nightgownposse wrote:
I think what skeptical is trying to say is that only successful people should be allowed in America. Even if you are legal and paying taxes he believes that you should still not be allowed here cause you are a drain on society if you are making under a certain amount. It's good we never followed that rule cause than none of use would be here huh. I'm mean my great grandparents arrived with $14 dollars in their pockets.

regulator wrote:
youre not answering the question, "skepticalhook". i posed a legitimate scenario where the illegal immigrants would now all be legal tax paying residents. and, since you are a representative of those with the viewpoint that all illegals are bad, then i wanted to know your thoughts on where the hate against them would be re-directed now that they would (presumably) be legal.

shadrack wrote:
The Carbajales duo are very good at playing the system. Delay... delay... delay and counter claims. They are wearing down the system and know full well that the courts and Jersey City want this to go away quickly.

Lazy journalism results in sloppy and incomplete reporting and frankly, if journalists would just scratch the surface, they would discover evidence to back up every claim made by former volunteers, Hudson Animal Advocates (HAA), and HAA\'s attorney (misappropriation, abuse, neglect, fraud, and misconduct on the part of the NJ State SPCA).

In the interest of keeping this in the headlines, here are some facts and that made it into the newspapers and some that did not.

1. FACT: Carbajales has a contract with the Jersey Animal Coalition in South Orange, but has not surrendered a pet to them for a very long time because he hasn\'t paid fees. Where are the strays and surrendered animals going and what has been their fates?

2. FACT: Animal carcasses are being discovered on the North Bergen and Union City border. Have samples been preserved to determine if these animals had euthanasia solution in their blood? Samples would also show carbon monoxide poisoning as that is a cheap way for nefarious people to kill animals using a sealed box and exhaust from a vehicle. Is Carbajales dumping animals? Worth investigating.

3. FACT: Carbajales uses the services of Dr. Carlos in Union City (USAC). Have animals been brought to that vet for vetting or euthanasia? Reports from a local rescuer claimed that the steel cages were in Dr. Carlos\' basement but have since been removed. Inside those cages were several dogs that did not belong to clients. Items \"stolen\" from the HCSPCA included steel animal cages. Sounds like filing a false police report if those cages were HCSPCA property.

4. FACT: A NJ State SPCA investigator did not inspect the HCSPCA despite pleas from volunteers. Two witnesses have come forward to report that the inspector \"hugged\" Ms. Carbajales and announced, \"I\'m here for the inspection.\" He left moments later without inspecting. Subsequent evidence proved that he \"pencil-whipped\" the inspection.

5. FACT: There was no goat carcass in the freezer during an inspection of the facility after April 11 which is the day a N.J. Superior Court judge ordered the animals removed. A goat carcass was among the other rotting carcasses removed by the Jersey City Health Department in June. Carbajales claims that he had no access to the facility after April and is blaming others for the rotting carcasses.

6. FACT: Hector had access to the facility after it was closed.

7. FACT: Zoe Carbajales let two sick animals die rather that euthanize them. She claimed that they were in a \"coma.\"

8. FACT: Hector claimed he purchased a heating unit that was actually purchased by a volunteer. Carbajales claimed several times the amount of the volunteer\'s purchase and reimbursed himself.

9. FACT: Hector Carbajales is on disability. Is he allowed to work?

10. FACT: He withdrew 12,000 dollars after the facility was closed.

11. FACT: One of Hector\'s staff claimed to breed fighting dogs in his basement. Even if it were a lie, why would the HCSPCA Board hire someone like this?

12. FACT: They removed the dog run after April 11.

13. FACT: Hector threatened the staff of an other shelter saying he had a weapon in his car after he was denied access. Unfortunately, the local authorities weren\'t called to investigate after the incident.

14. FACT: Two HCSPCA vehicles were missing from the HCSPCA property. What happened to them?
1-877-cars4kids? I doubt it

15. FACT: Hector claimed that the HCSPCA had no money. As a result, volunteers purchased a scale, heating unit, cleaning supplies, free labor for plumbing and carpentry, dog and cat food, medicine for animals, and fecal testing.

16. FACT: Zoe Carbajales was the manager of the facility beginning on December 23, 2007. She blames the old manager for the terrible conditions at the HCSPCA. The old manager quit because there was no heat and the animals were suffering. Hector said that he would start euthanizing immediately, so the manager quit in disgust.

17. FACT: Zoe Carbajales was the Treasurer for the HCSPCA but claimed she was the manager of the facility and not a volunteer. That is illegal.

18. WORTH INVESTIGATING: Hector allegedly skimmed money from salaries according to some staff.

19. WORTH INVESTIGATING: Hector ordered the euthanasia of two dogs that did not belong to him in March 2008.

20. WORTH INVESTIGATING: Hector supposedly brought animal carcasses to the incinerator authority, however, staff allege that he sometimes threw the carcasses into contruction dumpsters. Incinertor authority records should be matched to reports of dead animals picked up by Carbajales.

21. WORTH INVESTIGATING: Property and a home were endowed to the HCSPCA several years ago. Some of the money was allegedly embezzeled by a board member.

22. WORTH INVESTIGATING: Animals left abandoned outside of the HCSPCA went the to Liberty Humane Society. However, there is one case according to one volunteer when an animal was picked up in Union City, but Hector claimed that the animal was abandoned outside of his shelter in Jersey City. As a result, LHS became responsible for a dog that was outside of LHS\' area. How often did the HCSPCA contact LHS about an abandoned animal? Can reports from Union City and North Bergen of a stray be matched to LHS\' intake of an abandoned animal from the HCSPCA?

heights wrote:
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skepticalhook wrote:
Yo heights-i think you may want to change the simile-the Warsaw Ghetto was full of Jewish Poles-Legal. Go read a textbook. And I am wholly offended that you are bringing some sort of twisted reference to the plight of the Jews in Warsaw that were exterminated by damn nazis to this. Or are you recommending extermination?

Because of this reference does this negate using the Warsaw point, it wasn't meant for that, there were ghettos in many countries during WW II, Canada housed Italians, the U.S.A. housed Japanese, and Germany housed many different ethnic groups throughout Europe. Perhaps we Americans should keep better track of these "visitors" before others with less meaningful ways do more harm than good.

shadrack wrote:
Hector and Zoe Carbajales will finally be in court:
March 6, 2009 @ 1:00 P.M.
Court Room 6
365 Summit Ave

RECAP:

On June 23, 2008, the Jersey Journal reported that, ?Jersey City police and animal control officers were barraged with flies, maggots and the stench of rotting carcasses as they removed the remains of dogs, cats and a goat? from shuttered Hudson County SPCA. The newspaper further reported that, ?the carcasses, which totaled 16 inside eight bags, were pulled from a freezer? that was not turned on. Further inspection of the facility showed that medical waste that included syringes were found in the facility.

Many of you on this forum are well aware of the alleged criminal conduct of the HCSPCA Board President and his staff, and finally, they will be in court tomorrow, March 6, 2009 at the Municipal Court, 365 Summit Avenue, Court Room 6, 1:00 P.M.

Likewise, the Jersey Journal reported on July 28, 2008 that the HCSPCA ?is under criminal investigation by the state Attorney General's Office? and the ?the AG has subpoenaed records from Union City and North Bergen, two Hudson municipalities that have contracts with the HCSPCA for animal control services. Of course, records at the HCSPCA facility were ?stolen? because they must have been made of copper or something after the facility was looted.

Not surprisingly, one doesn?t have to dig deeply to find misappropriation. On June 24, 2008, the Jersey Journal further reported that ?the president of the Hudson County District Society for the Prevention of Cruelty Animals withdrew almost $12,000 from the bank account? more than two months after the facility was closed.

The Jersey Journal stated that, ?Sovereign Bank records show that Hector Carbajales, who now contracts independently with Union City and North Bergen to pick up their strays, personally withdrew $11,790 in multiple installments ranging from $40 to $2,200 in April from the account of the HCSPCA.?

If you feel that Mr. Carbajales? current contracts with Union City and North Bergen are an abomination, please contact the appropriate officials:

Mayor Brian Stack, Union City 201-348-5755
Mayor Nicholas Sacco, North Bergen: 201-392-2005

Richard Censullo
(Health official who accepted Mr. Carbajales bid for animal control in both towns)
(201) 392-2084
4233 Kennedy Boulevard
North Bergen, NJ 07047