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Re: Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey
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Just seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in some of the things they do. Is 2nd hand marijuana smoke as bad as cigarettes? Seems to me inhaling anything other than fresh air into your lungs can't be good long term.




Is alcohol and or nicotine addiction anything wonderful or healthy?

Yet these have been legally sold for years on end and nicely taxed, sheeit we even created a special police force called the ATF to make sure the tariffs are collected & paid.

Marijuana is the next big thing, RJ Reynolds is said to have bought up tons of primo grow areas in Humbolt County, California
just waiting to package and get their chronic on the bodega shelfs - sorry no more nickel bags of that Columbian Gold bunk.

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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?


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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?


Not sure why you are worked up... the country spends billions on alcohol/drug/smoking/gambling abuse and awareness programs during a global opiate addiction problem. And here is NJ promoting marijuana and possibly jeopardizing the long term health of people for tax revenue.

Just seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in some of the things they do. Is 2nd hand marijuana smoke as bad as cigarettes? Seems to me inhaling anything other than fresh air into your lungs can't be good long term.


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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?

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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?


The state is looking for a big tax payday like Colorado.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-state ... nue-surpasses-500-million

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As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control.

Is that why marijuana and opiates have been illegal in the US and almost all states for decades?

And why the push to legalize marijuana has been pushed by the public in dozens of states, while the government in almost every one of those states has opposed legalization?


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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

Oooookay

First of all, alcohol is taxed at 12 cents a gallon for beer, 87.5 cents for wine, spirits $5.50.

Second, both governments and pro-pot advocates are openly saying they could use this to raise taxes.

Third, spending levels haven't changed much in NJ since at least 2009.

Finally, feel free to go over the NJ budget and tell us all what ought to be cut. You know that property tax relief is a huge chunk of spending, right? Maybe we can cut education spending, perhaps? Police? CHIP?

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question - even though a state may legalize its sale, can't companies still drug test potential new employees? (or possibly even test existing employees at random?)

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By the time it's New Jersey's turn there's going to be plenty of established facts on the ground of how this business works in nearly half a dozen states. The only problem will be getting New Jersey politicians to admit that something exist outside of New Jersey.

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I walked into a recreational dispensary in Oregon last year, what a trip! Quart jars of bud lining the walls, each with a description and a test report, plus glass cases of concentrates and edibles. Plus knowledgeable salespeople to tell of the nuances of each "varietal". A far cry from the $30/oz mexi we smoked in college! (Does that date me?)


$15/oz for me (mid-late 60s). Those were the days......

....when the National Guard rolled through Baltimore after martial law was declared after the riots over the murder of Martin Luther King.

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Trust me, even then that was probably WAY BETTER weed! We rarely saw "sens". The stuff in Oregon was 8-11/gram and literally has 30x the THC of the ca 1980 mexican full of twigs and seeds. As for complicated, OMG! It was like shopping for artisanal beer.

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I think it might. I remember a quarter oz costing $30-40 in the late 80's. Sounds like even pot smoking has gotten complicated.


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I walked into a recreational dispensary in Oregon last year, what a trip! Quart jars of bud lining the walls, each with a description and a test report, plus glass cases of concentrates and edibles. Plus knowledgeable salespeople to tell of the nuances of each "varietal". A far cry from the $30/oz mexi we smoked in college! (Does that date me?)

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This is most evident by the fact that under the current bill, it would be illegal for homeowners to grow their own cannabis at home. It's all about the revenue.

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The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

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I don't care what people go in their homes, but I am worried about kids getting access and the public safety aspects of driving stoned. Certainly jailing people for personal consumption is foolish.

As far as i am concerned most governments want their citizens stoned because they are easier to control. The vice story said one NJ proposal wanted to start the tax at 7%, then after several years it would grow to 25%. No idea what alcohol is taxed at but it is pretty obvious the only thing they want is immediate increased usage and a new revenue stream that grows to feed their spending addiction.

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I think it might. I remember a quarter oz costing $30-40 in the late 80's. Sounds like even pot smoking has gotten complicated.


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I walked into a recreational dispensary in Oregon last year, what a trip! Quart jars of bud lining the walls, each with a description and a test report, plus glass cases of concentrates and edibles. Plus knowledgeable salespeople to tell of the nuances of each "varietal". A far cry from the $30/oz mexi we smoked in college! (Does that date me?)

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I walked into a recreational dispensary in Oregon last year, what a trip! Quart jars of bud lining the walls, each with a description and a test report, plus glass cases of concentrates and edibles. Plus knowledgeable salespeople to tell of the nuances of each "varietal". A far cry from the $30/oz mexi we smoked in college! (Does that date me?)

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You're late to the party bud, but better late than never.

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Legal Weed Is Coming to New Jersey

Thanks to sweeping Democratic victories up and down the ballot last month, recreational pot is en route to the Garden State. Here's what that might look like.

Cannabis-industry players are already scouting locations in Jersey City, Hoboken, Fort Lee, and Newark for potential storefronts. “New Jersey has a incredible opportunity to have a first-mover advantage in the Northeast, particularly the overflow they would likely experience from New York because of the extremely restrictive medical market there,” said Derek Peterson, CEO of Terra Tech, a marijuana agriculture company.

Peterson suggested retailers might offer a mix of products available in other states—and that perhaps half would be raw flour and the other half ready edibles and concentrates.

Legalization in Jersey seems inevitable despite expected opposition from some lawmakers, new wave drug warriors, and, of course, Sessions, a Reefer Madness type who signaled he may crack down on pot as recently as last week. Then there’s Christie, who will still be involved with the Trump administration’s commission on opioid use even after he leaves office. Remarkably, he cited (questionable) research suggesting smoking weed can lead to opioid addiction in the commission's November report, while ignoring a bevy of studies finding medical marijuana is associated with a reduction in opioid overdose deaths.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/a3j ... d-is-coming-to-new-jersey


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