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Why are the 14th and 23rd Street stations always an inferno??? It felt like a brick over at the bloody 23rd station tonight - at least 20 degrees hotter than the outside temp. I swear, after 10 minutes of waiting for the damn train, EVERYONE on that platform smelled ripe!

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I\'ve actually heard of people who don\'t use deoderant because they think it\'s poison. Something about magnesium or aluminum soaking into your skin and killing you? It takes all kinds, it really does.


There\'s some pretty reasonable evidence for this. Did you do any research before coming to this conclusion? Regardless of the health risks, deodorant is pretty unnatural if you think about it.

But the population of JC that smells the worst is the rapidly growing set of Indians on work visas. Showering regularly is not part of the culture there, and it\'s not like they are given a handbook on local hygiene at the border. Even Indians who have been here a while still don\'t use toilet paper. Really.

When I worked at an office that had a lot of H1Bs, we regularly had to have new employees informed of our culture of showering daily. We\'d always have an Indian who had been here do the dirty work, but I think there isn\'t much of a stigma towards smelling bad in India, so you can tell someone that they smell bad without creating much offense.

I don\'t think they were ever asked to use deodorant, just to shower daily (or even every other day). You can still smell someone who showers daily but doesn\'t use deodorant, but only if they\'re right next to you, and it\'s just unpleasant.

I once walked into a conference room to interview a candidate, and didn\'t make it all the way to the table before turning around, running out, and throwing up in the bathroom. They got the job anyway.

How right you are, unfortunately embarrassment is not a factor in this smelly community it is a right of passage and culture. Americans are not allowed to stifle culture except their own. Also deodorant is just the half of it what about antiperspirant. Years ago people only took one bath a week usually on a Saturday night after a taffy pull. They also thought it was a waste of water and men were considered sissies if they bathed frequently. I believe Sweden is the most hygienic country on the face of the earth.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

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When its 87 degrees outside with 70% humidity and the subway platform is 147 degrees without any ventilation, people on the subway are probably going perspire, and they probably aren't going to smell very nice either, whether they are wearing deodorant or not.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

Not all brown skinned as some are less shady then others. Also do not judge all for the actions of a few.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

Not all brown skinned as some are less shady then others. Also do not judge all for the actions of a few.


Funny, that's what I thought you were doing - especially since you never seem to miss an opportunity to put down immigrants, particularly Indians, and gush enthusiastically about Caucasian Europeans.

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When its 87 degrees outside with 70% humidity and the subway platform is 147 degrees without any ventilation, people on the subway are probably going perspire, and they probably aren't going to smell very nice either, whether they are wearing deodorant or not.


Very true. However, to be real here, it's been more noteably stinky on the path for a month or so. This hot steamy weather has only been around for a few days.

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August 5th was a real \"red-letter day\" in my travels on the Path system. It started on my usual \"33rd Street\" line from Grove at 8am on the fifth car. Here I was met with the usual crush of passengers but left with plenty of room once we got started. With my son firmly gripping the handle I noticed a clearly pregnant passenger (6-months, i\'m guessing) looking for a seat; none of the healthy/young \"seated\" passengers even looked once. At Pavonia the car added two more pregnant passengers; one that was clearly at 8-months or better...Again no passenger moved. Finally after a group of fellow passengers began to get make some noise one young man stood up just before we reached speed in the tunnel. Awful, really awful...Can\'t stand for three or four stops.

The trip home which started at 5:30 from 9th Street after picking up my five-year old who enjoys sitting up front and looking out the window. Normally this is no issue what-so-ever, but not August 5th; not today. Today standing with legs spread around two bags of workout gear and reading a copy of Runners World with a pair of horn rimmed glasses, plaid long-shorts, button down short sleeved shirt, a smattering of \"tough guy tattoos\" a very androgynous looking fellow with frosted spiked hair wearing \"ladies\" NB running shoes would not allow my 5-year old to grab the handle and look out the window of a nearly empty train car. Four feet of space to his/her left would have allowed for this person to move the needed five inches to let a little boy have a little summer fun! This dude would not even budge for one second...had my 5 year old not been there I would have flipped, but I thought of how that might look to my growing boy; road rage in a train car...not cool. The passengers that saw this were equally upset as I found out after the ride, somehow I should have have just done something; so next time I see this type of behavior I will.

Really nice day on the Path Train. I hope that someday \"Pat\" has a child and gets on a hot Path platform and hopes that the 15 minutes can be passed with the help of a window seat for that \"tired and bored\" child and that a fellow passenger smiles and moves the needed five inches or more. Nice going jackass, I hope you also trip and fall while you go on your next run

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Did you pay a fare for your 5 year old who you think is entitled to the VIEW while riding the train?

Do pregnant women going to work deserve special rights on trains? Do they deserve special rights at WORK? Do they deserve more consideration than an 80 year old?

Is there a dichotomy between a woman saying, "just becasue I am 6 months pregnant there is nothing I cannot do at work"..and then claiming a horrific difficulty in transportation becasue of the pregnancy?

Is it akin to "I am woman hear me roar" and then complaining about someone not opening a car door.

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80-year olds...Are you suggesting that one should not give a seat to a senior? wow, you are more of a jackass than the jackass I met today if that is the case. Xerxes you seem like a s*%t stirrer for no reason. I'll bet you'd move five inches...correct? Rule #7...Men give up your seat to anyone who is A: most if not all women past the age range of 45, B: Children under the age of six, C: pregnant women regardless if they are going to work or just out for a shopping trip in the city, D: Older gentlemen who seem to struggle with the motion of the train...That' the damn rule idiot; right after rule #6 for opening doors and holding them open until everyone passes...Learn something useful and stop your fantasy of being in "300."

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I was on the train today and this 80 year old pregnant woman with a five year old was.....

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Rule #7...Men give up your seat to anyone who is A: most if not all women past the age range of 45, B: Children under the age of six, C: pregnant women regardless if they are going to work or just out for a shopping trip in the city, D: Older gentlemen who seem to struggle with the motion of the train...That' the damn rule idiot;


I think you got this wrong. Men give up their seat to:

A: Hot chicks they want to sleep with
B: Not so hot chicks they think might sleep with them
C: Pregnant hot chicks
D: Cougars

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August 5th With my son firmly gripping the handle I noticed a clearly pregnant passenger (6-months, i\'m guessing) looking for a seat; none of the healthy/young \"seated\" passengers even looked once. At Pavonia the car added two more pregnant passengers; one that was clearly at 8-months or better...Again no passenger moved. Finally after a group of fellow passengers began to get make some noise one young man stood up just before we reached speed in the tunnel. Awful, really awful...Can\'t stand for three or four stops.

The trip home which started at 5:30 from 9th Street after picking up my five-year old who enjoys sitting up front and looking out the window. Normally this is no issue what-so-ever, but not August 5th; not today. Today standing with legs spread around two bags of workout gear and reading a copy of Runners World with a pair of horn rimmed glasses, plaid long-shorts, button down short sleeved shirt, a smattering of \"tough guy tattoos\" a very androgynous looking fellow with frosted spiked hair wearing \"ladies\" NB running shoes would not allow my 5-year old to grab the handle and look out the window of a nearly empty train car. Four feet of space to his/her left would have allowed for this person to move the needed five inches to let a little boy have a little summer fun! This dude would not even budge for one second...had my 5 year old not been there I would have flipped, but I thought of how that might look to my growing boy; road rage in a train car...not cool. The passengers that saw this were equally upset as I found out after the ride, somehow I should have have just done something; so next time I see this type of behavior I will.

I guess chivalry is finally dead. Men at least should get up for a pregnant woman if not any woman at that, I do. As far as moving a few feet for a wide-eyed child why couldn't he do that ? I've seen some people not adhere to the conductor's request to move away from the conductor's standing area feeling they paid for a trip and are soaking up their entitlement fee. There are a lot of walking bi-polar time bombs out there just waiting for an excuse to explode so just take it where it comes from.

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Let's try not to generalize, because the PATH train just brings out the worst in people. The ride is so unpleasant sometimes, that I just plug in my iPod, close my eyes and tune out the world. It's not that I wouldn't give up my seat to an elderly person or pregnant lady - I just don't see them sometimes in that press of hot, sweaty bodies. On the flip side, I got into a car at 33rd Street one evening recently. It was hot and I was sweating rivulets because I had been practically running in that steamy tunnel to make the train. Three passengers were concerned enough to offer me their seats - I declined all three times. I thought to myself: "this is unusual, why are all these people suddenly being nice?" Then I caught my reflection in the window. Because it was a hot day, I was wearing a loose fitting empire-waisted dress. That's when it dawned on me: "Crap, they think I'm pregnant!!!"

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Do pregnant women going to work deserve special rights on trains? Do they deserve special rights at WORK? Do they deserve more consideration than an 80 year old?


And you obviously have been pregnant before right? Next time you take the PATH, insert a 6 pound weight on your bladder on the inside and jiggle around.

At work pregnant women CAN do anything because they have access to a chair and a bathroom.

It makes the ride more comfortable for a pregnant woman!

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I think JadedJC is right; the PATH is so unpleasant it brings out the worst in people. Its sort of like the apocalypse every time you ride the thing, so your fellow passengers are relying on survival instincts.

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the people who get mad over getting bumped by a large backpack or smelly person are the same ones who get outraged when someone bumps into you at a club.

get over it. it's crowded. if it weren't crowded, they wouldnt bump into you. you're not seriously hurt. no blood was spilled. get over it

and along the same lines, make it a habit to stand whenever youre on the path. it's a 15 min ride FFS... standing during that time won't kill you. this way you wont have to get your panties in a bunch when a prego mommy to be looks at you longingly for your cherished seat.

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Sitting on the PATH is weak.

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and along the same lines, make it a habit to stand whenever youre on the path. it's a 15 min ride FFS... standing during that time won't kill you. this way you wont have to get your panties in a bunch when a prego mommy to be looks at you longingly for your cherished seat.

I always stand why break someone's fall reason being if you are sitting and some big gargantuan falls over and lands on you...crush. Also some woman had an epileptic fit, she twirled, then dropped, luckily there was a PATH agent on that middle car so he called for help on his radio.

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If only the Port Authority would install the seats that flip up at rush hour as the MTA has proposed / tested. There would be a lot more room and then we wouldn't need to argue about giving up seats to old women and perverts.

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Its presumptuous to club all pregnant women as invalids and as being in dire need of a seat. But there are some women who do need help. I rode the PATH to work till the last day and luckily was fine throughout. It was great when someone did offer me a seat, and without exception each time it was another woman who gave me a seat. The only time a man offered me a seat, it was a labourer who didn't speak English. I have to say I got some education about the PATH riders during my pregnancy.

I still do give my seat to a disabled person, except at 33rd street. I feel if someone is disabled and they needed a seat, they could wait for the next train instead of getting into a crowded one. On the flip side, for the non-disabled, if you do not want to offer your seat, its fine, but just make sure you do not push a pregant woman or jab her. That is just not acceptable!

With the newly designed cars, why did they remove the center pole? We should've got more standing space and fewer seats and also some more poles to hold on to.

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With the newly designed cars, why did they remove the center pole? We should've got more standing space and fewer seats and also some more poles to hold on to.

So no one would crowd the train near the doors, another reason they have the 3 door cars.

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So no one would crowd the train near the doors, another reason they have the 3 door cars.


Yes, that does make sense. But without the pole to hold on to, how are people expected to stand in the centre of the car? Anyway, the few times I rode the new train it wasn't crowded. I'll reserve judgement and wait to see how it fares when its packed.

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I still do give my seat to a disabled person, except at 33rd street. I feel if someone is disabled and they needed a seat, they could wait for the next train instead of getting into a crowded one.


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I've said it before on here and I am going to say it again:

Its not just the man's responsibility to get up for a pregnant woman. Women should do it too. Why? Because this is not 1953.

You fought for equality and won. You can't have it both ways ladies.

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To my Path Nemesises (Nemesi?):

The A-hole who is more concerned with downloading an App on his Iphone than walking in a straight line.

The guy with the 7ft wide umbrella open when it isn't even raining.

That same guy with the 7ft wide umbrella swinging it and almost impaling the people behind him.

The person in front of me who stops short to answer a text message.

The person who realizes at the turnstile that they need a path card to enter and the proceed to rummage through their purse/murse to find it.

The a-hole who stands on the left side of the down escalator and wonders why everyone is staring at him...

The person who stands in front of the open door on the train, blocking entry for the rest of us, so as not to give up his great position to exit first at exchange place. (If you replace "door on train", with "Door on elevator" at exchange place, it reads the same...)

To the sweaty guy who has to lean on the hand-pole with a complete disregard to those of us who are holding on to it.

And to Bernie Minenblatt, Debbie Duhaime, the loud cell-phone-talker going into the tunnel ("Hello? Hello? I think i'm going to lose you in the tunnel"), and all the other obnoxious people....

Thank you for riding NJ Transit! It just wouldn't be the same without you...

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One time I had just gotten my haircut in the city and then jumped on the subway to go downtown. This totally cute young man, maybe 19 or 20 got up from his seat and asked me to sit down... like a gentleman. He did not want to have sex me... he just thought I should sit because I am a female. He clearly was visiting from the South or some other part of our country. So here I was, a tired, over-worked, new mom with a fresh hairdo and a seat on the subway given to me from a cutie... wow. It just made my day.


It's nice to be treated like a lady. Eventhough it only happens once in a blue moon. I am glad I didn't say, "oh, no thanks" and instead I graciously accepted.

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I guess too many women were pole dancing on the train.

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This totally cute young man, maybe 19 or 20 got up from his seat and asked me to sit down... like a gentleman. He did not want to have sex me...



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