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Re: Fulop and the ‘Fight for Fifteen’
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http://www.aei.org/publication/early- ... the-nation-not-to-follow/

http://www.the-american-interest.com/ ... mum-wage-hikes-cost-jobs/

You can't cheat the laws of Nature. If you force employers to pay rates than higher what economics of their business dictates, they will cut service, cut hours, or they will simply replace humans with machines. It's not hard to make a machine to flip burgers.

Oh, and as a Mayor, Fulop is supposed to represent the taxpayers, not our employees. He is supposed to look after our financial interests, not theirs. This is his fiduciary duty, his obligation.

If he feels like he should represent the workers, he should resign as a mayor and then negotiate with a new mayor on their behalf.

Posted on: 2016/3/1 2:25
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Re: In case you missed the news.. major cooridinated Islamic terror attack in Paris
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i believe near 200,000 people were killed by algeria's military government in trying to put down an islamicist government that was freely elected by algerians...food for thought!

And I heard that millions were killed when France and UK declared war on Germany, against the fascist government that was freely elected by germans. What's your point?

Posted on: 2015/11/30 4:17
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Re: Black Man Executes White Cop At Texas Gas Station
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Might give some an insight !

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/study- ... f-population-heres-why-2/


So, they cherry-picked a date range, they included all the world population in the count, even those who can't afford guns. Most importantly, they "forgot" to include any civil war, as if murder only counts when it's done by one person, and not at all when it's perpetrated by a large group.

Well, if it gives us an insight, it's an insight into how suitable sociologists are to conduct a statistical study.

Posted on: 2015/9/1 12:52
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Re: Christie down to 3% in New Hampshire following first debate
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Say, guys, would you be terribly disappointed, if I were to inform you that a Christie is a conservative only when grading on a "curve". Like "among politicians who can get elected in NJ".

As a candidate for the rank and file he's simply a non-starter. He'd be a possible candidate for the RINOs of the party establishment, but that position is already taken by Bush.

Is this something new? You seem to think that his performance means something else, no?

Posted on: 2015/8/12 4:15
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Re: Driving down Jersey in Hamilton Park
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1. However wrongly people park their cars, it can never be a reason for not stopping at a stop sign.

2. It's very easy to deal with the possible through traffic congestion - the city can declare some residential areas a "no-through-traffic" zone.


You mean the way it has declared that you must stop at STOP signs, yield to pedestrians and go no faster than 25 mph? If they can't get compliance on these, how do you think they can possibly enforce such a vague decree? Passports to enter certain streets? I thought you weren't in favor of a police state.


I thought that the answer was quite obvious - once we have a law that prohibits through traffic, the city can request Waze to comply with that law.



Posted on: 2015/7/15 4:30
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Re: Driving down Jersey in Hamilton Park
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1. However wrongly people park their cars, it can never be a reason for not stopping at a stop sign.

2. It's very easy to deal with the possible through traffic congestion - the city can declare some residential areas a "no-through-traffic" zone.

Posted on: 2015/7/13 22:47
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Re: Take a Minute & STOP the NJ BEAR HUNT
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Just in case, you guys do understand that bear is a dangerous predator and that their population and area that they visit grow?

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/bearfacts.htm

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Posted on: 2015/7/5 23:33
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Re: Burning the Confederate and Nazi banners in bustling Journal Square...
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Did they destroy red and blue paisley bandanas also?

I think those bandanas triggered more hate, violence, and death in the last 20 years then the confederate flag.By the way?Walmart is still selling them and has a sale on a 12 pack for 13 dollars.


Hey, did they also burn all those Che Guevara T-shirts? You know, the guy butchered his political opponents in the La Cabana prison. Was regular Himmler that one.

Posted on: 2015/6/29 4:29
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Re: Democratic leaders propose modernizing NJ voting laws with ‘Democracy Act’
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Boris, every one of your links is for voter registration, which is not the same thing as voting. Anyone can fill out a registration form for Mickey Mouse. Is Mickey Mouse going to show up and vote?

So, it's your understanding that people may be filling thousands of them illegal registration forms just for fun? If you plan to answer "no, it's because they are stupid", my next question is: in my examples all the people who were caught doing that were Democrats. Do you know of many Republicans who would do that?

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The simple fact is that voter fraud is such a rare occasion

I'm sorry, but the word "fact" doesn't mean "this is something that CatDog really wants us to believe is true". The fact should be supported with some evidence.

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But the problem is that every single Republican effort to do this has been a blatant attempt at Democratic vote suppression, making it difficult or expensive to get an ID ... Even in NJ and NY (pretty liberal states), it's really difficult to get an ID.

First, NJ and NY are not "pretty liberal", they are as liberal as a state may get.

Second, do you understand that your second phrase entirely destroys your attempt in the first phrase to blame it on Republicans? You can't claim that Republicans are creating some horrible difficulties aimed at Democratic voters suppression -- at the same time acknowledging that Democrats are creating same exact difficulties.

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You have to have something like 3 forms of ID in order to get an ID.

No, not really. For example, you can use your birth certificate, plus social security card plus bank statement (or high-school diploma, or any professional license).

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If my girlfriend, who is an affluent white girl, has trouble getting an ID in New York, how is a poor black or hispanic person in Texas going to get an ID easily, if they don't have $$$ and time?

First, I am an immigrant, legal one, and I got ID with no problems, and I was nowhere near "affluent" when I did. So it can be done, even in New Jersey.

In Texas it would be even easier. See, when you want to say something like "oh, I imagine how horrible it must be in Texas", I would strongly urge you to actually CHECK how horrible it really is. Like there is an invention, called "internet" and it allows one to easily find and read the list of documents that Texas requires. And then you can compare it with a NJ version. Turns out, NJ says one primary document, plus one or two more. Texas stops at one primary document. They also allow not to have primary, and use two secondary ones. Also, Texas has a longer list of options for primary documents, and supporting documents.

It would serve you well to actually check the factoids you are being fed by whatever news source you use, instead of just declaring them "simple facts".

It's like Reagan said in one of his best speeches "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. ".


Posted on: 2015/6/21 5:02
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Re: Democratic leaders propose modernizing NJ voting laws with ‘Democracy Act’
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Deniers of access to voting are almost all Republicans. We know why, of course.

That?s three lies in one phrase.

First of all, what you claim to be ?denial of access? - is not. Republicans ask for a very simple proof of citizenship. How simple? Well, the same one you use to purchase liquor, to board a plane or to attend Hillary CLinton event.

Second, there used to be a real, widespread denial of votes in this country. But the real one was committed by Democrats. And Democrats were fighting hard to continue that. XV Amendment was passed along the party lines with no support from either Democrats in the Senate or Democrats in the House. Voting Rights Act of 1965 was opposed by 25% of Democrats in the Senate, and 22% of Democrats in the House. For the Republicans it was much lower 6% and 18%.

Third, fraudulent votes are the same as denial of voting. For when you add one fraudulent vote, it cancels out my honest one and that means you denied me my rights.

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The fact remains that this is still not a real problem yet the call for ID cards acts like it is...


EXPOSED: SCANDAL OF DOUBLE VOTERS 46,000 registered to vote in city & Fla.: New York & Florida
2006: United States Election Assistance Commission Report on Outcomes of Court Cases of Voter Fraud
Deceased residents on statewide voter list - New York
Voter Registration Fraud In Florida
Fraud, discrimination claims roil huge voter registration
Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say
How to Steal an Election: Michigan, California, Missouri
ACORN's Rap Sheet
The Fraud That Made Milwaukee Famous


Or, better yet, here: Voter Fraud in the US: Documented: Part 1 - a looooooong list with sources

Now, there are two explanations to why you think that it is ?not a real problem?. First, charitable one, is that you simply unaware. For example, you may get your news from the sources that tend to hide this information from you, so you simply don?t know. Second, less charitable, is that you know about all that, but you don?t think it?s a problem because you assume that your political party would benefit from that fraud.

Posted on: 2015/6/20 3:08
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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I liked Uber until I found out why it's cheap. Basically the Uber X drivers are underinsured and don't have a TLC license. If an Uber driver gets into an at fault accident carrying a passenger they basically out of luck because Uber only covers if you're not at fault and their personal insurance won't cover it because they were using it for a commercial activity. The PA is issuing drivers tickets because they don't have a TLC license and the fines total to more than $5k so that's why the Uner drivers are scared.


So... wait. The PA is issuing them tickets because they don't pay off the government-run limo cartel, and that is the reason why you don't like Uber? Yes?

Posted on: 2015/6/16 5:03
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Re: Democratic leaders propose modernizing NJ voting laws with ‘Democracy Act’
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How is this "voting right" story?

First of all, the "early voting" proposal is against the Constitution. At least as far as Presidential elections go. Article II, Section 1 declares "The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."

Second, I see nothing there that defends or restores rights. There is no "right" to get same-day registration, same as there is no "right" to get same-day international passport or same-day marriage license. If you neglect to register in time, it's your own choosing. Your rights are not violated. Those rules don't even give us any additional convenience, since they don't remove a deadline, they just move it.

If you think otherwise, riddle me this: what if someone claims that not only he forgot to register but also that he forgot to vote? Should we allow him to register and vote a day after elections? How about a week after? No? What if someone wants to change their vote the next day? If we claim that rules and deadlines violate voting rights, we must allow it.

What those new rules do is they make it much easier to cheat the system. So I suspect, this is why they are proposed.

Do you think I'm wrong? Well, it would be easy to check. It isn't hard to make sure that the new rules aren't used for cheating. We don't need to invent anything new, since we already have ID requirements to get drivers license, or to open a bank account, so we can use the same ones. And, of course, some harsh penalties for voting fraud. If they do that, well, then I was wrong about it indeed. Otherwise...

Posted on: 2015/6/16 4:55
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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Anonymess is 100% on point with his comment/suggestion. If an Uber driver asks you to cancel a request that they have already accepted, you should ALWAYS refuse to do so. The ones gaming the system (by immediately accepting requests and then calling you for details about final destination) need to learn a lesson. If you cancel enough rides, your "ranking" will take a hit over time. If they cancel, Uber will penalize them, as they should. Plus, why should you allow someone to waste your time?? If they get upset and refuse to cancel, they have two options: sit tight in place and let time go by, preventing them from being able to accept another ride, or they will eventually give up and cancel. You can then reach out to Uber and get a $10 credit for your troubles.


Not only you shouldn't cancel, but you should also call Uber and complain. Uber made a promise of a service to you, and the drivers made a promise to Uber. They should uphold their end of the bargain.

Also, if you complain, Uber will drop those drivers and we will have a nice subject to discuss: "heartless Uber is dropping drivers".

Posted on: 2015/6/12 23:56
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Re: Murder on Fulton Ave - Second Fatal Shooting in Eight Days
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I may agree with some of your conclusions, but not necessarily with your reasoning.

In my opinion, S&F is unconstitutional regardless of whether cops apply it in a racist, or a non-racist manner.

Oh, and about this:

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Yeah, I'm sure this hoodie-lover gets stopped and frisked all the time:


There is nothing in his dress or posture that says "gangsta". It's not about just about the hoodie. It's not about just one item of clothing. No fashion is.

In any case, you know just as well as the rest of us that the whole idea of a "gangsta" style dress is to project a certain image. Like when you put on a smart suit, clean shoes and a power tie, you probably want to project some image too. And you actually count on that image when you dress for an interview in Goldman Sachs or whatnot, right? We do that image stuff because it works. Consider how David Brooks decided that Obama would be a very good president not when he analyzed Obama's ideas, but when he was mesmerized by his perfectly creased pant.

So, back to the story - when people want to project certain image, oftentimes they succeed. You just can't deny it.


Posted on: 2015/6/6 0:07
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Re: Morbidly Obese NJ Governor Wastes 85k (Not on Jenny Craig)
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Obviously you have no idea what a swinging voter is - I am a swinging voter. I don't consider politics and the running of the nation like my football or baseball team for which I follow through thick or thin.


I have yet to see you expressing any point of view to the right of Hillary Clinton.

What parties are you swinging between?


Posted on: 2015/5/10 19:15
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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I firmly believe that most drivers are content even with the drawbacks.

Two different questions: if you mean "content" in the sense they want nothing else - that may not be true. If you mean "content" in the sense that they chose Uber over running their own business or be employed by a cab company - then yes, true. But it's true not because they say so, but because they do so.

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However, Uber really should change the tipping philosophy

Why? There are two ways to pay someone:
- either an employer pays the whole sum specified in advance
- or an employer pays some very basic money and then you rely on the tips from customers.

One way is not objectively better than another. I have heard many a sentiment like "US restaurants should stop using tip-based schema and pay their servers in full". Now you advocate the opposite, that Uber should switch to the tip-based compensation. Do you truly believe that drivers and/or passengers will welcome that change?

If drivers choose Uber over cab company, and passengers choose Uber over cab company, why would Uber owners ever want to turn Uber into a cab company?

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The only times I haven't tipped is when the surge is 1.5 or higher. In many respects, I think the surge is a ripoff even though it benefits the driver.

It benefits everyone. When we have a situation with 100 passengers and only 50 cars we can't supply a car for everyone. When we raise the price, those who need cars the most agree to pay more, and they are getting those cars. Also, the higher price lures more drivers out, increasing the supply. So, it's good for everyone.

Price caps, and the war against "price gouging" is the sure way to create deficit. Once that happens, the goods move onto the "black market" with the end result that instead of the profits going to those who produce, they go to those who was the first in line to grab the goods, with no benefits to the consumers.

Posted on: 2015/5/6 13:10
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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For history buffs, unions brought you the weekend, the 40 hour work week, overtime, decent wages, and healthcare.


Sorry pal, but I'm a Jew and I have some very different notion of who brought me the weekend. Also, my work week is at least 50 hours, I get no overtime and I am pretty sure that it's the major reason why my wages are somewhat higher than "decent".

As for the healthcare you make two mistakes, not just one. First, you are equating healthcare with employer-supplied health insurance. Like, we have an inexpensive cafeteria in the office but it doesn't mean I can't get food elsewhere. Second, employer-provided healthcare was created as a side-effect of the stupid tax code that allowed employers but not employees to write off health insurance as business expense. So, we made a step backwards from money-based economy to the barter-based where people were paid by goods.

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Unions cannot lock the market in the U.S. because the closed shop is illegal.


Yeah, but except in some states with "Right to Work" laws, unions can force the new employees to join the union or to force them to pay the union dues.

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My point is that Uber treats its drivers poorly.


And our point that was explained by many people in many ways already is that there is no such thing as objectively bad treatment. It's all subjective. If a driver chooses to work with Uber, it means one thing only - Uber treats him, in HIS opinion, better than any other alternative. That's it.

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I prefer not to patronize businesses that treat their workers poorly simply because it comes on a cool looking app. Nor do I rush to bend or lessen regulations to make it easier to do so.


Sure, your call. By the way, Can we take a look at your scale of how much business should pay to different kinds of workers in order for you to patronize that business? Like what is your minimal wage for a cashier in a supermarket? How about waiter in a restaurant? How much should they pay for you to agree to patronize them?

Posted on: 2015/5/6 4:28
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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Lots of people work for jobs that they don't like. Lots of bosses treat their workers poorly. Uber bullies its drivers because they can and they use the loophole of "independent contractors" to shift costs onto the driver, as well as avoid complying with labor standards.



Lots of people do, but Uber really isn't a job, it's more like an independent distributorship or franchise, except nobody is locked into a 10-year contract or anything. These people who drive for Uber have the option to quit anytime they want or drive fewer hours, or even work for another app-based service like Lyft or Gett. I'm sure there are plenty of dissatisfied Uber drivers, but none of them are forced to stay with Uber, and they can work as little or as much as they want.

I'm also sure there are plenty of disgruntled taxicab and limo drivers who don't like the dispatch company they get their fares from either. What is your point here?


You can also add that whatever bad things they say about Uber, there are many people who find those conditions attractive and are willing to work with Uber. This is why the drivers don't have "leverage" - it's because many other people would gladly take their place.

Which is why JPhurst laments lack of unionization. For the union would allow current drivers to lock the market, and prevent other drivers from entering it.

By the way, here is for the history buffs: when the first significant unions were created in the USA, "National Labor Union" and "Order of the Knights of St. Crispin", their main theme was pure racism - they sought to exclude Chinese workers from competition.

Posted on: 2015/5/6 2:12
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Re: Jersey City to create LGBT advisory board
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So, basically, we have three positions expressed:

1. pebble notices that the government affords special privileges to the married people and he argues that it should extend the privileges to some other people too. He sees no issues with that.

2. Wishful_Thinking also notices the privileges and, on one hand, wants to be included in the number who gets those, but on the other is worried if that inclusion would make him "privileged" while leaving others behind. He sees no solution to the issue.

3. boris, dtjcview and Sommerman have no problem finding the solution. Easy-peasy: government-created privileges should be destroyed. The government should stop affording married people any special status and privileges, and should consider marriage purely as a form of a contract, regardless of who and how entered into that contract.

Finally, AlexC started by demanding that his opponent answered "Yes or No" whether he supports "marriage equality". Then, after less than 24 hours, he joined the position #3 and very forcefully opined on the side of the government withdrawal from the marriage business altogether.

Next question: could you give me an example of what sort of advice you believe our city council members need from the aforementioned advisory board? "Don't pass city ordinance to expel all minorities"? Like that? Well, I would hope that our councilmen should be able to figure it out on their own, no? Anyways, if you don't share my optimism, could you tell me if you suspect all the councilfolk or just some of them? Who?

Posted on: 2015/5/6 1:49
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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The entire "exploited workforce" argument, too, relies on a workforce too desperate to have another choice. Insane, then, to apply it to Uber drivers when you realize... these people have capital assets worth in excess of $25,000!  I can't remember the last time I got picked up in an UberX and it wasn't a in newer model full-size sedan or luxury crossover or SUV.  Sure, they may be financed, but the idea that Uber drivers are an exploited workforce just doesn't hold up to the reality.

Many of them would disagree with that.
Amazing how you claim that many of them would disagree, when we know for a fact that none of them actually does! And we do know it, because those who disagree would not work for Uber.
I know many who do.
So why don't they quit if it's not such a great company to work for?
I would put it differently: why don't they quit if they can start their own company using their cars and work for themselves without being exploited? Could it be because working for Uber gives them some benefits that exceed in value the downside of being "exploited"?

Posted on: 2015/5/5 5:00
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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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Yes, like all other NJ residents, I've benefitted from Christie's policies, especially his cap on municipal taxes. As for the personal attacks, they amuse me-because it always proves you've lost the argument when you resort to such silly attacks.

Can the admins change the thread title now that Obama's Feds have found Christie (and Guadagno) are squeaky clean? Will Whizzy and Googly Eyes get over the fact their 15 minutes of fame are up? (Oh, and let me add-it's not a personal attack when it's a public figure, like Whizzy, Whiney, and Googly Eyes!)

There are two items I find rather intersting:
1. Your constant need to refer to people with nicknames (Whizzy, Whiney and Googly Eyes) while equally complaining about others pointing out how grotesquely fat and disgusting our current governor is. I honestly have no idea idea who each of these nicknames refers to, but everyone knows who others refer to when they say the fat POS as governor.


I'd say you both look equally bad. Well, may be you look a tad worse. Your name-calling is noticeably more mean and hateful to my taste.

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2. As a person in an upper tax bracket, I find it rather odd you think that Christie's policies have benefited NJ. Some of his first courses of actions resulted in a heavy hit on the NJ pension system. Subsequent actions have resulted in decreased funding for education. To follow all of that up, he decided that it wasn't enough that Prudential, Panasonic, Goya, et al, continue to pay the state tax they were previously paying. Instead, they now place the burden of those state tax dollars on me.

I'm not sure why your tax bracket should affect your thinking on the subject. As for the substance of it, I find your first two examples interesting. When you mention pension system you seem to be equating NJ interests with interests of the NJ public employees, not NJ taxpayers. Then you mention that funding for education was decreased, but you said nothing about education results, again looking at it purely from the point of view of NJ public employees.

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Re: Jersey City to create LGBT advisory board
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@Alex, do you oppose Muslim religion practice that allows polyamorous marriages? Why single them out for discrimination? Where's the equality in that? Do you oppose equality? Why can't three people fully in love with each other have a legal union too?


I would like to add another question - in the movie "Chuck and Larry" the large part of the plot is based on the idea that the couple is investigated for fraud, because New York City suspects that they are not really gay.

So, my question, do you support same-sex marriages specifically for gay people, or do you support same-sex marriages for everyone?

Or, in the most generic way, do you support the idea that any group of consenting adults should be allowed to get married, regardless of who they are, or do you want some restrictions? If you do want restrictions, could you specify which ones and how exactly do you justify them.

P.S. In case you wonder, in my opinion a government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all. It should enforce the contracts people choose to make, but that's it.

Posted on: 2015/5/5 4:35
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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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P.S. Rorschach, do you actually know what "suck up" means? Did you fail to find a pejorative that would be applicable and decided to use a random one?


Yes boris, I know what suck-up means. While there is no way to know whether Monroe has benefited from Christie the Hutt being in office, his blind faith in all Christie's policies would indicate he has. Therefore, I'm guessing Monroe's lips have often been firmly planted on Christie's ass.


I wanted to say "nice try" but the try was very weak. Monroe made no statement whatsoever that would show anything that can be called "blind faith". I mean, I understand that you hate the guy, but would it kill you to try a little harder to come up with some minimally plausible attack?

P.S. By the way, if I understood you correctly, the only reason you know to have faith in someone is if you can get some material benefit out of it. That is quite remarkable.


Posted on: 2015/5/3 23:56
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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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Might shock you learn that some of us don't give a crap about Menendez, he was always clearly a little dirty. A sewer is a sewer no matter what party


It doesn't shock me in the slightest. When a guy who's known to be dirty wins first the primaries and then the general elections in a heavily blue state, where Democrats can elect whomever they want - why would it shock me when it actually confirms so many conclusion I made?

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I grew up on LI where Al D'Amato ran the GOP machine, exact same thing as Menendez.
Enjoy your crowing, your guy is NOT going to DC in any office. He's done.


Eh, I think you are somewhat confused.
Menendez is not being charged with "running the Democrat machine".

P.S. Rorschach, do you actually know what "suck up" means? Did you fail to find a pejorative that would be applicable and decided to use a random one?

Posted on: 2015/5/3 20:20
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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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I do seem to remember many people guaranteeing that he would end up indicted. Wonder if they are eating some crow.


Show ain't over yet.

Hey Boris, nice post, no crazy talk.


Thank you, I was not sleeping well knowing you dislike my posts.

Posted on: 2015/5/3 13:37
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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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The entire "exploited workforce" argument, too, relies on a workforce too desperate to have another choice. Insane, then, to apply it to Uber drivers when you realize... these people have capital assets worth in excess of $25,000!  I can't remember the last time I got picked up in an UberX and it wasn't a in newer model full-size sedan or luxury crossover or SUV.  Sure, they may be financed, but the idea that Uber drivers are an exploited workforce just doesn't hold up to the reality.

Many of them would disagree with that.
Amazing how you claim that many of them would disagree, when we know for a fact that none of them actually does! And we do know it, because those who disagree would not work for Uber.

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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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The idea that any grown adult freely entering into an agreement with another party to perform work in a given arrangement is "exploitation" is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. How little respect do you have for these drivers that you think that they are incapable of making their own choices on how to participate in the economy?


If it helps, I promise this will be my last word on the subject: sigh.


It was also your only word. You don't know how to argue your position. So you pretend that you do have arguments - but! - you just don't feel like we deserve to hear those. Hence, yet again, the condescending "sigh".


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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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Sinking how? Do you not know that his term in office is limited?


Let's see :

Definitely no Presidential nomination. Probably no VP nod. Probably no job at Justice if a Republican wins the White House.

It looks like he's destined to be another talking head on Faux News.


In order to proclaim that his presidential prospects are "sinking" it is sort of necessary to first establish that he actually had some prospects before.

I'm afraid he didn't.

For many years now he finishes last in any straw poll of the active Republican voters, the ones who do participate in those polls. Hard to imagine why it would be otherwise - in NJ a person can be denied second amendment rights after being accused of a crime, with no conviction, and Christie sees nothing to act upon there.

Neither is he the choice of the party nomenclature - Jeb is.

Whatever fight there will be within the party, Christie just aint in it.

P.S. Why didn't you mention that he can appoint himself in Menendez' stead?

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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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Amusing watching Monroe rearrange the deck chairs on the sinking S.S. Christie

Sinking how? Do you not know that his term in office is limited?

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... Clinton has yet to appear in an open forum to answer questions about 30,000 (!) deleted emails, thereby avoiding FOI laws.

I protest! Those were private emails.
It's tots plausible that she had 30,000 private emails from her closest friends who knew her secret email address.

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Re: UBER - car service in Jersey City
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The most telling aspect of this discussion is we see a service that we like, the drivers see a job that they want, and you see a "corporation" that you must attack, just because it's there.

Anyway, here something that a friend of mine always says to people like you: start your own service. According to you, it's possible to charge the same as Uber or even less, while paying drivers more and with some benefits. So, if you're right, your new business will easily outcompete Uber as both a service provider and as employer. You'll prove your point, you'll do a lot of good for everyone, and you'll get rich while doing it. A trifecta!

If you believe in the things that you proclaim, you have no good reason not to do it.



People like me?? I can?t possibly know what you mean by that, so I?m going with objective? and since you?re being so generous, let?s throw in tall and good looking?you flatterer, you!


Actually I meant "people who proclaim that they know better how to run other people's business". In any case I am happy to congratulate you on being tall and good looking. In the course of human history there were many societies where those qualities alone would have given you a leg up in any debate. I'm not sure that we live in one of those, unfortunately.

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Ultimately, it?s objectivity that?s my reason for finding fault with the particular way that Uber uses independent contractors to reduce operating costs?which in turn allows them to maintain profits while simultaneously reducing the costs to consumers. A company cannot facilitate what Uber does at Uber-rate prices while playing by the same rules as a taxi company, paying the same taxes and licensing fees, and providing equitable treatment to the drivers who do all the work.


Actually if "objectivity" were the reason for your "fault finding", you wouldn't use those highly subjective terms like "equitable treatment".

Second, I'm pretty sure that Uber pays the same taxes. As for the licensing fees - it's not Uber's fault that someone else imposed those fees on the taxi companies. Taxi companies and city governments invented those fees in order to establish a cartel for medallion-holders. By the same account you could start lamenting the fact the Uber avoids paying bribes.

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... However, cost cutting can turn to means that are not sustainable for our consumer-based economy, and that?s where those practices become?oh no not again?a race to the bottom.


You keep repeating those words without ever explaining what you mean by them. It's like a generic "yes, sure, something X makes our lives easier, but it may also cause problems". Ok. Anything specific? No? Thanks, come back when you have something.

Also, ok, let's imagine that Uber will not be able to "sustain" those cost-cutting and will go out of business.
What's you problem than? How is that something that should worry anyone except Uber investors?

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If the consulting firm I work for required that I supplied virtually everything that permits me do my job, I would be working for a crazy bunch of pricks?but I don?t


It's like proclaiming that an owner of a BYOB restaurant is a crazy prick because you personally would never go to a restaurant that doesn't have a full bar!

This is your problem. What you proclaim to be "objective" measures are in fact your subjective likes and dislikes. It's all a matter of choice. Some people like a full bar. Some people like to bring their own wine. Some people like their employer to put up all the capital needed to do the job and be paid purely like hired hands. Some people prefer to add their own capital to the mix.

A person may go drive for Uber, or drive for a cab company, or they can start their own one-driver cab company, - depending on what they are willing to invest on their own and what they want to be provided by someone else. If they chose Uber, it's because they WANT it. It's because they don't want 100% ownership of their own firm, and they don't want to be 100% hired-hand of a cab company, they want something in-between.

It doesn't matter that you wouldn't make the same decision. What you want, your preferences - those are not universally good things. If you don't like to risk your own capital it's just your own subjective preference. It doesn't mean it is wrong for everybody. If you prefer to be a 9-to-5 hired hand, it doesn't mean this is the Only True Way to earn money.

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Finally, and since you brought up the put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is thing, how?s your $200,000 Grove St. elevator project coming?


I'm not sure how this comparison works. I claimed that PA overpays for the elevator. Do you challenge me to start my own Port Authority and to show how I can buy elevators at lower cost?

Posted on: 2015/5/1 19:36
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