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Letter: Shame on you for using Che Guevara in Jersey City Cuban restaurant ad

By Agustin C. Torres/The Jersey Journal
January 19, 2010, 12:01AM

Letter writer is upset that Che Guevara is used in a Jersey City Cuban restaurant ad.

When I turned to Page 12 of The Jersey Journal, I got shocked with the Hard Grove Cafe ad.

I have been there a few times, the owner was Cuban, I don't know if it still is the same person, if you are, shame on you. I know this is a free country, but do you remember what Che did to your country and tried to do in South America, etc.? I came to the USA when I was 13 years old, but I read my history and family always made sure I did not forget what happened in Cuba and the names of all those responsible. One of them Che Guevara, he was not even Cuban (thank God).

A person that is not Cuban might not know who Che was and even wear a T-shirt with his face on it, I might forgive their ignorance, but a Cuban? There is no forgiveness for you, again, shame on you. Don't just go to the movies and see a picture that shows "what a nice guy he was," read, instruct yourself before making such a big mistake and insulting the Cuban community.

I guess I can save more money now not going to this restaurant, I do not support anything, any business or anybody that uses communists and murderers on their advertisements.

ELSA M. GORDON
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Using a photo of Che for their restaurant ad is peanuts in comparison to what food they serve there and call "Cuban". That alone is insulting enough. I'm Cuban and whoever decided to do that ad is a moron.... but then look at how the Hard Grove is run. I'm not surprised.

(Che is a extremely sensitive subject for many Cubans - I once had to carry my mother screaming out of a bakery in Soho because one of the counter people happen to mention how they thought Fidel Castro was a great historical figure. ugg.)

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I wholeheartedly agree. I am Cuban-American and I live 3 blocks from this place. When I first moved here, I thought, "ahh, a Cuban restaurant where I will become a regular."

Then I saw their Che posters and paraphernalia and I told them they just lost a customer.



If Che had it his way, he would have *NUKED* New York City during the Cuban Missile Crisis. In his own words:

"If the missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence. In this struggle to the death between two systems we must gain the ultimate victory. We must walk the path of liberation even if it costs millions of atomic victims."

Che Guevara might seem to be a heroic revolutionary figure, but what people don't know is that he is responsible for hundreds upon hundreds of executions as well as the oppression of millions of Cubans.
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THE ABOVE POSTER WROTE:
"If Che had it his way, he would have *NUKED* New York City during the Cuban Missile Crisis."

Well, Che Guevara...didn't do that.

HOWEVER, ultra-right-wing Cuban's DID fire missles at the UNITED NATIONS building while Che Guevara was giving a speech there.

THAT was something that DID happen. A FACT.

A TERRORIST act by right-wing Cubans on USA soil!

Che's crime? Standing up to U.S imperialism.

After all wasn't the U.S. mafia and other organized crime plaguing Cuba?

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Exactly JerseyCityPower. Remember we are talking about folks (Cubans and Cuban-Americans) who were brain washed their entire lives. They only know the lies they were told.

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JerseyCityPower wrote:
THE ABOVE POSTER WROTE:
"If Che had it his way, he would have *NUKED* New York City during the Cuban Missile Crisis."

Well, Che Guevara...didn't do that.



Only because he couldn't. So keep defending someone who wanted to kill innocent people.

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But HE DID NOT even try.

People say things all the time to sound TOUGH...for instance.. "Im gonna kill...so-and-so."

HOWEVER--

RIGHT-WING CUBANS here in the USA....DID fire missles AT the United Nations Building...and DID try to assassinate Che Guevara--which WOULD have murdered OTHERS along with him.

FACT!

YOU keep denying THAT!

(The missles fell short and fell in river...!)

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Dirt...:

Are YOU saying YOU support and defend the terrorist action of firing missles at the United Nations building?

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But HE DID NOT even try.

People say things all the time to sound TOUGH...for instance.. "Im gonna kill...so-and-so."



He did not have the power to shoot them. He said if he did, he would have.

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HOWEVER--

RIGHT-WING CUBANS here in the USA....DID fire missles AT the United Nations Building...and DID try to assassinate Che Guevara--which WOULD have murdered OTHERS along with him.

FACT!

YOU keep denying THAT!

(The missles fell short and fell in river...!)


What have I denied?

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Dirt...:

Are YOU saying YOU support and defend the terrorist action of firing missles at the United Nations building?


Are YOU saying YOU support straw man's arguments? :)

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Dirt...YOU are upset about things that NEVER HAPPENED.

I however, am relating to YOU the HISTORICAL FACT of the terrorist action of missles being fired at the U.N in NYC.

Why aren't YOU upset about THAT terrorist action?

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I have a suggestion for all of those who are bothered by the lack of service, bad food, pretentious atmosphere or poor choice of advertising that bothers you about this place. La Isla in Hoboken has fabulous Cuban food.

God, I miss Dominic Santana.

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Dirt...YOU are upset about things that NEVER HAPPENED.


I'm stating that what he wanted to do what immoral and indefensible. No more, no less.


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I however, am relating to YOU the HISTORICAL FACT of the terrorist action of missles being fired at the U.N in NYC.

Why aren't YOU upset about THAT terrorist action?


I'm not upset at that terrorist action? From what part of my posts did you get that straw man argument?

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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.

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Dirt...YOU are upset about things that NEVER HAPPENED.


I'm stating that what he wanted to do what immoral and indefensible. No more, no less.


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I however, am relating to YOU the HISTORICAL FACT of the terrorist action of missles being fired at the U.N in NYC.

Why aren't YOU upset about THAT terrorist action?


I'm not upset at that terrorist action? From what part of my posts did you get that straw man argument?

Wow.

A + B, therefore C = D.

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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.


Truth.

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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.

OK, I stopped laughing.
Cuban Americans don't run our government.

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The fact is Che is a political icon throughout the world. Che means struggle for your rights by any means necessary. A true internationalist he fought in Cuba, the Congo and Bolivia.

A generation later Cuban internationalists - with the spirit of Che - broke the back of apartheid South Africa as freedom fighters in Angola.

And today hundreds of Cuban doctors are working in Haiti with the same spirit and with no demands for insurance cards or co-payments.

As for the right-wing Cubans - just take a look at Union City and West New York politics over the last 30 years!

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The fact is Che is a political icon throughout the world. Che means struggle for your rights by any means necessary. A true internationalist he fought in Cuba, the Congo and Bolivia.

A generation later Cuban internationalists - with the spirit of Che - broke the back of apartheid South Africa as freedom fighters in Angola.

And today hundreds of Cuban doctors are working in Haiti with the same spirit and with no demands for insurance cards or co-payments.

As for the right-wing Cubans - just take a look at Union City and West New York politics over the last 30 years!


Killing innocent people is part of "any means necessary"? I don't see that as necessary.

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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.

OK, I stopped laughing.
Cuban Americans don't run our government.


They don't? I guess you were so busy braying you didn't notice that Florida has been a key swing state in presidential elections.

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And today hundreds of Cuban doctors are working in Haiti with the same spirit and with no demands for insurance cards or co-payments.



semi-wrong. its an exchange program Cuba has between Haiti so Cuban doctors can do their residency and training (they do this with African countries too) and in exchange Cuba gets labor from Haiti for their government fields (usually sugar). Haitians are allowed to send their wages (after deductions ofcourse) back to their families. Cuban doctors are ofcourse paid by the state (Cuban government). It's been going on for years and a solution based system.

It has nothing to do with "Che".

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THE ABOVE POSTER WROTE:
"If Che had it his way, he would have *NUKED* New York City during the Cuban Missile Crisis."

Well, Che Guevara...didn't do that.



Only because he couldn't. So keep defending someone who wanted to kill innocent people.


So keep defending someone who wanted to killed innocent people.

Fixed.

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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.

OK, I stopped laughing.
Cuban Americans don't run our government.


They don't? I guess you were so busy braying you didn't notice that Florida has been a key swing state in presidential elections.

I'll spell it out:

U.S. federal positions on international, State Department issues are not dictated by Cuban Americans.

Another way of saying it is:

While Cuban Americans have influence on (not control of) some Florida politics, they are not responsible for the U.S. government's relationship with Cuba.

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1djcview wrote:
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I agree that communism was a bad answer to the Batista regime but we'd be a lot closer to ending communism in Cuba if Cuban Americans would allow free trade with Cuba.

OK, I stopped laughing.
Cuban Americans don't run our government.


They don't? I guess you were so busy braying you didn't notice that Florida has been a key swing state in presidential elections.

I'll spell it out:

U.S. federal positions on international, State Department issues are not dictated by Cuban Americans.

Another way of saying it is:

While Cuban Americans have influence on (not control of) some Florida politics, they are not responsible for the U.S. government's relationship with Cuba.


I'll spell it out:

Wait, I already did.

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Loopy wrote:

"So keep defending someone who wanted to killed innocent people. Fixed."


How many innocents were slaughtered under the Bush 1 regime alone-- in Iraq?

500,000 CHILDREN murdered in IRAQ (due to ILLEGAL sanctions) alone. This is from United Nation figures.

WHO killed 'innocents'...WHO?

Che NEVER attacked USA! NEVER.

However ultra-right-wing Cubans DID try to kill Che and others by firing MISSLES at the UNITED NATIONS in the late 60's. A FACT!

THAT WAS an ACT OF TERRORISM.

I have YET to hear Loopy, or DirtMcGirt condemn those Cuban terror attacks on US soil.

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AGAIN......

Dirt......So, Do YOU...condemn the right-wing Cubans' act of terrorism?

Yes or NO?

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you guys are both wrong, as an insider i know the truth.
Hard Grove Cafe is actually a huge supporter of Zach De la Rocha. The ad was a picture of him, but it was blown up too big by the newspaper, so just his shirt appeared in the ad.

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One person's FREEDOM FIGHTER is another's "terrorist".

Who benifits from the oppression and blockade on CUBA?

Would our 'founding fathers' (and sisters) be considered 'terrorists' by the British?

The very troops being supported NOW---are THEY not killing in Iraq and Afghanistan and torturing (at Guantanamo--IN CUBA)?



Thoughts to ponder while you sit comfortably at your computer.

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Hard Grove really does suck ass, and the service is abysmal. I haven't been there in a very long time and will continue to stay away. I miss the old place.

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One person's FREEDOM FIGHTER is another's "terrorist".

Who benifits from the oppression and blockade on CUBA?

Would our 'founding fathers' (and sisters) be considered 'terrorists' by the British?

The very troops being supported NOW---are THEY not killing in Iraq and Afghanistan and torturing (at Guantanamo--IN CUBA)?



Thoughts to ponder while you sit comfortably at your computer.


What I ponder while I sit comfortably at my computer is that leftists are as one sided and narrow minded as the far right. They both see what they want to see and disregard the rest. (I must be drunk, I'm channeling Paul Simon.) I see little difference between the far left and the far right. In fact, I think they're one and the same. (That's why no one goes from the far left or right to the center. When they switch philosophies they go from one extreme to the other.)

Ridding the Middle East of Christians is not being a "FREEDOM FIGHTER", it's being a right wing assh*le. (And I'm an atheist.)

Murdering women and children is not being a "FREEDOM FIGHTER", it's being the Middle East version of a right wing lunatic.

But you champion their cause because the enemy of your enemy is...

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