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Re: Angels Update
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Neeners wrote:
I filled out the form when I was at the meeting, but then I didn't hear anything back. Should I email with my information?


Hi Neeners! I spoke to pchops this afternoon and she said she had gotten in touch, or left messages, for everyone who's form she had.

Still, if you haven't heard from her just contact her at jcnwa@comcast, say who you are and give her your email and phone # and you need address for this Friday's mtg.

PM me or email me if you haven't heard from her by tomorrow, Wednesday and I'll send you the address info for internal mtg. this Friday. She's running around much today, her son has a bday, trying to book a GA space with me and OneSkirt, mtg. w/Mike of the GA, going to VVPA mtg. tonight to try and get space, so excuse her if she hasn't gotten to you for some reason.

Hope to see you this Friday!

Posted on: 2006/2/22 0:57
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We should remind everyone that not only women are victims of crime or assault. Last year a man was attacked.

See old thread:

GAY BASHING 1 Block from Grove path -- near Van Vorst


Absolutely right on! Unfortunately, gay bashing has been going on here in downtown JC since I've lived here over 20+ years and continues.

Good point Annod and hope you come to Downtown Watch mtg. this friday or GA mtg. when it's set up.

Posted on: 2006/2/21 2:30
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Bright - Pam from JCNWA was informed too, and came to check it out But again - I think she heard very last minute like me.

You're all welcome for the informative report, btw.

...There has been no "official" public meeting yet in order to address the residents so you haven't been left out of anything. I have been trying to get a space so one could be had.

...Maybe some of you didn't mean it this way - but your tones are coming off a bit as if someone is keeping stuff from you. Well, no one is and I would appreciate it if you would calm down.

....I am not obligated to share anything with you guys, but I do because I am just as interested and concerned a resident as most of you. But I'm not going to continue if this is the type of reactionary response that comes of it. We're all just as curious as to what's happening. We're all concerned.

...This will not be a JCNWA sponsored/run meeting (or any other group for that matter). It will be the GAs own meeting - they will run it.

...When something is set up, you will all be notified.




Thank you for the report, OneSkirt. We all appreciate your sharing with us just as we appreciate jc_insomniac and pchops at jcnwa's sharing info here.

I don't think any of us feel we've been "...left out of anything.", OneSkirt.

Just so you know, you are not alone in trying to book a mtg. for the GA's as I spoke to Mike of the GA's and pchops(not using her name here by choice for her safety) that last Monday at JCNWA/Van Vorst Watch mtg. and Grace Church the next day about booking space for the GA's public mtg.

My contact at Grace Church told me they are doing rehearsals for Godspell in church space but that we might could get the gym space again if available on their calendar. Pchops and I spoke and our jcnwa contact who is member of Grace Church will call them to see if we are able to book space there for the GA mtg.

While we appreciate that this GA mtg. will be run by them, I think you should understand too that not just JCNWA, but also Van Vorst Park Neighborhood Watch and other groups have been working on these issues and will continue to work on these issues. Mike of the GA told me he welcomed enthusiatically our support at JCNWA/Van Vorst Park Watch and all groups and individuals to reach out to the GA.

It was the JCNWA/Van Vorst Watch who invited Mike and the GA's in January to speak,and I agreed with you and others that night that there was obvious miscommunication about their introduction/speaking at Feb mtg.

Even with this mishap I don't think this means the Watch groups don't deserve our support as it is they who first organized to deal with crime problems along with working with police, and they who invited Mike and the GA in January to speak before the Dixon Deli/Vega events even happened.

My point is you are not alone in wanting this mtg. to take place and we should welcome all groups, individuals, councilpersons, etc. who want to reach out to the Guardian Angels to not only come to this mtg. but actively support the GA by announcing their support.

The GA do not work in a vaccum as my long post on this thread earlier attests to their primary focus NOT being crime patrols,but getting the already established neighborhood watch groups to work with the GA's as they help us help ourselves.

The GA is not meant to be our own "private police" which is why those who do not understand their mission criticize them without knowing they engage a community by working with what is already in place and this is why NYC works with the GA's and cities throughout the US.

It's nice that you will notify us when something is set up.

We at JCNWA will do the same here for you and everyone at JCLIst if we book the meeting space for the GA's, and yes the GA's will run the mtg. not us.

Posted on: 2006/2/21 2:13
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Bright, I just sent you and the JCNWA an email.


WOW! I got your email, replied and hope you know that I not only appreciate all your outreach here and to jcnwa, but my perhaps too nuanced point is that there are others at JCList (definitely NOT you!) who all they do is complain, shoutout to others to help and don't do any of the nitty gritty themselves. They know who they are, but you jc-insomniac I find always to be the friendly, reasonable person who reaches out to everyone.

Please accept my public apologies if you felt different from what I posted below. Sometimes trying to be nuanced doesn't work on these boards, and I'm sorry.


I look forward to seeing and working with you this Friday.

Posted on: 2006/2/20 22:53
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I won't go into all the detail on the extension of Jersey Avenue which spans over 10 years. Check out my old website on the history of this battle & yes I'm very happy we stopped the roadway which would have been disastrous.

http://stopbretschundler.com/JA.htm

and Steve Lanset?s site

http://www.hartwheels.org/JerseyAveFile.html


As for Liberty State Park and that bridge, the city gave FREE land/ easement to 55LotDev LLC to build a roadway on the park side to connect to a landlocked, polluted piece of land, which the developers paid $1 million in 1998. As expected, they built the road on our land then flipped the lot for big bucks. The consideration/payment for that easement was for them to renovate the walkway with new lighting, planking, railing, landscaping, bike path etc.... They never finished the bridge as specified. The project is now to be "the View".

If you want to do something worthwhile, I encourage you to pressure the mayor & Bob Cotter to have the new developers live up to the agreement to rehab that bridge or take back the land due to breach of contract?

Last fall, I walked the area with Stve Fulop, DT Councilman, to find out it's part of Viola Richardson's ward, Bergen Lafayette. Pressure her.... Good luck... I have all the details & copies of the ordinance which was extended for another year but still the developers didn't finish the project.

Sam Pesin, Friends of Liberty State Park, can fill you in on the latest transportation study for that entire area.... He could also use some volunteers...

Mia Scanga


Anyone who wants to do more than post here should read all of Mia's chronicle of this boondoggle. She and Sam Pesin, Friends of Liberty State Park, are just two of the people who we have to thank for protecting both the Park and Downtown JC from Robert Moses-like power politics of development.

If you read the numerous threads here on JCList, re: "traffic study", "route 139", etc, you will know that downtown JC already will be impacted until 2010 with the route 139 construction causing commuters to be re-routed and many will like water seeking the path of least resistance, flow like land turds into our neighborhoods so we hardly need another ward politician making deals with developers to continue land grabs for fast-track thoughtless development.

That being said, I among most, would agree we need lights on the "rape bridge" and improvement of what Mia spells out above was already paid to be done. Once again, it requires activists to proffer for politicians and developers to deliver and that only happens if you get involved beyond this board.

Start with calling/emailing Sam Pesin if you're serious.

Friends of Liberty State Park:
http://www.folsp.org/homepage.htm

Sam Pesin: pesinliberty@earthlink.net

The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York

"...in constructing one section of the Cross-Bronx Expressway and the way Moses ran roughshod over the interests of a neighborhood the road effectively destroyed, ran as an excerpt in The New Yorker."


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Posted on: 2006/2/20 22:38
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Re: Angels Update
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I'm curious though, who organized the meeting and disseminated the press release?

Anyway, I agree with you. As someone else posted on another thread, the JCNWA is far from perfect, and it needs everyone's support to ensure its continued success. Without the neighborhood's support, it can't advance its mission, which is exactly the same as GA's.

So, when IS the next GA public meeting?


I don't know who "...organized the meeting and disseminated the press release?", either, but I know jcnwa didn't.

Maybe OneSkirt knows, since she seems to be trying to organize a public GA mtg on her own.

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"...A few of us concerned neighbors are working to secure a public space that the GAs can use one evening to host an open forum for the community. This will be announced to every outlet we can think of so that those who want to listen and talk can come. The GAs would like a chance to introduce themselves, explain their mission and why they are here. They are also interested in taking questions from the comunity members and starting a dialogue with us."


As you know by your emails, jc_insomniac, there is an internal meeting of the JCNWA/Downtown Watch this Friday @ 7PM that anyone who wants to attend just needs to contact jcnwa@comcast.net for location and rsvp.

I know that you and I will be there, and hopefully others here will join us in your outreach, jc_insomniac.

I do know that OneSkirt was invited to this meeting along with both of us, and many others. It's open to anyone but ALL must make the effort to signup and come, as both you and I and others have done here.

I also know that you, myself, pchops(JCNWA), and others at JCNWA are making the effort by doing the work, (not just posting,) of making calls, reaching out to get a public space for the Guardian Angels.

As we both know,it's not enough for anyone to call for a meeting, they must do like us and "walk the walk", not just "talk the talk", as you jc_insomniac and others here are doing.


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Posted on: 2006/2/20 22:01
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Re: Angels Update
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"This morning there was a not so well publicized "press conference" style meeting outside the Dixon Deli with 7-8 GAs including Curtis Swila. Cameras from Fox & UPN were covering it, as well as some local papers. Former Mayor Brett Schundler spoke, giving his official endorsement of the GAs. Councilman Fulop was also in attendance, though he did not speak. Pam from the Neighborhood Watch also spoke in response to an attendee's question. "
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I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND I'M TOTALLY PISSED!!! AND I'M NOT KIDDING!


The only notice I received about this "press conference" was through a JCNWA/Downtown Watch email that was sent out Sunday night at 9:30PM. This is what it said:

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Hello all! It's -----.

Please join the Guardian Angels tomorrow at 11am, Dixon Deli, 358 Varick St. as Curtis Sliwa and the Guardian Angels receives their endorsement from Brett Schundler, (former Mayor of JC). They will discuss helping downtown and the other parts of Jersey City fight crime.

Thanks!
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I understand your being pissed that this was not at least posted here (I've been "formally" told NOT to disclose JCNWA email here by "principals", so until upcoming internal mtg. where I intend to bring this up, I defer).

However, Minnie, no one else posted this info here whether from Fulop, OneSkirt, GA's, jc_insomniac or others here at JCList signed up for the jcnwaj@comcast mail list.

Also, no newspaper, radio station, tv, etc, made this known that I heard or saw.

What jc_insomniac, pchops, myself and others have repeatedly suggested on JCList, is for everyone to sign up for the jcnwa@comcast.net mailings and then you would have known and others here as well.

My further suggestion is that you and others here sign up and say you want to attend the Downtown Watch internal mtg. this Friday, Jan 24th at pchops place if you want to contribute your input, suggestions, criticisms, etc.

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Officer Dana O'Reilly who refuses to use this venue for communicating with the community.


Not true, jc_insomniac. This incorrect info was posted early on and I replied to that misinformation from the first Downtown Watch that PO Reilly and her boss, Captain McDonough attended together last early fall of 2005.

As I said then, Captain McDonough informed everyone at that mtg. that PO Reilly works for him, she has lots of work to do for him and he has specifically informed her NOT to post here.

He also said that Officer Mac's post were neither official or sanctioned by his office,and as much as we all found them informative sometimes things got out of hand so new day.

The reasons apart from PO Reilly's workload are that as great a job as Officer Mac did, there was a tendency of this board to want to swap trashtalk, tete a tete which is non-productive and a no win task for any PO. I agree, as witness the most recent Downtown Watch mtg. You want to complain is fine, but meet them face to face and complain to their face not behind their back

I think it fair to call the PD, McDonough, Fulop, Troy or others to task face to face or question their data before them, etc, as I did in person Monday night. It is not fair to hide behind avatars of various cartoon figures and do it anonymously, as I think you might agree.

Captain McDonough made it clear that both check this board regularly for info but they aren't going to get into a pi$$ing contest with JCListers.

If you, or anyone have something to say in person than show up at any of the varied meetings they attend monthly and ask them straight up. Or email them directly below. They deserve our support as well as our criticism IMHO.

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The Captain also stated that since both he and Officer Reilly, the new Community Services Officer, both attend many neighborhood and Watch group meetings, that it was more appropriate for everyone, including JCList posters, to contact them either directly or meet with them personally at these meetings.

Here is the contact info for both:

Captain McDonough and Officer Reilly:
Phone: (201) 547-5470
Email: jcpdeastdistrict@yahoo.com

I can vouch for how quickly they returned my query by email as I just heard from Officer Reilly before I posted this info today from email I sent yesterday




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Re: The Guardian Angels are Coming
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Minnie - This was my first time at one of these meetings. I didn't feel that anything productive happened at the meeting at all. Just a bunch of statistics and back and forth about whether or not crime was getting worse. And going over a list of previous crimes that happened in the last few months. I would have liked to have heard discussion about what can be done (or is being done) to improve things, or how we as residents can help.

The strangest thing though was that there were 4 Guardian Angles present and never once did the meeting leaders introduce them or give them the floor to speak. It was like the elephant in the room that no one talked about. I don't get it. Some of these guys came all the way from Manhattan to help too.


Hey OneSkirt, nice to meet you, SkaDave and Neeners tonight. Thanks for coming out even if, and I agree, it was disappointing for the way the mtg was conducted.

I agree with most of what you say here, particularly embarassing I thought, was that the GA's were never acknowledged, welcomed or introduced officially left me with my mouth open.

And as I related to you and the other JCListers I felt it was like the elephant in the room no one would address ( I did say something to the "principal" next to me at the end about was she going to welcome them at least and thank them for coming: no answer). I also made it a point to say something to the other "principal" as she was leaving that we JCListers were all dissapointed the GA's weren't introduced, this while the GA guys were there.

I had a chance to speak with Mike of the GA's who lives in JC and the other two from Harlem and Brooklyn. We spoke at length after the mtg. and I apologized on behalf of those who should have properly introduced them and let them speak. They were good-natured about it and said they hope we all turn out Tuesday at 1PM at Dixon Deli. They also said they would come to any mtg we might set up and I said I would speak to the Harsimus Cove Assn. this Wed. about inviting them to speak.

Just so you are aware while one of the "principals" posts here and is supportive of JCList at least one or more others of the "principals" who formed this watch group disdains JCList queries for more info and I think is too controlling of all info that is expressed at the mtgs. and would prefer none of it be posted here, just so you know. I'm sure she was not happy to see the GA there and was probably clueless that they had been invited to speak by one of the other "principals".

One of the reasons I think others from here at JCList should come is so to voice your concerns you post here about lack of info from these watch groups and they don't become a clique of control freaks of info we all need from the police dept. to keep us informed. Luckily, Steve Fulop posts both here and maintains an excellent web site for this info.

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OneSkirt wrote: "And going over a list of previous crimes that happened in the last few months."


Part of the problem is these monthly mtgs. always have a written "agenda" that rehashes the reported downtown crimes that have appeared here, the Jersey Journal or been emailed by listservers from the various neighborhood groups such as Harsimus Cove, Hamilton Park, and the Downtown & Van Vorst Park Neighborhood Watch groups who's mtg this was tonight.

I kept copious notes and it was not until 8PM, an hour after mtg. started, that we finally got item #1 on the "past crimes list agenda" over. The "principal" was adamant about covering these past crimes list, all of which Captain McDonough could only basically repeat the same info on the page and relate info hardly useful that I could see for anyone's benefit. McDonough even seemed to be mildly bemused to irritated on covering the same ground already reported in newspapers, here, etc.

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OneSkirt wrote:"Just a bunch of statistics and back and forth about whether or not crime was getting worse."


On this point, which you and the "principal" of the agenda agree on (she even interrupted my query to McDonough with a dismissive air that "...the statistics aren't important but the crimes are", as if we don't all know that that's why we were there.), I must say "au contraire"

I disagree completely with both of you about the stats not being useful and here's why:

All the papers, Steve Fulop, etc, are writing about the increase of crime downtown.Even you and others there tonight came to relate your stories, ask for what to do to help, etc while

Captain McDonough was detailing how his review of "comparable stats for the beginning six month period in 2005 to the latter period of 2005" showed that crime was in fact down (!) in all 5 areas the PD monitors in the East District, which is contrary to what Fulop and media are reporting, including:

*Stolen Auto
*Burglary/Theft Residences (B&T)
*Burglary/Theft Auto
*Robbery
*Aggravated Assault Non-Domestic (AA)

Captain McDonough states that crime is NOT on the upswing downtown and in fact all of the above areas had decreases, some substantial, with only AA remaining the same.

On the face of it this seems to me incredulous particularly the latter, AA, when we've all read of increased assaults downtown over the past several months.

So I was the only one to ask the Captain anything after his voluminous stat recitation, and my question to him was thus:

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brightmoment to Captain McDonough:

"Since the East District consists of 6 Zones and the residential area that most of us live in is Zone 3, 4 & 6 covering Paulus Hook,Hamilton Park, Harsimus Cove and Van Vorst Park, are the stats for these Zones higher or lower as far as his reported decrease in crime in the East District? "


It's very possible that the other 3 Zones have had decreases in crime since Zone 5 is more industrial covering above 12th St North to Hoboken Ave, West to Monmouth and East to the Holland Tunnel and Hudson River.

To be fair to the Captain he said he would see if he could break that out and "get back to us" or "have a discussion".

To my mind if someone is going to claim lower crime stats downtown I want it broken down Zone by Zone in the East District and we can all make up our own minds as to whether crime is down or up in our neighborhoods.

Understand that I don't fault Captain McDonough on his inability to deploy more officers as we now have only 10-14 officers deployed in the East District per shift and as you can see from the map below it's not only huge but the Captain states there are approximately 60,000 residents and over 100k working in the daytime in our East District.

This is why the stats ARE important and it is the basis of which "facts" are correct, is crime downtown on the upswing or downswing, which will determine the effectiveness of our campaign to get more deployment of PO's downtown especially with the new class of PO's graduating this Spring that Steve Fulop said he would lobby for downtown.

As OneSkirt said tomorrow is a gathering of the Guardian Angels at 1PM with possibly Curtis Sliwa there, Mike and other GA's and I hope to be there to give them our support and Dixon Deli as well. Mike and I discussed his making further appearances at neighborhood groups where hopefully they will not receive the lack of attention they got tonight.

One other caveat: for those of you who came tonight it is well to state your disappointment here as I have done too. However, it's up to all of us, whether newbies at these groups or not, to clearly state your concerns, etc, at the meetings and for all to hear as we all have the same concerns even when we differ in our approach to being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

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Below is a color enhanced version of the gray "chart"report that was presented to the Downtown Neighborhood Watch by Captain McDonough on September 12, 2005 that I prepared(please excuse the blurry text)

As was pointed out to me, the problem with this visual aid is that it doesn't show comparative, exact numbers, during prior times so we can see if crime is on the increase Downtown. This only shows the increase relative to each zone during Jan -July 2005. No figures have been provided for the Aug - December 2005 period to make comparisons.


Harsimus Cove and Hamilton Park are in Zone 6 (Red)
Van Vorst Park is Zone 3 (Green)
Paulus Hook is Zone 4 (Yellow)
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Re: Quick Note from Steven Fulop For Jersey City-Feb 13,2006
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Steve will be there from approx 7 until 7:30PM since other mtgs. he must attend tonight. If you have questions, re: below and want to address him the Downtown and Van Vorst Watch, et al, please come early.

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Quick Note from Steven Fulop For Jersey City-Feb 13,2006
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I just received this email below, Monday, Feb 13, 2006:

Update From Councilman Steven Fulop

The last several months have been very busy to say the least and I wanted to take a minute to update you on important happenings as it relates to both Ward ?E? and Jersey City as a whole. I have separated the correspondence below into three sections one related to important legislation I am sponsoring a the next council meeting, one section related to my request of the resignation of the Police Chief, and finally community issues in the next week that you should be aware of.

Please don?t hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions. As I try and say as often as possible, I am thankful and privileged that you have given me the opportunity to represent Ward ?E?

Important Legislation I Am Sponsoring At Next City Council Meeting

At the next council meeting, I will be introducing the most aggressive legislation that Jersey City has ever had in order to address the parking problem this city faces. Going forward, assuming the ordinance passes, the majority of the tax-abated buildings (which are the new construction buildings of 30 units or more), which have off-street parking, will no longer have access to on-street parking zone permits unless all spots are filled within that building. My goal is very simple; I need to do everything I can to make sure that all parking spots in those larger buildings are filled, and prioritize the on-street parking for those that don?t have access to off-street permits.

I have drafted the legislation to include a "grandfather clause" for the residents that have had on street parking zone parking permit last year, we will give you a permit again going forward but if that resident was to move out, the new resident in that same location would no longer have access to the same permit. A great benefit is that this legislation will work proactively over time. Furthermore, it stipulates requirements on real estate brokers to disclose the ordinance and have prospective tenants sign it so there are no miscommunications as to the parking situation for new residents.

Police Chief As the newspapers have detailed, I recently asked for the resignation of the Jersey City Police Chief Robert Troy. It is never easy to ask for anyone?s job and this was more of a last resort than anything else. The truth is that this discussion is not only about our increase in the number of murders as the chief would have one believe. In order to not misconstrue my rationale for my request of the chief's removal, it was based on an increase in most of types of crime in our city. The FBI crime statistics do not lie. They show Jersey City with an increase in crime, since Chief Troy has taken charge, of 11 percent. When comparing these numbers to other municipalities, Newark had a much smaller increase, while New York City showed a decrease of .5 percent and even Camden showed a decrease in violent crimes. Even our neighboring cities of Hoboken and Weehawken have shown significant decreases in both violent and non-violent crimes in the last year. Furthermore, in the last 12 months, Jersey City has dropped several spaces in the widely regarded Morgan Quinto rankings of safest cities. To me, our poor performance not only jeopardizes the safety of our residents, it jeopardizes property value, and it jeopardizes our standing in the region. As I have always said I believe in accountability in government and no excuses ? this is no different.

I have heard many times the chief's explanation for the increase in crime. I can't subscribe to the theory that the increase in crime is solely based on manpower because our police force numbers are relatively the same from the previous two administrations to Chief Troy - if anything, we have hired more police officers but there still seems to be less visibility. Furthermore, I can't subscribe to the excuse that crime is increasing everywhere in New Jersey because if you look at statistics of our neighboring cities, as cited earlier, several have shown a decrease. To me, the issue is based in deployment changes from management that I can give examples of. If something is wrong from a city standpoint we can?t be scared to address it and as it stand now our approach to crime is not as effective as it can be for our residents.

I am more than willing to expand further, just feel free to reach out with any questions.

Community Info For This Week This Wed. I will be presenting the plans for teh Van Vorst Dog Run to the Historic Preservation Commission with our target goal of beginning construction this spring. Also, I will be attending the regular community meetings this week as detailed on my web site.

Once again thank you for the opportunity to serve the community as the representative of Ward ?E?. I am more grateful than I could possibly express

Sincerely,

Steven Fulop
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phone: 201-547-5315
web: http://www.stevenfulop.com


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Is anyone going to the Guardian Angels thing this afternoon? The weather is quite nasty today and I am not sure if I want to venture out to find out it has been cancelled.


Not me, I'm makin' and eatin chili today! Haven't heard an update and too much snow to get there for me.

There will be a GA rep tomorrow as well as Steve Fulop and most likely PO Reilly or Captain McDonough at Downtown Watch Mtg tomorrow night at 7PM, Grace Van Vorst Church: enter from 2nd street red doors into gym.

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BTW, how does the GA support itself? Is it a not-for-profit dependent on donations/fund-raising? What is the trade-off? What does JC give up when they arrive? I doubt they're coming over for their health...


All valid questions. Here's some basic info:

ALLIANCE OF GUARDIAN ANGELS INC

Who We Are

TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY BETTERMENT BY MEANS OF SUBWAY, STREET AND PARK PATROLS, AND ELDERLY CITIZEN SECURITY ESCORT SERVICE.

This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ. Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

NTEE Code
S20-Community,Neighborhood Development, Improvement

Mission

TO PROMOTE COMMUNITY BETTERMENT BY MEANS OF SUBWAY, STREET AND PARK PATROLS, AND ELDERLY CITIZEN SECURITY ESCORT SERVICE.

Programs
TRAINING FOR CLASSROOM SAFETY INSTRUCTION AND VIOLENCE PREVENTION FOR SCHOOL TEACHERS.-$54,495

*TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY SAFETY THROUGH STREET PATROL ACTIVITIES AND SENIOR CITIZEN SAFETY ESCORT SERVICES. -$455,334

*TO PROMOTE INTERNET SAFETY AND SECURITY. -$24,681

*DEVELOPMENT OF AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS IN INNER CITY AREAS AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS. THIS INCLUDES TEACHING OF LIFE SKILLS AND VIOLENCE PREVENTION.-$189,808

They raised some $1,094,620 in 2003, the last year tax report filed. They spent most of this, 724,318 on their programs. This is over 66% spent on programs with only $232,100 spent on management,fundraising expenses. This is better than most of the so-called charity groups out there.

Their "Chapter Expenses" (nationwide) was $317, 954(NOTE: "Chapter Expenses" are part of the $724,318 program expenses, NOT part of management, fundraising expenses). They only spent $44, 306 with associated Street Patrol expenses, though doubtless their "Chapter Expenses' probably reflect some of the actual street monitoring.

Compensation for Officers, Directors and Trustees is: -$0- Yep that's right, 0 dineros is paid out to Curtis and others on the board. The highest compensation paid out to anyone was to an Educational Consultant they hired, John Munro, $50,400

Also, they paid out in grants to other groups some $189,808 that included the NYC Div of Youth Community Srvcs. and Housing and Urban Development.

And, over the last 5 years over 99.652% of their monies came from the general public.

With a Golf Event, Gala, the Curtis Sliwa show and other fundraisers, they brought in a net of $468,969.Other revenue came from "Safety Education" programs or "Speaking Engagements" for over $65,000.

See this link for more info Form 990 2004, filed in May 2005:

Form 990 Return of Organization Exempt from Income Tax

I would say the Guardian Angels are admirable in all that they do, not so much the street patrols, but in particularly persuading communities that the Guardian Angels are not the answer but that we as neighborhoods must all step up to the plate.

We must get involved in our schools, neighborhood groups, monitoring city government, with the State and with and other civic responsibilities that come with the turf whether you rent or own if you're not just a flippin' speculator this is our town.

Just like Spencer Tracy in "Bad Day at Black Rock" to get rid of the corruption that won't deal with the crime.

We cannot do the job of our police force, but we can assist in even small ways by being more alert and proactive in our neighborhoods which starts with getting more involved than surfin' on JCList, whinin', bitchin' and otherwise not being part of the solution.



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I was in Helen's Pizza today and saw a letter left by the Guardian Angels. It was asking people to come and support them on Sunday at the 4:00 pm meeting at the Dixon Deli. If you want them to stay, you have to show them support. Let's go to the meeting and see what is being discussed. I think it's important.


I will be there!


Agree with you both. But don't stop there why don't both of you show up at this Monday'sDowntown & Van Vorst Neighborhood Watch Monthly Mtg-Mon, Feb 13 @ 7PM, and everyone else who has an interest in stopping crime.

Captain McDonough, Commander of the East District, PO Reilly (our community officer who replaced Officer Mack) and sometimes Steve Fulop (call his office to "suggest" he come) show up, your downtown neighbors and even if you don't live downtown your presence will be welcome to discuss issues with those there who share your concerns.

Let's not make our "support", whether for the well-intentioned Guardian Angels, our police or others trying to help be a "weekend-warrior" only event.

And, for those who believe crime info should be posted here at JCList that comes from this watch group, or others, (full disclosure, no secrecy, etc)why don't you come and voice those concerns to the "principles" in charge instead of just complaining here.

See ya Monday!

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I think you raise legitimate concerns. And does anyone have any information on their actual effectiveness at preventing crime?


Here's a NYT article that appeared last August. The key to your question is the last sentence of this article:

"The neighborhood patrols that Mr. Kapell wants should be the alert eyes and ears of an engaged community, not a squad of strutting quasi-cops. "

Only the Mayor can fire Troy, but each of us can be the "...alert eyes and ears of an enganged commuity...", or NOT. Join your neighborhood groups, come to the mtgs., come to council mtgs., vote. Government is about each of us stepping up and it is not about what services "we should get", but about what "services we demand".

With all their good intentions, Curtis Sliwa has said before, and will tell you now that a world of "Guardian Angels" will not make the difference in crime: it takes the engagement of the commumity, schools, teachers, parents and yes the police with the support they need to engage improvement and "effectiveness". Each of us know if we're "down with that" or not.

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If you thought the Guardian Angels -- those young men in red berets and studded wristbands, subduing the urban jungle through kung fu -- went out with the 1980's, think again. Feathered hairdos, leg warmers and subway graffiti are gone, mostly, but the Angels never went away. Curtis Sliwa, the group's founder, has kept his organization busy opening chapters in cities and towns all over the country, where all kinds of people -- state representatives, mayors, city council members, even the governor of Hawaii -- have welcomed them with open arms, either forgetting or not caring about the Angels' reputation as vigilante goofballs.

Years of bad press and skepticism have not dimmed the appeal of the Angels' anticrime patrols. How well they work is highly debatable, but there is no denying that they are highly visible, highly assertive and cheap. This has proved irresistible to officials who lack the means or patience to fight petty crimes the old-fashioned way: by hiring more police officers, say, or organizing community patrols themselves, or steering more jobs and opportunity into depressed neighborhoods.

David Kapell, the mayor of Greenport, is one such official. He has a low-level drug problem in Greenport, that pretty village with the carousel and ferry near the end of the North Fork, where tourists mingle with a substantial black and Hispanic population in one of Long Island's closest approximations of racial diversity. The village is a motley collection of summer cottages and gracious old bed-and-breakfasts and nearly all of the government-subsidized rental housing in the Town of Southold. Just beyond its antique-and-potpourri zone are an all-night convenience store, a scruffy park and rundown basketball court -- nighttime magnets, the mayor says, for dealers and delinquents.

To Mr. Kapell, the Guardian Angels provide a ready-made model for getting the neighborhood involved in fixing these and other problems. Disaffected youths, he says, will look up to proud Angels and stare down lowlife criminals -- and then, he hopes, turn them in. The Angels, who are unarmed and have sworn off martial arts (except for ''verbal judo''), swear by the effectiveness of this ''rats and snitches'' approach to deterring crime.

The energetic Mr. Kapell is right about a lot of things -- that

a crime solution, for example, must involve the community and engage young people, and be conducted with the full knowledge and cooperation of local law-enforcement.

He says he has worked hard to get the village behind his plan, through public meetings and a recent walking tour involving Mr. Sliwa and dozens of residents.

He is also well aware that what he calls ''technical fixes,'' like brightly lighted parking lots and security cameras, often promise more than they deliver. And he is skeptical that any innovative crime-prevention initiatives will be coming anytime soon from the Southold Town Police Department, which lacks a significant number of minority officers and has shown little interest in the kind of ground-level community policing that Mr. Kapell is trying to do on the cheap.

But given the Guardian Angels' dubious reputation and the dangers that are always present when regular citizens willfully confront lawbreakers, there is a heavy burden on Mr. Kapell to do this right -- by making sure the Angels work closely with the town and county police, establishing rigorous protocols for recruiting and training patrol members and imposing clear rules that place the highest priority on nonviolence and good sense. The neighborhood patrols that Mr. Kapell wants should be the alert eyes and ears of an engaged community, not a squad of strutting quasi-cops.

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...If they and their really ugly hats want to come, I guess there's no stopping them, but we need to watch the watchmen, you know?

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In case anyone missed this info at beginning of this thread:

Sunday, 2/11, at 4pm - Guardian Angels will meet
residents at Dixon Deli on Varick (near Columbus) to
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Our past city/county fathers were such idiots. ...Those powdered wig, knee breech wearing wussies.


What makes ya think we ever left?

Back at ya, fasteddie!


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Yes, secession and maybe we could call our new sovereignty Planet Mongo!

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Nuada wrote: From nj.com This happened at 8:45 pm at 2nd and Manila! There IS a problem with street crime in this city. Is Bobby Troy listening? --------------------------- Wednesday, February 08, 2006 Councilman's wife mugged The wife of Jersey City Council President Mariano Vega fought off a mugger who got away with her purse last night, according to the president of a women's group she'd just attended a meeting of. Sonia Vega was pushed into her own car around 8:45 p.m. Tuesday at Second Street and Manila Avenue by a man who had been parked in a beige car across the street, according to Nidia Lopez of Women Acknowledged and Recognized for Achievement. Mrs. Vega suffered a cut lip, Lopez told The Jersey Journal this morning. In reaction to the attack, WARFA will host a self-defense seminar, Lopez said.
Here is email I receive, re: above: Subject: Description of veh. involved in 2 robberies Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:17:25 -0800 (PST) From: Captain McDonough <jcpdeastdistrict@yahoo.com> Hello and hope all is well. Please read the following and pass along information to those in your community groups as well as others. On Monday, February 6, 2006 in the South District, Kellogg St. and Hwy 440 - Pathmark lot, a vehicle approached a victim from behind at which time the driver of the vehicle reached out the window and grabbed the victim's purse. *The vehicle is described as white or beige Mazda or Nissan and 4 door. The actor is described as a black male.* ** On Tuesday, February 7, 2006 in the East District, Second St. and Manila St., a victim was entering vehicle at which time an unknown male approached victim, pushed victim towards passenger seat and grabbed victim's purse. *The vehicle is described as a beige colored sedan with partial N.J. license plate NZ3. * ** Regards. P.O. Dina Reilly

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Call the EEOC, let them help you to get rid of this cretin.

All the calls, emails to politicians in the world won't do it.

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Well I turned up about 6:30PM and the room had a fair number of people and about 10 who made comments including myself.

I won't try to summarize all the points discussed in comments nor their presentation, since the site for the
Jersey City Regional Waterfront Access and Downtown Circulation Study has the initial info.

The most important thing to say is if any of you have comments related to traffic circulation, which is what the study is addressing, you need to send an email by Monday, Feb 6th to:

downtownnjcras@gmail.com or contact:

Naomi Hsu
Senior Transportation Planner
Jersey City Division of Planning
30 Montgomery Street, Suite 1400
Jersey City, NJ 07302
201-547-5010
hsun@jcnj.org

or

Louis Luglio, PE
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This story sounds like you have legal grounds to proceed with a criminal/civil suit regarding employee harassment. You should notify the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and see this link here below:

Enforcement Guidance: Vicarious Employer Liability for Unlawful Harassment by Supervisors

Contact Info: 1-800-669-4000
info@ask.eeoc.gov

Newark Area Field Office
Location: One Newark Center, 21st Floor
Raymond Blvd at McCarter Hwy (Rt.21)
Newark, New Jersey 07102-5233

Phone: 973-645-6383
Fax: 973-645-4524

Director: Corrado Gigante
Regional Attorney: Elizabeth Grossman
New York District Office
Office Hours: The Newark Area Office is open from 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Monday thru Friday.


Iif your lawyers haven't already done the above you should proceed to do so ASAP as there are time urgent and complaint filing procedures you must follow and forget about talking to the city. Once they receive notice of a civil and criminal suit to the tune of 1mil+ for harassment, suffering and abuse then you'll get their attention real fast to settle or fire this a$$hole or both.

I don't doubt what you outline here I'm just surprised that your first thought and your lawyers wasn't to go to the EEOC to file charges.


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Draining of Jersey City Reservoir Halted

Eleven days after it began, the controversial draining of Jersey City's historic Reservoir No. 3 was halted on Sunday morning, January 28, 2006. The Jersey City Reservoir Preservation Alliance, made up of local community and statewide environmental organizations, had feared that the draining would do irreparable harm to the Reservoir and the wildlife that thrives there.



Congratulations! Kudos to Steve Latham, President of the Reservoir Alliance and all who were instrumental in stopping this potential disaster to the preservation of Reservoir No. 3.

While this is great news I'm sure everyone is aware that we're still not "out of the woods" yet with Mayor Healy, council persons, and the DEP so we must all remain vigilant to their trying to do irreparable harm to Reservoir No 3.

Thanks for posting, historyrules!

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At last nights HPNA meeting:

...With 7 minutes left and before the security guard kicked us out at 10 pm? nominations were crammed in. I nominated a long time member for President and another community group leader for Vice President. They both accepted their nominations. Then the HPNA president denied them the opportunity to run for officers. The HPNA deemed them unworthy!

Perhaps we should take up a collection and send SamS to a Dale Carnegie class in meeting management. It was embarrassing.


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So my apartment flooded again, I live in a duplex and our bedroom is in the basement. Fortunately for me I have a tile floor and all I have to do is a vigorous mopping.

Our plummer came over and told me the same things plummers tell me when they evaluate the situation (backup from the sewers, check valves, etc..

The question that no one seams to answer is this: If we put in more sump pumps will this help? they always tell me that it will just get pumped out to the street and it will come right back. Now I would rather have the water pumpinig out to the street than on my bedroom floor. If I have a bunch of sump pumps pumping out water and keeping my floor dry I really couldn't care less if it's the same water circulating from the street to my sump pump. I am off base here?



Despite the title of the topic thread below, there are postings regarding sump pumps, flooding/sewer problems relative to the street runoff, sewer system (or, lack, thereof!), et al.

When I lived on Barrow across from what used to be JC Winston's Bar, we had heavy flood whenever it rained hard in our basement level of our duplex apt.

Even with a sump pump we had to bail water for over 12 hours straight with no relief and that's why I finally moved to an upstairs apt when I found out that all of Downtown JC is basically on the flood plain and the so-called sewer system has pipes too small to take the runoff particularly with all the new development.

See this link here at JCList for more background:

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So my apartment flooded again, I live in a duplex and our bedroom is in the basement. Fortunately for me I have a tile floor and all I have to do is a vigorous mopping.

Our plummer came over and told me the same things plummers tell me when they evaluate the situation (backup from the sewers, check valves, etc..

The question that no one seams to answer is this: If we put in more sump pumps will this help? they always tell me that it will just get pumped out to the street and it will come right back. Now I would rather have the water pumpinig out to the street than on my bedroom floor. If I have a bunch of sump pumps pumping out water and keeping my floor dry I really couldn't care less if it's the same water circulating from the street to my sump pump. I am off base here?



Despite the title of the topic thread below, there are postings there regarding sump pump problems/solutions regarding flooding/sewer problems relative to the street runoff, sewer system (or, lack, thereof!), et al.

When I lived at Barrow across from what used to be JC Winston's, we had major floods in heavy rains, and even with sump pump running had to bail constantly for 12 hours!

That's why I no longer rented ground floor apts when I found out all of this area is on the flood plain and the so-called sewer system uses small pipes and backs up into street so you can't get rid of the water in your house/apt.

See this link here at JCList for more background:

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Has anyone ever had a flooding problem living on the garden level? We live on the garden level and outside our back door have two steps going up to the main level of the backyard. In the cove leading up to the steps there is a drain that I assume drains the water during a rain storm. Yesterday it must have overflowed and all the water came into the house. It was a real mess and very unsettling. This has not happened to us since we lived here for the past six months. Has anyone had this problem or experience? And can anyone offer any ideas to help us out? Thanks.


When I moved to JC in '82 I lived on Barrow Street off the park in a duplex brownstone. The lower level was on the garden level and the backyard was a concrete cove with similar drain. I can't tell you how many times we were flooded on a regular basis and we'd have to run a sump pump around the clock with a length of tubing dumping out to the street storm drains in order to remove water. We were just renting so we moved out and I've never rented an apt on the garden level again downtown since this is a known massive problem.

Take Ben's advice if you are a homeowner, and replace your main from the house to the street or if you're a renter, move!


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