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because hey, why have an intelligent political discussion when you can just post memes all day?

That's funny ... and you consider the crap coming from Trump and lies from Hillary as "intelligent political discussion"!

Do I? Based on what exactly?

Sorry to inform you whoelsecouldibe, but you're not a political party advocate, policy maker, running for office, paid representative, professional journalist or Trump's / Hillary's campaign official - basically you're just a vocal sideline cheerleader.

I would much rather discuss politics with a rational swinging voter, not a person who blindly follows (like a sheep) one specific party for life as one does a football team.




I'm also convinced that any person with a law degree or has a team of lawyers around them are master's of deception and lying, thus the wrong credentials to manage a nation for the people ... Both Hillary and Trump are fully aware that they can talk crap about what they will and will not do if elected and BOTH have a history of talking siht ... Both are fully aware that they are only accountable of what they say in a formal legal environment (eg. Courtrooms)

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because hey, why have an intelligent political discussion when you can just post memes all day?

That's funny ... and you consider the crap coming from Trump and lies from Hillary as "intelligent political discussion"!

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The plague, the printing press and Byzantine influence did more to rekindle western civilisation than the classics copied by the Irish monks - who arguably weren't even part of the Roman Catholic church.

To elaborate on your mention of Byzantium, far too little credit is given to the influence of the Islamic Golden Age, they were exploring math and science while the Church was keeping European princes at each others throats to consolidate their own power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Sadly, pogroms and genocide will continue while we have folks like Yvonne in our global idiocracy.

At least I don't hide behind a phony name trashing someone. Actually, ISIS terrorists do the same thing, they cover their faces when speaking on video. So you and ISIS are cut from the same cloth with your phony name.

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Sometime in the 1980s my husband went to Radio City Music Hall to see a performance. He told me he saw Trump and his wife in the audience. The seats in front, back, and on the sides were empty. Trump has or did have a germ phobia. So the idea he would sit next to an unknown woman on a commercial airplane seems far fetched.

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Trump is dead wrong on one of his main platforms (that China is taking our manufacturing jobs)

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Global manufacturing is trending in a positive direction for the U.S. Factory jobs are on the rise here, and many of these new jobs are coming back to North America from China, which is struggling to maintain its manufacturing capacity.

Since March, 2010, when manufacturing employment in the U.S. hit a trough of 11.45 million jobs, nearly a million new factory positions have been created, most of them in the Southern states, particularly North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.

Better still, the jobs are typically good ones: across that same five-year period, average hourly manufacturing wages have increased over ten per cent, to more than twenty dollars. On the whole, U.S. manufacturing, as measured by the Purchasing Managers? Index, has steadily expanded.

http://www.newyorker.com/business/cur ... ufacturing-jobs-and-china

Don't inject facts here, this is about what 135jc FEELS is true. Like the 29% of American who are still sure Obama is a Muslim. They feel it in their hearts. Besides, you can't trust anything published by anyone but Breitbart.

I've never read Breitbart! You need common sense to understand what I'm talking about. You want to talk about manufacturing? Every time I'm out in the harbor I see ship after ship come in full and then go back empty.

Global manufacturing is trending in a positive direction for the U.S. Factory jobs are on the rise here, and many of these new jobs are coming back to North America from China, which is struggling to maintain its manufacturing capacity.

Since March, 2010, when manufacturing employment in the U.S. hit a trough of 11.45 million jobs, nearly a million new factory positions have been created, most of them in the Southern states, particularly North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.

Better still, the jobs are typically good ones: across that same five-year period, average hourly manufacturing wages have increased over ten per cent, to more than twenty dollars. On the whole, U.S. manufacturing, as measured by the Purchasing Managers? Index, has steadily expanded.

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I stand by my assessment that Europe spent their way into a recession.

Beliefs without facts are great for religions, not so much for economics. The recession we shared with Europe was caused by the collapse of housing markets overheated by irresponsibly managed credit markets. From Iceland to Spain to California, the story was the same, loose credit inflaming housing followed by collapse.

We did market stimulus and have pulled our way out, though not as much as we would have had the GOP congress blocked Obama's more expansive infrastructure plans, Europe chose austerity and is still in the shitter. I don't know what world you live in.

This recovery has been the slowest in US history. The fact remains more Americans are on welfare and food stamps then 8yrs ago.

Even if that's true, (link your source) what's your point? That it would be better had we had lowered taxes and had true austerity rather than the truncated stimulus? That if the 1% had EVEN MORE of the nations wealth they would have invested it in jobs for low skilled?

You keep mentioning the recovery so I pointed out it has not been so great. I believe my original statement was that following a financial model of Europe is not the best plan.

people crack me up. of course,the recovery has not been that great. sure, china has taken a lot of manufacturing jobs from the us, but even china is not that cheap anymore. more manufacturing is shifting to vietnam, bangladesh and ethiopia. i believe workers in ethiopia are very happy to make $40 a month.

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Culture as we know it, art, music, architecture, science, universities, even law came from the Catholic Church. Robert Ballarmine wrote about the dignity of mankind. His writings were found in Thomas Jefferson library. Jefferson actually lifted his writing on the 3 different branches of government. The problem here, people do not know history.

The Catholic Church had little intellectual property (or material property for that matter) it didn't steal. The Renaissance by definition was a rediscovery of Roman and Greek art, architecture and rhetoric. The Church persecuted scientists like Galileo for being threats to it's superstitions. The Western Law traditions originated with Greece, Rome and Jewish Law.

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The Ten Commandments and many other elements of Hebrew law provided a major source for the development of western legal systems and democracy.

Three thousand years ago, the ancient Hebrew people lived in the Near East in an area called Canaan. This ancient people developed the idea of monotheism, the belief in one god. They believed that their god gave them laws to regulate their society, their religious practices, and their relationships with other people.

Conquered by the neo-Babylonians and later by the Romans, the Hebrews eventually became a scattered people, living in many countries under different legal systems. But they continued to develop their own law and tried to follow it even in foreign lands. Their law was based on the Ten Commandments and other sacred writings, which today we find in the Hebrew Bible. In developing their law, they sometimes borrowed legal concepts from other civilizations as well as passing on their own ideas. The Jewish law that developed influenced Roman law, English law, and our own Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

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Culture as we know it, art, music, architecture, science, universities, even law came from the Catholic Church. Robert Ballarmine wrote about the dignity of mankind. His writings were found in Thomas Jefferson library. Jefferson actually lifted his writing on the 3 different branches of government. The problem here, people do not know history.

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Was education available for the masses during the Greek and early Roman period? Was healthcare available for the masses? The answer is no. The Kings and Queens of Europe collected money to build up their armies. It was the Catholic Church is Europe that build schools, universities, hospitals, brought about the study of science, had discussions on the dignity of man, and stopped the practice of fathers selling their daughters in marriage. The list can go on but I suggest you read the book.

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Trump is on trial, today, for raping an underage child.

Given that he had a proclivity to walk in on children while they were getting dressed, Link, with some as young as 15, it really doesn't surprise me.

Bill Clinton isn't running for president, thankfully. However, Trump is. Trump is the guy that walks in on underage girls getting dressed. That is a man that might just be a pedophile...

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So you're trolling?

I hope not. The last thing I want to do is upset someone. I merely am responding to the gibberish coming out of someone's mouth with the same.

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Oh, you were being serious?

Not really, but trying to see where we can go, haha

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Pew research poll, one of the most respected polling organizations around has asked over the last few years, "Which one group of people are least likely to vote for President." This shows the one group that Americans are most bigoted towards. Do you know what that one group is? Atheists. so don't tell me that Atheists don't have anything to fear.

Americans dislike atheists because they are immoral and unAmerican.

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Trump making rare N.J. appearance Saturday to talk about terrorism
By Susan K. Livio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on October 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM, updated October 11, 2016 at 11:11 AM

TRENTON ? Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is scheduled to make a rare campaign appearance in New Jersey on Saturday when he is keynote speaker at a charity event hosted by the Republican Hindu Coalition, according to the organization's website.

The event, "Humanity United Against Terror," featuring Trump, terrorism survivors and Indian and Bollywood performers, will be held at the New Jersey Convention and Exposition Center in Edison, the coalition's website said.

"This is a charity concert organized for the benefit of terror victims in various countries," Shalabh Kumar, founder of the Republican Hindu Coalition and chairman of the Indian American Advisory Council to the Republican Party told the Indian media in New Delhi. Ticket prices range from $9.99 to $499, although the cheapest seats are sold out.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... sm.html#incart_river_home

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Sources please? Think you are confusing Trump with Wild Bill and his plane ? rides with the millionaire pedohile. Have to chuckle... Wouldn't your signature dismiss any opinions on Trump language?

According to legal documents, Trump has been accused of raping a 13-year-old child, raping his ex-wife, and attempting to rape a former business associate. He vehemently denies all of these accusations?and it should be noted anyone can file a civil complaint in court, and a complaint is by no means proof of allegations. That being said, the accusations are chilling.

http://fusion.net/story/355643/trump- ... e-sexual-assault-stories/

Nice so story says he was hanging out with Jeffery Epstein 25 years ago... where do I know that name???

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/13 ... offender-jeffrey-epstein/

And apparently Hillary knows him too???

I popped Epstein name in Wikileaks and first try up pops an email with HRC daily news briefing... direct from email, spelling error is email writer,

" The Guardian story, by highlighting the fact that some of the Clinton Foundation?s donors have been maintaining bank accounts in Switzerland, has focussed attention on its sources of financing rather than its makeover or its philanthropic activities. Among the donors named by the Guardian were the British retail mogul Richard Caring; Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who appeared earlier this week at C.G.I.?s annual winter meeting, in New York; and Jeffrey Epstein, a New York financier who was jailed in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from underage girls. According to the Clinton Foundation?s donor database, Giustra and charities linked to him have donated at least fifty million dollars. In 2006, Epstein gave twenty-five thousand dollars, the Guardian said. Other donors to the foundation who were identified as clients of H.S.B.C.?s Geneva office included Eli Broad, the Californian entrepreneur and philanthropist, and Denise Rich, whose former husband, the fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich, was pardoned by Bill Clinton just before he left office, in 2001. "

In case you don't recognize the Canadian "mineral magnet name" HRC okayed the sale of his uranium mining company to the Russians as SoS... allowing Russia to corner the global market on raw uranium.

Don't u realize it does not matter what Hillary does. Democratic voters will
back her regardless. These people are screaming how unstable Trump is but were saying the same things about Romney and Paul Ryan 4 yrs ago. If Hillary wins then in 4 yrs the next Republican candidate will be the "worst ever" as well.

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Had enough of same crap from RED and BLUE ?

Give GREEN a go !

Will you be making any arguments or will you just continue to spam?

Arguments, seriously ! Both the Trump and Hillary are doing enough frat-house arguing and displaying disgraceful behavior to have them both thrown out from their parties - Both have enough skeletons in the closet to have everyone fearful ... It ain't a halloween prank !

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unsurprisingly absent, our own state's alleged leader

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Had enough of same crap from RED and BLUE ?

Give GREEN a go !

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How much would her plans add to the national debt?

Does it matter?

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And, while we're at it - puppies for everyone! And free beer every Thursday! And replace cars with flying unicorns!

Jill Stein is a crazy person who believes in homeopathy and believes that Wi-Fi is frying our brains. Her candidacy simply shows how wacko the Greens are.

I was with you until you wanted to take away the car. Where will we park these unicorns?!?!

Of course it matters.

Why? She has likely a chance at being president as I do.

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Robert De Niro on TRUMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfW2TiPAKsw

De Niro sums up Trump in less then 1 minute ... my thoughts exactly.

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When law and order is finally restored in Washington DC and Lying Hillary, Humma and Mills are brought to justice, can the FBI be indicted as co-conspirators?


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/doj ... nton-case/article/2603450

When did we last have law and order?

Certainly not under this administration

http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/book-det ... med-to-let-hillary-skate/

That wasn't an answer

It's just amazing to me how many things Clinton does is just swept under the rug by the libs with a shoulder shrug. However once Trump (someone who has not been preparing for this position for the last 12 yrs) has something surface they are all over it. Take a look at your own candidate. Every day something surfaces and is just ignored.

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And, while we're at it - puppies for everyone! And free beer every Thursday! And replace cars with flying unicorns!

Jill Stein is a crazy person who believes in homeopathy and believes that Wi-Fi is frying our brains. Her candidacy simply shows how wacko the Greens are.

I was with you until you wanted to take away the car. Where will we park these unicorns?!?!

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I think this is an exaggeration. There will always be people resisting and there are always people who are more that ready and willing to embrace the melting pot idea. You think the reason we are talking to each other in English today is because of nativists? No my friend, it is because immigrants like myself believe in America and we were welcomed by it despite my funny sounding language. I grew up here, went to school here, and work here with people who went through the same thing although not all the same experiences and with different degrees of assimilation. If you are claiming that America is over then I claim we are just getting started.

Except that your family knew learning english was part of the deal. That we had set holidays, a national language, a specific culture - and that adaptation to that was expected. That isn't really true anymore. Maybe your family would have adapted anyway, but maybe not. Regardless, other families that didn't want to adapt didn't move here. Now, they are perfectly happy moving here - after all, they can get public housing, food stamps, social security, etc.