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Re: Group wants new highway leading to Jersey City Waterfront
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Even if technically the pedestrian bridge should remain, I hope we don't loose access to LSP if they have to level the access roads on both sides. Sandy was hard enough.

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This bridge was planned long before the LSC expansion, but I'd agree that it's the final touch that makes it a "done deal". I remember talking about this bridge pre-2010, I believe. Definitely well before Sandy.

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Fulop wants easy access from downtown to the LSC expansion project, it's a done deal I'd say.

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What point exactly was that? That it's better to pay for a third (or, more likely, half) of a $30 billion project than it is to pay for the majority of an $8.5 billion - or even $10 billion project? Pissing away ten years on the hope he could prove he was a tough guy worthy of votes in Iowa and NH is something we'll all be paying for with higher taxes for a long time to come.

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The main reason Gov Christie killed the tunnel is simple. NJ would have solely responsible to pay for the inevitable multi billion dollar cost overruns. NY, the Feds, the PA would not be responsible for a penny. It was a suckers deal, and he was right to flush it. The most recent proposal is much more equitable, proving his point.

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Lo and behold, tomorrow the City Council will propose the Jersey Avenue auto bridge, adding $3 million of city money to the $10 million of state money already allocated.


such an awful idea. study after study shows that more roads = more cars on the road. this bridge will ease traffic for a short time, before commuters go, "oh hey, a new way to drive!" and get back into their cars. downtown will be a clusterf*ck, and there's no putting that genie back into the bottle.

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Lo and behold, tomorrow the City Council will propose the Jersey Avenue auto bridge, adding $3 million of city money to the $10 million of state money already allocated.

Posted on: 4/10 14:35
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The main reason Gov Christie killed the tunnel is simple. NJ would have solely responsible to pay for the inevitable multi billion dollar cost overruns. NY, the Feds, the PA would not be responsible for a penny. It was a suckers deal, and he was right to flush it. The most recent proposal is much more equitable, proving his point.

Posted on: 4/9 18:36
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Do you think the state or federal government will spend tens of millions to improve mass transit? Look how Christie killed the tunnel because it required matching funds. A real serious problem facing JC are the number of cars that travel into JC. They use local streets to get to their destinations.


The spending for the ARC tunnel, one of the largest mass transit projects in the country, was all set. Christie unilaterally killed it because he wanted to divert the money to road projects that benefitted Republican leaning areas. He then worked out a new deal, and Trump is trying to kill it for no other reason than animus towards Chuck Schumer.

The right government leaders will spend money, even tens of millions, on mass transit. We don't have the right leader in Washington, who kills a project out of pure political spite.

Posted on: 4/9 17:13
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Do you think the state or federal government will spend tens of millions to improve mass transit? Look how Christie killed the tunnel because it required matching funds. A real serious problem facing JC are the number of cars that travel into JC. They use local streets to get to their destinations.

Posted on: 4/9 13:03
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Cities nationwide (in fact, worldwide) are tearing down their highways that tore neighborhoods apart (Embarcadero San Francisco, Harbor Drive Portland, Park East Milwaukee, Alaskan Way Seattle). And, JC has long touted its growth as being "without an additional lane of downtown highway". This would be one of the most regressive and short-sighted things that the City could do.

The fact that cars speed on Grand Street is a two-fold problem. First, enforcement. Second, design. A street that wide subconsciously encourages drivers to speed. Despite what the layman might think in terms of accommodating vehicles, reducing the number of lanes there would be beneficial to the safety of the street. Why should we care if waterfront-bound vehicles can get there from 14C in 10 minutes or 15 minutes? I don't - I care about the safety of the neighbors, the aesthetics of the street, and my neighborhood.

Getting to JC via a mode other than a car should be prioritized. This includes improving and expanding mass transit. The idea (on another thread) of splitting the 14C tolls to two exits and two price points (one for downtown destinations and one for Holland Tunnel-bound traffic) would also help, maybe not with getting to the waterfront but for reducing the use of local streets for through-traffic.

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+1 When I looked at the "proposal" my first reaction was that it came from a different era. Or someone who pretends to have some influence. Anyone who has driven the turnpike extension by jones park recently should have seen the construction there, from LeFrak and others. There will be soon hundred of people sleeping by the chemical train tracks..., or above the spectra gas pipeline.

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So are we just going to ignore the fact that their proposed "bypass" goes through new and under-construction high-rise buildings that don't show up on the google image they used?

Are we going to ignore the fact that their "Exit 14D" ramps take out an active freight railroad?

Are we going to ignore the fact that light rail through the Bergen Arches cannot share tracks with freight and passenger commuter rail unless there's a time-of-day separation like the River Line (but that's much harder to do because there's many times more rail traffic here), so you'd need to find a new way for LRT tracks to get from the Arches to SEC JCT?

Looks like someone drew some lines on a map without checking what's on the ground there, and then hired a DC lobbying firm to push the quarter-baked "idea."

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1&9 is filled of traffic entering JC and will just travel on the local streets.

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great idea. imo, the state/city should be using its limited resources to improve mass transitQuote:

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Using the Bergen Arches for a light rail line from Secaucus Junction park-n-ride lots to downtown Waterfront is a far better idea. There's no reason to encourage more cars to come downtown.

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Using the Bergen Arches for a light rail line from Secaucus Junction park-n-ride lots to downtown Waterfront is a far better idea. There's no reason to encourage more cars to come downtown.


Agreed, in theory. But, there IS an issue at the moment with a large amount of out-of-town commuters that drive into the waterfront area, and they are (generally) assholes and maniacs, who tend to fly down Grand at very high speeds (if you are doing 40 on Grand, you are likely annoying people who feel you are holding them back.)

Not sure what is the answer, but something SHOULD be done. If a "mini highway" into the waterfront is not the answer, then some speed enforcement would be nice, coupled with things like changing the timing of traffic lights, adding STOP signs at uncontrolled intersections, and... yes, maybe even speed bumps.

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Using the Bergen Arches for a light rail line from Secaucus Junction park-n-ride lots to downtown Waterfront is a far better idea. There's no reason to encourage more cars to come downtown.

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It's been quiet for a while, but wasn't there funding to build a bridge to connect Jersey Ave to LSP?
It won't take much to add a lane to support the tech village/hotel LSC project from the LSC turnpike exit. The VVP residents are already pissed at Fulop over the reval so he doesn't have to worry about ticking off the NIMBY''S.

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Not the worst thing in the world to keep waterfront bound traffic out of downtown.

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great idea imo

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dumb idea imo

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Group wants new highway leading to Jersey City Waterfront

JERSEY CITY — A plan dropped online last week by a mysterious new commuter group is reviving an old idea to reduce traffic congestion in Downtown Jersey City: a new mini-highway leading to the Waterfront.

The proposal, floated by something called the New Jersey Commuters Alliance, says a new parkway built into the Bergen Arches rail cut would take motorists headed to the Waterfront off the notoriously car-clogged highways that lead to the Holland Tunnel.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... g_to_jersey_city_wat.html


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