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Re: Drivers Must Come to Full Stop at NJ Crosswalks
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I was driving down brunswick yesterday and watched 5 cars go right by a pedestrian waiting to cross. One of those cars included a police car. On the pedestrian side- I would never just walk into a street and hope someone is going to stop so I don't know how this is going to work.

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What they should really focus on is enforcing the speed limit on Grand Street. Great that they repaved most of the road but eliminating the on-street parking and creating two lanes between Jersey Ave and Grove Street has made that street even more of danger zone than it was before.


Meh, priorities.

1. Too much work for the money

2. Need to show the rest of the state how much JC supports the new law

3. $36k is too good to pass up

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What they should really focus on is enforcing the speed limit on Grand Street. Great that they repaved most of the road but eliminating the on-street parking and creating two lanes between Jersey Ave and Grove Street has made that street even more of danger zone than it was before.

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Drivers aren't responsible for running red lights, so why should pedestrians worry about a thing?

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Thanks jwave.

I am skeptical about pedestrians being held responsible for following this law.

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What happens when the person just boldly walks out in-front of your car, talking on the cellphone, whatever, while you are slowing down to stop. What happens when you are walking across an intersection when the light turns yellow and don't have time to get all the way across. What happens when there is a person with one foot on the sidewalk and one foot on the cross walk, not looking to cross the road but just hanging out....you get the point.



39:4-32 Crossing roadway; signal. (Link)

39:4-32. On highways where traffic is controlled by a traffic control signal or by traffic or police officers:

a.Pedestrians shall not cross a roadway against the "stop" or red signal at a crosswalk, whether marked or unmarked, unless otherwise specifically directed to go by a traffic or police officer, or official traffic control device.

b.No driver of a vehicle shall fail to stop and remain stopped for a pedestrian crossing a roadway at a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon, or within one lane of, the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning during the "go" or green signal. As used in this subsection, "half of the roadway" means all traffic lanes conveying traffic in one direction of travel, and includes the entire width of a one-way roadway.

c.A pedestrian crossing or starting across the intersection on a "go" or green signal, but who is still within the crosswalk when the signal changes, shall have the right of way until the pedestrian has reached the opposite curb or place of safety.

d.No pedestrian shall leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield or stop.

e.Whenever any vehicle is stopped to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.

f.Every pedestrian upon a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

g.Nothing contained herein shall relieve a driver from the duty to exercise due care for the safety of any pedestrian upon a roadway. Nothing herein shall relieve a pedestrian from using due care for his safety.

h.In the event of a collision between a vehicle and a pedestrian within a marked crosswalk, or at an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, there shall be a permissive inference that the driver did not exercise due care for the safety of the pedestrian.

amended 1951, c.23, s.22; 2009, c.319, s.1.

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The Pedestrian Safety, Aggressive Driving, Seatbelt and DWI Enforcement will run from April 19 to Sept. 17 and is funded by a $35,800 grant from the New Jersey Division of Highway Safety.


This is like half of one cops salary. I am sure there will be more then one cop for 20 hours a week writing tickets and sending people to court. Big money maker for the City. I am sure it will be put to good use like upgrading all the roads and solving real crime in the Heights and Greenville.

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The new law requires motorists to stop and remain stopped for pedestrians in crosswalks rather than merely yielding to them, Comey said.


What happens when the person just boldly walks out in-front of your car, talking on the cellphone, whatever, while you are slowing down to stop. What happens when you are walking across an intersection when the light turns yellow and don't have time to get all the way across. What happens when there is a person with one foot on the sidewalk and one foot on the cross walk, not looking to cross the road but just hanging out....you get the point.

How bad of an incident will it need to be before a ticket is issued?

I am ok with having a law that requires you to stop for someone on the cross walk. However its quite difficult to enforce this law because of what it is and unfortunately of how people are to each other.

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And, what's going on with the intersection at Newark ave and route 1/9. There seems to be full-time homeless ppl asking for money in the middle of the road.

I understand if they're on the sidewalk after the light turns green, but few of them just hang in the middle of the road when it''s green light.


This law does not apply to them. Go ahead and run them over. j/k

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Wow! Nearly 60 posts on this topic and no link or paste of the actual law. Sorry to crash the party with facts -- If this information causes sudden dizziness, nausea, or bloating avert your eyes and seek medical assistance immediately. ; )

39:4-32 Crossing roadway; signal. (Link)

39:4-32. On highways where traffic is controlled by a traffic control signal or by traffic or police officers:

a.Pedestrians shall not cross a roadway against the "stop" or red signal at a crosswalk, whether marked or unmarked, unless otherwise specifically directed to go by a traffic or police officer, or official traffic control device.

b.No driver of a vehicle shall fail to stop and remain stopped for a pedestrian crossing a roadway at a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon, or within one lane of, the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning during the "go" or green signal. As used in this subsection, "half of the roadway" means all traffic lanes conveying traffic in one direction of travel, and includes the entire width of a one-way roadway.

c.A pedestrian crossing or starting across the intersection on a "go" or green signal, but who is still within the crosswalk when the signal changes, shall have the right of way until the pedestrian has reached the opposite curb or place of safety.

d.No pedestrian shall leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield or stop.

e.Whenever any vehicle is stopped to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.

f.Every pedestrian upon a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.

g.Nothing contained herein shall relieve a driver from the duty to exercise due care for the safety of any pedestrian upon a roadway. Nothing herein shall relieve a pedestrian from using due care for his safety.

h.In the event of a collision between a vehicle and a pedestrian within a marked crosswalk, or at an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, there shall be a permissive inference that the driver did not exercise due care for the safety of the pedestrian.

amended 1951, c.23, s.22; 2009, c.319, s.1.

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I'm sure we could all think of a million things we'd rather have cops do than this, but this "enforcement project" is specially funded by the state so it's not a matter of "let's have them do this instead". Plus a little improvement of quality of life never hurt anyone ;)

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Before enforcing any other unimportant laws, they should enforce the crime rate stricter, like what Mayor Giuliani did to NYC.

And, what's going on with the intersection at Newark ave and route 1/9. There seems to be full-time homeless ppl asking for money in the middle of the road.

I understand if they're on the sidewalk after the light turns green, but few of them just hang in the middle of the road when it''s green light.

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Wow, sounds great. Oh wait a minute, yeah sure they will.

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Jersey City will start enforcing new pedestrian crossing law by putting cops in crosswalks

Friday, April 16, 2010

That pedestrian in the crosswalk could be Jersey City cop. So drivers better come to a full stop - and stay stopped until the walker makes it to the curb.

As part of a campaign to enforce the new pedestrian crossing law that took effect April 1, Jersey City will have cops posing as civilians crossing the street, Police Chief Tom Comey announced this week.


The Pedestrian Safety, Aggressive Driving, Seatbelt and DWI Enforcement will run from April 19 to Sept. 17 and is funded by a $35,800 grant from the New Jersey Division of Highway Safety.

The new law requires motorists to stop and remain stopped for pedestrians in crosswalks rather than merely yielding to them, Comey said.

Violators can face a $200 fine, plus court fees, a two-point license penalty, and the possibility of being ordered to do 15 days of community service, Comey said.

Three pedestrians were among the seven motor vehicle fatalities in Jersey City last year.

"The goal in this campaign is to educate pedestrians and motorists to be safe and hopefully continue in our efforts to decrease motor vehicle accidents," said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy.

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That pedestrian in the crosswalk could be Jersey City cop. So drivers better come to a full stop - and stay stopped until the walker makes it to the curb.

As part of a campaign to enforce the new pedestrian crossing law that took effect April 1, Jersey City will have cops posing as civilians crossing the street, Police Chief Tom Comey announced this week.


The Pedestrian Safety, Aggressive Driving, Seatbelt and DWI Enforcement will run from April 19 to Sept. 17 and is funded by a $35,800 grant from the New Jersey Division of Highway Safety.

The new law requires motorists to stop and remain stopped for pedestrians in crosswalks rather than merely yielding to them, Comey said.

Violators can face a $200 fine, plus court fees, a two-point license penalty, and the possibility of being ordered to do 15 days of community service, Comey said.

Three pedestrians were among the seven motor vehicle fatalities in Jersey City last year.

"The goal in this campaign is to educate pedestrians and motorists to be safe and hopefully continue in our efforts to decrease motor vehicle accidents," said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy.

MICHAELANGELO CONTE

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Cars drive too fast on these streets period. BUT a slow rolling stop can be safe (and it's much more energy efficient). This US obsession with COMPLETE stops is wasteful on time, energy and not necessarily safer. I recommend folks to read the newly out 'Traffic' book to put some biases to rest.

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You can always come up with a grey area, but stopping is still more obvious than yielding. All the articles I've read on the subject don't have the exact law in it. If you're really that concerned about it look it up. That probably reads snarky but I don't mean it that way.

All this discussion in worthless, since they don't enforce the regular stop signs around here, I doubt this law will change anything for JC's driving/walking situation.

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Actually, the changed the law because yielding was too subjective.
Think of yielding when getting on the highway. If there\'s room you go for it. No a good scenario when pedestrians are involved.
Now you have to stop, no ifs ands or buts.

If slowing down allows the pedestrian safe passage over a crosswalk, does the car still need to come to a complete stop?
Yes

How much room does a stopped car need to allow a pedestrian before proceeding?
Um, before you hit them. What would you do, give them an inch?


Let's say a driver is headed north on Jersey Avenue at the posted speed limit of 25MPH. The car is a block away-- at say, 3rd Street while the pedestrian is at 4th Street. At the car's current velocity, the pedestrian will still be in the crosswalk when the vehicle reaches 4th Street. But if the car decreases its speed, the two paths will not intersect. Decreasing the speed of the car allows the pedestrian to clear the crosswalk; the car is yielding but not stopping. So should the driver still come to a stop because there was a pedestrian in the crosswalk, or should the driver continue at the current speed only to come to a complete stop at the crosswalk? Ambiguity.


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How close to the crosswalk does the car need to be before the driver is obligated to stop at the crosswalk?
Anywhere behind the crosswalk. If you can\'t stop you are going to fast.

Very clear and obvious.


Anywhere? So if a driver is 1,000 feet behind the crosswalk and the driver sees a pedestrian crossing the street, he should come to a stop? 500 feet? 100 feet?

I'm still not sure how this is obvious.

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The only real problem with the new law is the ambiguity of stopping for pedestrians. If slowing down allows the pedestrian safe passage over a crosswalk, does the car still need to come to a complete stop? How much room does a stopped car need to allow a pedestrian before proceeding? How close to the crosswalk does the car need to be before the driver is obligated to stop at the crosswalk? Yielding is actually a much more obvious and clear directive.


Actually, the changed the law because yielding was too subjective.
Think of yielding when getting on the highway. If there\'s room you go for it. No a good scenario when pedestrians are involved.
Now you have to stop, no ifs ands or buts.

If slowing down allows the pedestrian safe passage over a crosswalk, does the car still need to come to a complete stop?
Yes

How much room does a stopped car need to allow a pedestrian before proceeding?
Um, before you hit them. What would you do, give them an inch?

How close to the crosswalk does the car need to be before the driver is obligated to stop at the crosswalk?
Anywhere behind the crosswalk. If you can\'t stop you are going to fast.

Very clear and obvious.

Some food for thought:
Since 2004 more than 30,000 pedestrians have been injured in car crashes statewide and about 140 people died on average each year, according to the Division of Highway Traffic Safety. Last year saw the first increase in pedestrian deaths at 157 across the state after three years during which the rate had declined. As of March 26 of this year, 28 people have been killed in vehicle-related crashes.

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I live on Jersey btwn 4th and 5th.... where last summer I saw enough cars flying into the intersection without looking causing accidents and where they ended up in buildings....

The cars that turn onto 4th decided to fly into that turn going as fast as possible, where I happened to be walking across one night, almost getting hit. The car stopped just short of me and I stopped and stared at the car. The guy in the car gets out and then says- You gonna move or what? That only raised my blood pressure and my snarky response of- You gonna slow down and not try to hit me?

One day i was sitting outside Basic with my friend and our dogs. We watched EVERY car come to a rolling stop at that intersection. Not ONE car came to a complete stop. This was the afternoon, near a school, park and a very popular intersection. I have almost been hit there in both a car and walking, due to people's need to get somewhere fast.

I just think people need to relearn what Yield means and I kind of thought that the pedestrian had the right of way anyways..... right?

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i would rather wait and not get hit by a car than walk into the street to prove i have the right of way.


Wuss.


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Obviously I don't mean stick your foot out under the wheel of a car. Use common sence and predict stopping distance. Try my way, you could save a lot of time in your life.

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The only real problem with the new law is the ambiguity of stopping for pedestrians. If slowing down allows the pedestrian safe passage over a crosswalk, does the car still need to come to a complete stop? How much room does a stopped car need to allow a pedestrian before proceeding? How close to the crosswalk does the car need to be before the driver is obligated to stop at the crosswalk? Yielding is actually a much more obvious and clear directive.

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i would rather wait and not get hit by a car than walk into the street to prove i have the right of way.


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use common sense and you most likely will not get hit by a car.

very reassuring

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I somehow jaywalk across 8th avenue in Manhattan every morning and don't get nailed by a car. it isn't because i only go when there are no cars.


People are better drivers in Manhattan because:

(a) they have to be
(b) they know there is more enforcement


are you completely insane? people in manhattan are horrific drivers. at least in jersey city you don't have the cabbies.. they aim for you! people can't drive for $hit in the city. they get scared and make erratic movements, cabs just kinda move over regardless of the fact there is another car there, they are just generally poor drivers. like scary bad.

There is not more enforcement. People are rarely pulled over. the cops are more concerned with real crime. you have to do something really blatantly dangerous to get pulled over. well that or block the box on canal st but that doesn't really count.

I cross the street when there is a gap in the cars because of the light cycle or i wait. it is all up to me to not get killed.

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I was responding to the person who said that cars will stop 95% of the time they just walk into the street.

my point is it doesn't matter if the law is that you have to yield for pedestrians(which i think is stupid anyways... if the street is that busy walk to a light or wait for a safe gap)it is the the car will win. i would rather wait and not get hit by a car than walk into the street to prove i have the right of way.

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Have the red light/traffic cams already been discussed?

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Beautiful.

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that 5% of time people don't stop is a problem for the person being hit. is it really worth trying to prove a point to the driver? it is not a matter of who is right or wrong when you are lying in the street hurt. use common sense and you most likely will not get hit by a car.


5%...? I think you have it in reverse. It is a celebrated and wonderful moment when a driver yields to a pedestrian in JC.

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Yielding to a pedestrian in a crosswalk is and has been the standard in every state for many decades. It's as basic as stopping for a red light. Anyone that claims that they don't know this basic law should have never been given a drivers license.

I am a frequent JC pedestrian and driver. As a pedestrian I obey the rules set by the state. As a driver I do the same. When I see people standing at crosswalks, I slow down, flash my headlights, and let them cross. I flash my headlights because pedestrians in JC are so untrustworthy of cars actually yielding. It works great and I get a nice thanks every time. :)

It's not a big hardship to let a pedestrian use a crosswalk, just a few seconds from my drive.

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I somehow jaywalk across 8th avenue in Manhattan every morning and don't get nailed by a car. it isn't because i only go when there are no cars.


People are better drivers in Manhattan because:

(a) they have to be
(b) they know there is more enforcement

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I am going to speed up and start hitting stragglers who don't pay attention. I achieve not getting hit every morning.. oh wait i don't just walk into the street hoping a car will stop.

that 5% of time people don't stop is a problem for the person being hit. is it really worth trying to prove a point to the driver? it is not a matter of who is right or wrong when you are lying in the street hurt. use common sense and you most likely will not get hit by a car.

I somehow jaywalk across 8th avenue in Manhattan every morning and don't get nailed by a car. it isn't because i only go when there are no cars.

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Today, I was crossing Grove/Manila at 1st street. There is a painted crosswalk there.

I saw 5 cars coming a block away. I decided to test the new law and stepped of the curb, obviously looking to cross the street.

None of the 5 cars stopped. The last one was JCPD.



Next time step off the curb with a camera pointed at the approaching traffic. You will be amazed at how many drivers will yield/stop for you.

Posted on: 2010/4/9 22:02
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Today, I was crossing Grove/Manila at 1st street. There is a painted crosswalk there.

I saw 5 cars coming a block away. I decided to test the new law and stepped of the curb, obviously looking to cross the street.

None of the 5 cars stopped. The last one was JCPD.


Thing is, once the first car doesnt let you through, the others will follow. Not because they are mean, just because they don't know how long you have been standing there. Countless times I stop and the person refuses to go, wants me to go first. They might think you're just being nice.

You just have to keep walking, and they will stop. 95% chance,

Besides, there is no notification of this law, its not magic that people are supposed to know. I'm sure even the police weren't notified.

Posted on: 2010/4/9 17:59
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