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Maybe something as simple as making the bridge a one-way away from downtown between 7-10am would solve this problem?
Posted on: 2011/10/6 11:36
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For Lafayette residents, the bridge is a must. Pacific Ave. from Johnston to Grand is a parking lot every morning from about 7:45 - 8:45. Millions of cars cut through to get to downtown / Holland, half of them with New York plates, and traffic backs up for blocks - residents of the neighborhood are trapped by nonresident commuters. Yesterday it took me 10 minutes to drive from Maple St. to Grand, a distance of a few hundred feet that can be walked in less time.
All of those cars will be going downtown and to the Holland anyway, so I don't follow the logic that a bridge will increase congestion there. If anything, by providing two access points rather than one, it should to some extent dilute congestion while improving quality of life for Lafayette residents.
Posted on: 2011/10/6 13:17
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> Yesterday it took me 10 minutes to drive from Maple St.
> to Grand, a distance of a few hundred feet that can be > walked in less time. So why didn't you? Robin.
Posted on: 2011/10/6 13:19
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Because I recently sprained my ankle. My wife drives to work in S. Orange and dropped me off at the PATH. Do you want to know what I had for dinner last night and why? I could ride the bus, and sometimes do when it's pouring rain or 10-below, and experience the same gridlock. BTW - I posted this on 1/17 in the thread "Bergen Lafayette?": "I live in Lafayette. I walk to the PATH every morning for work - exactly 20 mins. (1.3 miles according to Google Maps, but you can save a few minutes by cutting across the Pathmark shopping center parking lot.)"
Posted on: 2011/10/6 14:24
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Your understandable desire for a solution apparently makes you deaf to reason. I'll try again: If you went "poof" with your wand, and every car that cuts through B-L suddenly went up the Jersey extension, eventually an equal number of the thousands of cars making their way up to 14C will realize that there's a route that has suddenly been cleared of traffic. And soon that route will fill again to the same traffic pressure point at which additional drivers will say "F-it, that route is no faster than staying on till Columbus or 12th St". And you'll have the same number of cars on your street and Downtown will have twice as many than before cutting through OUR local streets. Can you hear me now? My preferred solution would never be implemented because the TPK Authority couldn't give crap about our local problems: Have a 1 hour lockout from using EZPass to enter the tunnel if you exit the Tpk before 12th st during rush.
Posted on: 2011/10/6 23:11
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VVP area already gets a C- on pedestrian friendliness. Add this ridiculous bridge extension and you'll be at D- in no time. Really bad idea. Jersey already gets way backed up with obnoxious drivers at rush hour times.
Good luck crossing or turning onto Jersey Ave downtown residents...
Posted on: 2011/10/7 7:09
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Brewster, I think it'd be fair to argue that if commuters discovered this new shortcut was faster than going through BL to get into downtown, then yes, it very well could relieve congestion in that area. You're right that it wouldn't do anything to alleviate the traffic in downtown, but even based on your logic, it's still not impossible that it could help the flow in BL.
As far as your solution, I think it's only fair to keep in mind that nobody is doing anything wrong or illegal by cutting through downtown to get to the tunnel, and therefore shouldn't be punished for doing so. These are all public streets and we don't have any more right to say can and cannot drive on them based on our own personal desires. I think this is where I'm supposed to tell you to move to the suburbs, right?
Posted on: 2011/10/7 10:16
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study after study has shown that increasing surface area (widening roads, adding new routes) does little to ease congestion. as the traffic lightens up, more people choose to drive, and the car load simply increases to fill the available space. see: outer loop, Atlanta Georgia.
Posted on: 2011/10/7 10:22
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Intially I thought this was a great idea but now I am completely against it. I rode my bike through the path that connects Jersey Ave to LSP at 715 this morning. I ride from downtown and generally dodge cars/hope that I don't get hit until I hit Jersey Ave. If this road connects these two areas, I doubt it will ease congestion. People will re-route their commute. Additionally, it will not longer be a peaceful entrance to the park.
Posted on: 2011/10/7 10:34
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I dunno Biscuit, this is like talking to some sect with a immutable belief system. they don't even argue the point, they just pretend it wasn't made.
Posted on: 2011/10/7 10:56
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You got me. We're the JC Traffic Apologists Sect.
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Posted on: 2011/10/7 11:12
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I remember talking with people in the know about this extension and they all said that traffic calming measures would have to be in place before this even happens. One was to not even have the extension open to traffic heading into JC at certain times. Remember this is not a giant 4 lane highway that was talked about a decade ago. It's a narrow two lane with stop lights.
Don't believe all the hype that all these DT JC nutters will try and have you believe.
Posted on: 2011/10/7 11:17
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If you are so concerned, you should move out of Bergen-Lafayette into the downtown. Also its not millions of cars. I don't even think its tens of thousands. I believe the circulation study pegged it in the 9,000 per hour range. Its been a while since I've read it, so maybe it was about 12,000. Even so, that's not even a plural tens of thousands. Almost every car passing over a bridge on Jersey Avenue would also drive right passed the light rail station. Perhaps some of those drivers should take the train instead of driving. Extra access will just mean more cars getting off the turnpike at 14C and cutting through the downtown rather than traveling to Columbus Drive, or HFS, staying on the turnpike until 12th Street. Ultimately it will mean craploads more cars for Lafayette as well as more and more commuters think they are beating the traffic by getting off at 14c.
Posted on: 2011/10/7 11:19
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Kinda like I just suggested?
Posted on: 2011/10/7 11:19
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Snibe, umm, can you explain how a bridge that's closed during high traffic would ease traffic through B-L at those hours?
Posted on: 2011/10/7 12:47
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My point about that was the bridge could serve the purpose of extending Jersey Ave but not making it an option for the morning commute. Losing track of what I'm debating. Should've laid off that last hit of acid..................
Posted on: 2011/10/7 13:04
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This bridge will dramatically increase traffic on Jersey Ave. If you're complaining about people not stopping at cross walks now, just wait until all the bayonne people and south jersey people can avoid traffic on the turnpike with a nice cut through the park.
If it does go through, we should demand stop signs on every block between there and the tunnel. It'll be traffic hell either way.
Posted on: 2011/10/9 8:30
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Jersey Avenue I believe is a county road. Which means the city wouldn't even be able to put stop signs up.
Posted on: 2011/10/9 12:05
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Does anyone have any info on the bridge that is going built to connect Jersey Ave to Liberty State Park?
Posted on: 2012/5/2 23:00
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JC applied to the Feds for a grant (Tiger Fund?) but did not get it.
That's the last I heard.
Posted on: 2012/5/3 8:57
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Any delay is a good delay. Liberty State Park will become Liberty State Parking Lot, when this auto bridge gets built.
Calm, quiet spots are disappearing fast. We used to have a "great lawn" at LSP. There is now a (private) marina located on the site. Development all over LSP has been booming. But, an updated pedestrian bridge would be nice. Green spaces are important. Any thing we can collectively do to further delay an auto bridge is a good thing. (Not from downtown).
Posted on: 2012/5/3 12:25
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JC really needs to get with the program and stop catering to the needs of drivers. Which JC residents would benefit from having a vehicle bridge to the park via jersey ave?
Posted on: 2012/5/3 15:00
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I've mentioned it earlier and have been told I'm "deaf to reason," but I'll say it again: residents of Lafayette would potentially benefit from this, as Pacific Ave. is a parking lot in the morning thanks to all of the Staten Island & Bayonne commuters using our neighborhood as a shortcut to points further in. My fellow residents in other parts of JC complain about congestion and access issues in their neighborhoods resulting from non-JC commuters, and it's just as annoying to us in Lafayette as it is to residents of Hamilton Park, VVP, etc. The argument that such a bridge would only increase the volume of outside commuters makes sense, and I'm not insisting that it's the best or only solution. The problem could likely be solved if the city would bother to introduce some disincentives or traffic control measures to reduce flow from outside. However, the current administration has made it pretty clear that it's not interested in entertaining JC citizens' views on any number of transportation & quality of life issues - so there's something I think we can all agree on. (One final thought - the current access points to Liberty State Park are an embarrassment. LSP is one of JC's absolute gems, but current access is either via the putrid pedestrian bridge, or the crumbling / unlit / chronically flooded Johnston Ave. underpass. To play the bright side game, at least a new bridge would create the appearance that JC takes pride in this remarkable resource.)
Posted on: 2012/5/3 17:17
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From the new bridge to Grand the road would become a bit of a drag-strip probably leading to more accidents and deaths like the recent one on Grand.
http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... =&topic_id=26076&forum=10 On traffic calming, I don't understand why we can't get the school crossing guards to make more liberal use of traffic cones during school hours. A few forced detours on Erie, Jersey Ave and Monmouth in the mornings couldn't hurt.
Posted on: 2012/5/3 17:32
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I'm already a little nervous when I walk my daughter to school (P.S. 3), because it entails crossing at Grand Street and Jersey Avenue. Adding the traffic from the extension will only make it worse.
Posted on: 2012/5/3 17:40
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I hope this does not happen. I bike through there on my way to and from the Path train specifically to avoid car traffic. I see a lot of bikers, runners, and walkers going through there. It's quiet and a nice break from traffic. It's already bad enough that cars can drive through LSP at all. What they should do is make a nicer pedestrian path connecting it with Jersey Ave.
It should be well known at this point in time that more roads = more traffic. More people just "passing through" instead of people out walking and enjoying their environment. And crossing Grand is already scary enough as it is.
Posted on: 2012/5/3 20:53
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The Jersey ave extension is definitely going to happen. We just don't know when.
Traffic calming would be needed to deter people from speeding....speed bumps, or traffic lights. Second, I have been walking home from Grove at night to Lafayette and have been tempted to walk down Jersey ave into LSP. The only problem is that it is desolate and creepy. Pedestrian safety and crime is what's on my mind. If someone attacks you there, good luck trying to get help. If it was a regular well lit roadway it would be much better to walk and commute for those that are trying to make it to the path station or downtown. Although the downtown residents have expressed that this will create a problem the fact of the matter is that Lafayette is plagued with traffic trying to get TO downtown. It should be expected that DT jersey city will continue to be more and more congested with more people trying to live near NYC. If you want more space or less traffic there are beautiful huge spacious homes with driveways all over, Bergen Lafayette and Greenville, not to mention cheaper! 
Posted on: 2012/5/4 10:30
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I'd actually like to see a new bridge built, but maybe with specific traffic calming features like traffic circles and/or speed bumps, and making the road one-way against the commute) during rush hours. As the area around Liberty Harbor develops down the road this could help make the area at the foot of Jersey less desolate. And hopefully traffic calming could avoid it becoming a highway.
Posted on: 2012/5/4 10:58
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Given the planned development for both sides of the canal, building a road bridge is probably inevitable.
Posted on: 2012/5/4 11:05
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I just don't understand the continued emphasis on vehicular traffic. Especially when seemingly every other city in the country is going in the opposite direction.
My thought is that by NOT building roads, extending roads, widening roads, etc, you are steering more people to consider taking mass transit, which will in turn increase service provided by the mass transit agencies. That southernmost corridor of Jersey Ave WILL eventually be developed (the eastern side of the road by Liberty Harbor, and the western side by somebody else I believe) ... so it won't be desolate. A nice new pedestrian bridge is all that is needed down there.
Posted on: 2012/5/4 11:57
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