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The vast overwhelming majority of cases in the priest scandals do not fall under the definition of paedophilia. Rather they are just homosexual predators and part of significant expression of homosexuality.

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This is viewed as homophobic so the distinction is not allowed to be drawn.


When men sexually assault women, do you identify the culprits’ apparent heterosexuality as a dominant factor in their crimes? Do you acknowledge the “problem” of their orientation?

Do you engage the the same type of pointlessly abstract intellectual gymnastics? Does anyone?

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It is insanely impressive how Yvonne is wrong about just everything in the world. Amazing.


I have been following this more closely than you, JC man24. McCarrick's problem has touched the Vatican is because he went after minors as well as adult men in the seminary. McCarrick would invite seminarians to his beach house where there was only one bedroom. Not all the seminarians took kindly to McCarrick, some transferred to other seminarians and now many of them are posting on Catholic websites. McCarrick's nickname was "Uncle Ted." Pope Benedict stripped McCarrick of all privileges and was basically under house arrest. Pope Francis restored his privileges. So the former Archbishop of Newark will probably bring down the present pope in the Vatican. Abp. Carlo Maria Viganò, the former nuncio to the United States said this Pope Francis knew about McCarrick because he told him.

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It is insanely impressive how Yvonne is wrong about just everything in the world. Amazing.


Well, what's most amazing is how publicly vocal she is with her wrongness. There's plenty of wrong people who simply vote for idiots and fascists. She must prove it online, and in government meetings and newspapers.

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It is insanely impressive how Yvonne is wrong about just everything in the world. Amazing.

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Again, Jersey Mom- you are absolutely correct. The fish rots from the head down. Bergoglio has magnified the problem beyond belief from day one. Tobin, locally, is a creature of McCarrick

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Usuually, it is helpful to be precise when one speaks. That's why defnitions matter.

Paedophlia is is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[4] A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia.

The vast overwhelming majority of cases in the priest scandals do not fall under the definition of paedophilia. Rather they are just homosexual predators and part of significant expression of homosexuality. See wikipedia article on ephebophilia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia Any educated person who has read Plato's Symposium knows all about it!

This is viewed as homophobic so the distinction is not allowed to be drawn. The result is that the problem, homosexuality, is not addressed. Homosexuals are not suppossed to be ordained per canon law. But that has been inverted so that heterosexuals are driven out. See, for example, Good Bye Good Men, by Michael Rose.

Outrageously, every parent volunteer at OLC and any other Catholic place is subjected to a bull shit training, Virtus, which never mentions homosexuality, which pretends the abuse is done by lay people, and which was devloped by a homosexual and which is required by the insurance company which is privately owned by bishops.

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I don't understand why this conversation is getting hung up on clinical definitions? Pedophilia pertains to pre-pubescent children. That being said, kids of all ages are being abused. Can we leave the Latin aside and worry about all of them?


Thank you. Each and every time someone tries to deflect or rationalize this behavior is another time a victim is marginalized. There are so many more that are afraid to come forward because of the judgment and shame.

These priests were "men of God" - weaponizing God with threats of eternal damnation to often manipulate and overpower their victims. Can you imagine being a youngster grappling with that kind of threat?

Their victims are boys AND girls - of all ages and backgrounds. The life-long repercussions of these crimes include much higher rates of depression, substance abuse and suicide.

The fish stinks at the head - and it has for a very long time. Unless the Church faces this scandal once and for all - with heads rolling from the very top of the mountain, they will (continue to) lose their faithful.

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I don't understand why this conversation is getting hung up on clinical definitions? Pedophilia pertains to pre-pubescent children. That being said, kids of all ages are being abused. Can we leave the Latin aside and worry about all of them?

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Holy shit - Do you even read what you write?????

I do not know you but I am certain you should have nothing to do with children ever.



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I will tell you why I don't buy the term pedophilia, it is just to pigeon hole the sex abuse to one group. It is not. According to the John Jay report, 5% were under 10, the majority was teenage boys. If that is pedophilia then the late Harvey Milk practiced pedophilia because he teen lover was 16 years old. Several months ago, I read about a man who left prison and burglarized a home. He end up raping the homeowner, a female of 84 years. He was going to rape someone female and the age did not matter. I am sure if the victim was 12 female, the press would have labeled him pedophilia, too.

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Those are good and fair questions , Jersey Mom. You know, Fr. Gerry seems like a nice enough old man, gentle and on the Liberal side. It is a little unusual for a priest of such an age to be serving as an assistant. I guess I should have googled Fr. Gerry's name, I guess. I don't know. Fr. Page seems like the rare competent and responsible priest in today's Church. And in mitigation of his resopnsiblity, he has only been at the parish since February and it has had a history of very liberal heterodox and latitidunaiarn approach to sexuality. Also, Fr. Page could have been told it was a "boundary issue," something well short of sexual abuse many years ago and so many years of faithful service had interveened. He might, in fact, had had no access to the nature of the wrongdoing other than the broadest and most euphemic term since the vicitm's statement giving the lurid details only came out on 8/19/18. Still the sexual abuse that happens usually involves grooming of the youngster with the active encouragement of the family. If you read Hanratty's account, that demonstrates it. True paedophiles, on the other hand, seem to have an almost unbelieveable modus operandi.

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I am not hear to cover this up. I believe things need to change and change quickly.

This was told to us as well. There were previous allegations presented, at that time they were investigated they could not be substantiated (so I was told).

Let me say it again. This need to stop! Things need to change! These criminals that are hiding in sheep's clothing need to be brought to justice. If it was my child, you can believe me I would be behind bars for murder.

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As soon as this became known to the Monsignor at OLC, Father Jerry was put on restricted duties, within a week of finding out he has been kicked out of OLC. Father Brian of OLC notified the parishioners at Sunday's mass and let them know right away. He and all Catholics are ashamed that this black mark reflects all of us when it is the act of so few.

I believe each and everyone of these Priests should have a long and stiff prison sentence. This cancer of the church must be removed. But this in noway diminishes my belief in the Church and what it stands for.

I pray for all the victims that they may find closure with this.


So tell me - this article from 2007 popped up on a very quick Google search:

http://www.snapnetwork.org/news/other ... 61007_battle_5_years.html

Are you telling me that the smart Monsignor didn't know of these allegations previously? The canonical "trial" settled the claim satisfactorily - or the 5-figure payout to the victim was sufficient to take care of potential concerns?

Someone put a predator in front of our children - and the archdiocese clearly knew about his past. That's the continued shame and gall of it all - and why Catholics are losing faith.

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As soon as this became known to the Monsignor at OLC, Father Jerry was put on restricted duties, within a week of finding out he has been kicked out of OLC. Father Brian of OLC notified the parishioners at Sunday's mass and let them know right away. He and all Catholics are ashamed that this black mark reflects all of us when it is the act of so few.

I believe each and everyone of these Priests should have a long and stiff prison sentence. This cancer of the church must be removed. But this in noway diminishes my belief in the Church and what it stands for.

I pray for all the victims that they may find closure with this.

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This problem will continue because people here rationalize certain behaviors. I was watching Bishop Barron who makes youtube videos on church matters. He developed the series called "Catholicism." Bishop Barron said it is clericalism, grave sin, and homosexuality as the main cause of the scandal. This was a 24 minute interview by his staff called "Word on Fire." I know I will get hate for this. I don't care, the bishop hit the problem on the head.

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I will tell you why I don't buy the term pedophilia, it is just to pigeon hole the sex abuse to one group. It is not. According to the John Jay report, 5% were under 10, the majority was teenage boys. If that is pedophilia then the late Harvey Milk practiced pedophilia because he teen lover was 16 years old. Several months ago, I read about a man who left prison and burglarized a home. He end up raping the homeowner, a female of 84 years. He was going to rape someone female and the age did not matter. I am sure if the victim was 12 female, the press would have labeled him pedophilia, too.


Get some help. I'm genuinely worried about you.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help/index.shtml

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While people here talk about pedophilia priests, McCarrick known victims were 11, 16 and many were in their 20s, men in the seminary. I don't buy the concept of pedophilia but access to males in general. My contributions to the church probably helped pay for the $180,000 payout by the Archdiocese of Newark to one of McCarrick's victims. The Catholic Church is an institution but the nonsense has been going on in Hollywood according to former child actor Corey Feldman for a long time.


11 year-olds are kids. 16 year-olds are kids. The guy in the original story below was 10 at the time. He was a kid.

This priest in the Archdiocese of Newark was/is a monster and should suffer the consequences of his actions. Your contributions to the church undoubtedly were part of the McCarrick settlement payout. And you have every right to be angry as all get-out at the Archdiocese and the Vatican over how they've handled these types of cases here and around the world.

Yet instead, you're splitting hairs over how old a child can be for the abuse to be considered "pedophilia" vs "pederasty," which is inconsequential to the fact that either is illegal abuse of children. And you're pointing at Stalin, gay dudes from Colombia (It's Colombia, not Columbia, you know), Hollywood, etc., looking for anything to scapegoat other than the failings of the Archdiocese of Newark and other Catholic leadership. What a sad, sick display.

Maybe instead of looking for scapegoats you should think about accountability next time you toss your envelope into the collection plate.

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I will tell you why I don't buy the term pedophilia, it is just to pigeon hole the sex abuse to one group. It is not. According to the John Jay report, 5% were under 10, the majority was teenage boys. If that is pedophilia then the late Harvey Milk practiced pedophilia because he teen lover was 16 years old. Several months ago, I read about a man who left prison and burglarized a home. He end up raping the homeowner, a female of 84 years. He was going to rape someone female and the age did not matter. I am sure if the victim was 12 female, the press would have labeled him pedophilia, too.

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Wow I hope to dear God you don't have any children.

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While people here talk about pedophilia priests, McCarrick known victims were 11, 16 and many were in their 20s, men in the seminary. I don't buy the concept of pedophilia but access to males in general. My contributions to the church probably helped pay for the $180,000 payout by the Archdiocese of Newark to one of McCarrick's victims. The Catholic Church is an institution but the nonsense has been going on in Hollywood according to former child actor Corey Feldman for a long time.

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This Pope seems more concerned with our President than the horrible pedophile priests that have been a problem for a long time. Time to step up, Papa.

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Actually, the allegations are really bad. Here's is the statement of the victim. https://reverbpress.news/features/brea ... ce-catholic-priest-abuse/

I did not finish the thought in my last post which was merely to invoke our Lord's statment that harming a child is an evil greater than any other. ("...better that a millstone be cast around the neck" of such a sinner.


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The man, now grown alleges hugs and kisses) and settled for an action in the high five figures accoring to articles online. Sometimes one just sees the tip of the ice berg and maybe there is even more. But, as things go, these allegations are not horrific (no gential involvement, no sodomy, no fellatio), though certainly inappropriate and the man should have been defrocked.

But Yvonne is absolutely correct that the overwhelming majority of the sexual abuse has been the homosexual predation of young men, from puperty into their early 20s. There is ample literature on this, both poplular and scholarly.

Paedephilia hysteria is a means to deflect from the predatory homosexuals represented by McCarrick and his allies. Read the recent letter by the former papal nuncio Vigano who is now in hiding. Pope Francis is a creature of McCarrick, elected through a sort of putsch by the homosexuals- some who pretend to be Catholic most who don't and ally themselves with the cultural elite and so don't talk about Christian dogma and morals but about the environment, refugees, LGBT issues, etc.

OLC, btw, has long been a center of non Catholic practice which tolerated if not celebrated homosexuality and Tom Iwanowski was associated closely with McCarrick and his allies and ilk.

Recently, Fr. Bryan Page was appointed. He had been chaplain at Princeton and seems to be a good man and good priest.


The Catholic Church and Catholics have more or less adopted the sexual mores of the culture. "Catholics" now divorce, contracept, fornicate, sodomize at rates not distingushable from their neighors. The remnant in the church still holding fast to Christianity is now in a out and out war against Pope Francis, and his allies (Cardinal Tobin, Wuerl, Chupic McElroy, Mariaga, Kasper, Tagle etc) to see who wins.

These misdeeds are terrible- and it is no real consolation that this abuse occurs at even higher levels in secular settings, e.g., public schools, teams, etc. As the very idea of a sexual ethic becomes merely a quaint concept (most people today subscribe to the belief of do whatever you want so long as no one is hurt), I think that there will unfortuantely be only more abuse. The me-too movement is really where the sexual revolution takes us to.

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Here is a letter from Holy Apostles Seminary concerning homosexual seminarians. In a nut shell, gay men in Columbia were kicked out of seminary in Columbia and came to the US where they were told the culture is gay friendly. Some went to Holy Apostles Seminary in the US. They took swift action.
https://www.holyapostles.edu/swift-dis ... -taken-on-campus-in-2012/

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Pedophilia is sex abuse on children 10 years old or younger, this is not the problem according to the John Jay sex report done by former FBI in 2004. 5% would be pedophilia, this is sex with teens. The term is pederasty or an adolescent male.


The victim in the article was ten years old when the abuse began, because math.

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Good to know Yvonne is on the case, trying to muddy the waters on talking about pedophile priests. Blaming the Catholic church's rampant pedophilia, sex abuse, and coverups on gay people? Excusing it as "not really pedophilia anyway?"

What would we do without our resident persecuted Catholic?

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How about just plain old sexual assault of a minor, since you feel like being technical. And the Church covered it up. I would fine them into poverty.

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Pedophilia is sex abuse on children 10 years old or younger, this is not the problem according to the John Jay sex report done by former FBI in 2004. 5% would be pedophilia, this is sex with teens. The term is pederasty or an adolescent male.

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Why is the church so happy to fall on it's sword about this pedophilia problem rather than just let priests marry and have families like most other religion's clergy? Then you would get NORMAL people into the clergy, as celibacy IS a sexual deviance to begin with! As I understand it, it originated to keep medieval clergy from creating their own priestly dynasties, though it didn't stop the Borgias. Pre 1139 ce celibacy was not required of clergy.

I can't think of a better thing to bring that church into the 21st century than ending celibacy, except allowing women to be priests.

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