

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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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Dr nick - the vna is a volunteer community group - not a governmental agency with a requirement to provide minutes. These are people from the community getting together, making time out of their own busy lives, to discuss issues in the village community and to be neighborly. Meetings are held at 730pm so that people can get there after work. While it may not be convenient to your particular work schedule, it is the best possible time for most. meetings are announced and all are welcome. If you cant make it to meetings due to your work schedule, find a friend in the community that can and get the scoop from them. Or, go about making your voice heard in other ways by your own advocacy. Either you get involved in your community or you don't. As you know, nobody owes you anything if you arent willing to participate in a meaningful way. It takes time and effort, often unappreciated, to get involved. Its not easy when we all have busy lives with jobs and families. Its not easy for anyone - you are not alone in these time constraints.


? Then what gives them the right to "speak for everyone" you r correct we are all busy in this life and with that who has the time to or energy to be dismissed or argue with a group that seemingly feels they are the end all and be all of your neighborhood. There are so many who help behind the scenes who volunteer without need for recognition who simply do what they can when they can to help. Our voices are no less significant nor should anyone claim to speak for them. My opinion if your going to claim to speak for the public and you are a formed organization then you need to be transparent and run yourself accordingly. Bravo to all that help out and volunteer in all Jersey City and at the VNA, but just because you do it in a group doesn't make you the boss of the neighborhood and give you the right to boldly speak for the majority when you haven't consulted the majority. Maybe the people of the VNA are overwhelmed maybe they should fall back from some demands and fix what's wrong within the group and address the issues being brought up here. A badly run company makes no money and a poorly run NA alienates the people in its neighborhood. There are a tremendous amount of good people that make up the Village include them don't alienate them.


How else would you gauge sentiment in the neighborhood for certain proposals or developments ?



Uh, maybe by doing what our councilwoman is doing and truly soliciting feedback from everybody, not trying to ram through a half-assed proposal behind closed doors and not tell anybody about it?

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I have never posted on JClist.com but like to keep up with stuff, as a long time resident of the village where I have lived for over 15 years before it was considered a neighborhood association and really just a block association run by Mr. Lambiase. I have attended many village neighborhood association meetings held by Rob Crow (who by the way is a nice guy). The biggest issue is that two of those meetings were election meetings, however, there were no elections held. You basically say what you want to do and a position is created for you. At the first meeting three years ago, no one was interested to run for a position, but at the last one positions were just created so there would be no election. So I now have a problem with the VNA representing to speak on behalf of the neighbors or us folks who have been here for 15 years and those who have been here for generations like my family. I too have signed this petition which was brought to me by someone who has lived in the village much longer than I have. I absolutely object to the segregation of village south vs. village north and find the request made by the VNA to be offensive. We should all be subject to the same zoning that the historic neighborhood permits. Let's make the village great again! HAHA I hate Trump.


Uh oh, only 1 post. This is certainly a developer shill and even if you're not, your opinion is illegitimate anyway (just kidding!).

So it would seem we do, more or less, have a self-appointed board setting the agenda and tone of these meetings.

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Dr nick - the vna is a volunteer community group - not a governmental agency with a requirement to provide minutes. These are people from the community getting together, making time out of their own busy lives, to discuss issues in the village community and to be neighborly. Meetings are held at 730pm so that people can get there after work. While it may not be convenient to your particular work schedule, it is the best possible time for most. meetings are announced and all are welcome. If you cant make it to meetings due to your work schedule, find a friend in the community that can and get the scoop from them. Or, go about making your voice heard in other ways by your own advocacy. Either you get involved in your community or you don't. As you know, nobody owes you anything if you arent willing to participate in a meaningful way. It takes time and effort, often unappreciated, to get involved. Its not easy when we all have busy lives with jobs and families. Its not easy for anyone - you are not alone in these time constraints.


I call BS. The VNA is claiming, at least in this particular zoning instance, to be the voice of the entire community regarding an issue that has huge implications for people's property values in addition to commercial development which will affect all of downtown.

There are ten (10!) "elected" or possibly self-appointed board members (who really knows), it's NOT a huge ask for someone to type up some minutes in a laptop as the meeting's going on and copy/paste into Facebook or a website. Why did a regular attendee have to take on this responsibility? VNA might not be a governmental agency, but has no problem wielding veto power like one when it suits them. If you want to claim this mantle of power, then take on the responsibility that should come with it.

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All - I am the person who takes accountability for slowing down the process here. I have had so many people reach out to me purporting to represent the views of the residents. My office will be doing a mailing to those impacted by the proposed changes explaining the various options and asking for feedback. We also will host a community meeting at city hall. These changes will not be considered by planning board (and ultimately city council) until early fall as I want to ensure proper public notice of proposed changes and input into those changes.



Hi Candice,

Thank you so much for your thoughtful consideration of this issue. I think it would help a few of us here if we could get a couple quick questions answered:
1. Does the R1 zone in question fall entirely within "The Village" borders, under the sole boundaries of the VNA, or does it extend outside the VNA zone? The map on their own website covers a very small area: http://www.jcvillage.org/101-2/where-is-the-village/
The official Jersey City zoning map indicates that R1 zoning actually exists far outside the village borders: http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/uploa ... ning%20Map%2020150527.pdf

Are you able to clarify if just a small slice of R1 is impacted here or is it all of R1 as seen in the JC zone map?

2. Are the proposed heights inclusive of any flood plain elevation? i.e., you can have up to 44 feet(or whatever the ordinance number was for 4 story) *after* necessary flood plain elevation, so we effectively end up with a 50-something foot tall building? Or is it a hard cap at 44' so if you need 6' for flood plain elevation, well, then you've only got 38' to work with? EDIT: This is essentially a repeat of Brewster's question.

I'm also very concerned about the lack of dissemination of information, particularly on the part of the VNA. It's clear in this case that the VNA purported to speak for all residents of the area, when we can see that's hardly the case.

In addition, I find the lack of any published meeting minutes so we can find out the outcome of these sorts of meetings very frustrating, also evidenced by this chain. It shouldn't be that an ordinary member in attendance needs to take notes and share with the rest of us when VNA has a website and Facebook page that they never utilize. This makes the decisions going on at these meetings all the more suspect and you can see how this opens the doors to accusations of ramming things through without public input for and for personal gain.

Again, thanks for all the work you've done and for stepping in stop a decision that was hardly the collective opinion of area residents.

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Its very coincidental all these new people with very few posts adamantly opposed to the VNA and keeping existing R1 zoning.

The VNA like the Harsimus Cove NA or Ham Park have mostly lived in the area and been involved in the community for a long time with nothing to gain monetarily.

Only someone with a strong agenda they want to pass makes such absurd comments about them being cultish all inclusive undemocratic group.


Exactly. These "people" may just be a handful of trolls (or just one) who have multiple accounts seeking to create the false perception that many are on their side.

This is why there is no substitute for showing up in person.


For the record, I have no problem revealing my identity and sending a LinkedIn if you wish to direct message me, since a lot of the criticism here is coming from me. I was a recently a victim of identity theft, so I'm reluctant to put my personal information on a public forum. I'm also taking a very politically unpopular position, so being that anybody could look up my address there's also added risk. I should note that there is also a lot of criticism coming from long time posters on this forum as well, so you can't attribute it to one disgruntled "troll".


I don't care about your identity. I care about distinguishing between legitimate and illegitimate criticism.

The flood of new posters all of one single mind indicates illegitimate criticism.

And, as I've said, even if there is legitimate criticism here (such as the comments from the long time posters), the appropriate forum to air these grievances is either at one of the VNA meetings or a city council meeting.


And who are you to determine what "legitimate" criticism is? Is lack of transparency, meeting minutes or a published agenda any less relevant a point if I or someone else hasn't been posting here for at least 5 years? Why did it take 50-something posts to finally figure out what's really going on with this?

So now goalposts move again; when the VNA gets called out on points their own members can't defend, they just deem it "illegitimate". I own a condo, live in this neighborhood and pay taxes just like you. I will be affected by this zoning ordinance just the same as you, so if there's some other qualification needed for my grievance to be legitimate, maybe VNA should publish this criteria on that website they never use.

If I'm expected to drag my ass to a meeting to get shouted at by a bunch of protectionist NIMBYs, I think the board of said meeting should meet their end of the bargain and publish an agenda and meeting minutes. And you're damn right I'll be contacting city hall over this issue.

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Its very coincidental all these new people with very few posts adamantly opposed to the VNA and keeping existing R1 zoning.

The VNA like the Harsimus Cove NA or Ham Park have mostly lived in the area and been involved in the community for a long time with nothing to gain monetarily.

Only someone with a strong agenda they want to pass makes such absurd comments about them being cultish all inclusive undemocratic group.


Exactly. These "people" may just be a handful of trolls (or just one) who have multiple accounts seeking to create the false perception that many are on their side.

This is why there is no substitute for showing up in person.


For the record, I have no problem revealing my identity and sending a LinkedIn if you wish to direct message me, since a lot of the criticism here is coming from me. I was a recently a victim of identity theft, so I'm reluctant to put my personal information on a public forum. I'm also taking a very politically unpopular position, so being that anybody could look up my address there's also added risk. I should note that there is also a lot of criticism coming from long time posters on this forum as well, so you can't attribute it to one disgruntled "troll".

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As I understand, the flood requirement is not included in the 44ft limit. That's why people were up in arms over it at the March meeting, and wanting the lower 3-story limit; they were saying that builders would build 4 floors up to the max 44ft they were allowed to build to, on top of the 6/9ft flood requirement, making the total height between 50-53ft, thus choking the narrow streets and blocking the sunlight and whatnot. And if they were mistaken in that impression, well, nobody was correcting them.

To be honest, I'm a bit sympathetic to that argument as I live south of Newark, and our streets are narrow. But even then I don't think keeping the R-1 zoning is a good idea. I think having more ground level retail in the area would make it much more attractive and lively and, well, nice. And we would need increased density to support that.

Not to say that VNA attendees are representative of the neighborhood as a whole, but when they did an informal poll at the Thurs mtg an awful lot of people raised their hands in support of keeping the Village at R-1 (barely any for the 4-story option, and a smattering for the 3-story). Even Candice seemed taken aback for a few seconds, before she cheerfully reminded all assembled that our show of hands would not impact her decision, which would be determined by the comments received once formal notice was out to the community.

I have no idea if the people living in the R-1 zoned area outside the Village on brewster's map will be included in the mailing though, although you guys really should be.


That's funny - NIMBYs so against change, they'd rather play whack-a-mole with variances and wind up with 6-7 story buildings than agree to a reasonable rezoning plan. They'll get what they deserve.

If it does turn out VNA tried to make a decision affecting people outside their borders (I may even fall into this area, I need to see the full zoning map), they've earned every criticism thrown at them in this thread and more.

All the people accusing anybody critical of the VNA as having some pro-devleoper agenda haven't been able to respond to the lack of transparency behind this whole issue. Why on earth does an attendee have to takes notes at meetings and publish them? What kind of organization has no recorded minutes and publishes them, especially on issues that affect such a large number of people? I will be writing to my rightfully elected representatives and letting them know that this lack of transparency and organization is utterly disturbing.

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Can something else be clarified? I thought this rezoning was going to apply to all downtown R-1, not just to "the Village", which is not actually an administrative entity. Someone pointed out a while ago when this was 1st brought up that the majority of Downtown R-1 was in the village, but by no means is all of it.


Might be best to just email Candice with this question, you're unlikely to get an accurate answer here. Let me know if you do, or I can and post her reply.

Also, if what you're saying is correct, that makes the VNA's decision and secrecy around this issue even more egregious as this would cover areas not under their rule.

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Thank you so much, ILRie. All the confusion and angst in this thread could have been nipped early on if the VNA bothered updating their damn website or Facebook with any of this. This sounds like a solid plan and many props to Candice for realizing so little input had been collected when they tried to ram through this nonsense and borderline discriminatory north/south plan.

I wonder why the VNA members accusing everybody here of being a developer troll couldn't just state this was the plan going forward. Perhaps they're afraid of awful option number 3 being the popular consensus and want to bury this as much as possible.

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Dr. Nick Rivera, why dont you attend a vna meeting? These are people volunteering their time in an effort to help the community. Why don't you stop maligning them and actually do something to help the community instead, since you seem to care so much? Why is all of your vitriol saved for members of the community, while seemingly unconditional support for developers? Do you have some association with the developers that you are not disclosing on this forum?


I have no association with developers at all, I'll personally send you my LinkedIn if you want. And why are you maligning people that may be upset over a small group of sanctimonious, unelected people making decisions that are affecting property values for an entire community? Nice move trying to smear anyone who dares disagree as some shill of developers. Maybe some of don't want the entirety of downtown to remain boarded up store fronts and nail salons. I can throw this right back at you and accuse you of being one of the people north of Newark who *will* benefit from a property value jump because of this.

I work till 7:30 most nights, not including the time it takes for me to get home. As another poster said, there's NO agenda and NO meeting minutes posted on the VNA website. I'd like to say I'm really surprised more people south of Newark aren't up in arms over this, but then again, the VNA seems to be doing a very good job keeping things as non-transparent as possible.

And honestly, you act like everybody attending these meetings is some pillar-of-the-community type dedicating hours of their time for grassroots efforts. From what I've observed, it's mostly old people who show up for an hour to bitch about their free parking and disappear.

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So who on the VNA made the decision to break apart the re-zoning? It sounds like the majority of people in this thread are opposed to this - which individual gets contacted with everybody's thoughts?


Do you think anyone will give a shit if you call them and tell them a bunch of posters on an anonymous message board don't like what the VNA is doing?

If you feel so strongly about this, man up and go to the relevant meetings in person and state your concerns.


And you think someone on the VNA or any NA board will give a shit if I do "man up", show up and disagree with what they're doing? An unelected board is gaming the system for their own personal gain, nothing will stop them. This would be such a disgusting conflict of interest if an actual elected official attempted something like this.

Do you go around saying the same thing to anybody who signs a petition?

Posted on: 2016/5/17 17:31
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So who on the VNA made the decision to break apart the re-zoning? It sounds like the majority of people in this thread are opposed to this - which individual gets contacted with everybody's thoughts?

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When local NA's stop being a whiney group of do-nothings, they'll earn respect. Over 2 decades in JC, they simply haven't earned mine.

Why don't I engage? Why engage with kids with ADD?


This thread should really be merged.

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I've no doubt a less confrontational stance with developers, would have yielded a much bigger community benefit. They could be sponsoring park upkeep, snow clearing, street maintenance and improvements, street festivals, citibike provisioning...

Have the NAs gotten any of that?


Other than bitching on a forum, is there any way for us to push back on the NA agenda? I feel like a lot of people want to speak up in favor of things like denser development, lower to no parking minimums, more commercial developement, bike lanes, etc. etc. etc.

I feel as though showing up to my NA meeting and going against the agenda of the board and NIMBYs would ostracize me in the neighborhood. Not to mention the meetings happen infrequently and at times that aren't always convenient.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 22:28
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From the VNA's own website: http://www.jcvillage.org/vna/mission-statement/

"Our goals are to increase public safety, promote the arts, and foster awareness of the historical past of The Village for its residents, and to the city of Jersey City as a whole."

Where does it say they get to dictate zoning based on the wants of a couple board members that will reverberate on the entire west side of downtown? I live a couple blocks south of the border cutoff, but I certainly patronize plenty of businesses in that area and would love to see more open up along with a revitalized streetscape. Make no mistake, this will affect property values in the surrounding blocks as well.

There was supposed to be a big meeting of the VNA with Candice in attendance. These NA websites are so infrequently updated, it's impossible to know what the outcome was and who the decision makers actually are. Not everybody has the time or work schedule that allows them to attend a meeting during the week.

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