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Re: Just say 'no' to 'millionaires' marina on the south side of Liberty State Park
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Apparently women in this country are not taking it anymore (#metoo).

Why is the rest of us still getting fucked?

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Reality Check:

The first marina on Liberty State Park public land should have NEVER been built along with all the shitty wasted boats sitting in dry dock where the repair center is.

That bullshit politically connected wedding reception restaurant
should be bulldozed.

The privatization of the parking lot for the ferry service should be FREE - it's a public park

Liberty Science center should not charge those absurd admission prices if it's on gifted government land and works as a nonprofit


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We have to hold commissioner and governor (whoever it is) feet to the fire, especially when they are close to changing job and may have a vested interest in a giving away public property. If Murphy approves this, he will experience Murphy's law likewise

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And for the record I'm disgusted with Christie over this, and have reached out to his staff over this.

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Why hasn't Gov elect Murphy commented on this? Maybe he already had a marina spot reserved so he can commute from his $11,000,000 waterfront home on the Navesink River? Surely he'll pick up a call from Mayor Fulop, who graciously stepped aside in the Gov race.

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They really propose to take away the public boat launch and parking at the southwestern corner of the park?

The nerve!!!

As someone said the northern marina is a dump, one of the worst maintained parts of the park.

What has Suntex done to even deserve a shot at the southern marina? Nothing.

This is all about the benjamins people - the bulkhead repair costs that the bankrupt, corrupt State of New Jersey does not want to pay.

Fuck them! I am angry. I don't usually show up for public hearings but I will show up for this. This is a fucking outrage.


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Christie thinks Liberty State Park needs something to obstruct the view

LSP supporters gather to protest privatization of park

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You'd think that Gov. Christie would have learned by now that Liberty State Park is not for sale, but as a parting thumb-in-the-eye to the 5 million people who visit the crown jewel of our park system, he wants to drop a massive yacht marina on its shoreline.

Essentially, he thinks that picnic and fishing areas need a few hundred fuel-sucking monsters that spit noise and smoke and crud into the tidal salt marsh while blocking everybody's view of the upper bay.

This administration would try to privatize anything that isn't nailed down, and this is another bridge too far. Our Department of Environmental Protection wants to lease a 500-yard stretch of waterline for marina development on the south side - the noncommercial side of the park - to the Texas-based company that runs the marina on park's north end.

The cost? No charge, as long as the same company repairs a damaged bulkhead in the existing marina.

The consequences, however, are horrendous: According to the lease term sheet obtained by Friends of Liberty State Park, two parking lots for nearly 250 vehicles get bulldozed.

Worse, they also ignore that the park's south zone is a family place. It is where picnic benches and barbeque pits sit under a magnificent grove of sycamores tilted in perfect symmetry - away from the promenade traffic - and where people fish off the jettys and launch their kayaks.

Here, you have an unobstructed view of the Verrazano-Narrows.

Now that vista will be blocked by a fleet of Ocean Alexanders, trailer storage facilities, and giant fences.

Or just picture Tony Soprano at the wheel of Stugots and multiply it by a hundred.

The families don't need this. No park needs this.

And when the DEP holds the required public hearings on the issue - preferably after the holidays - the governor must hear about it.

We're not against all development. Public amenities are valuable, and even though there is no rule that says parks must make money, LSP generates $1.5 million annually from two restaurants and the north marina.

But our governor's commercial obsession runneth over. In 2014, he tried to shift park control to a commission that oversees development. In 2015, his DEP floated a hotel and a fieldhouse. Each time he loses the debate, because you can't protect sacred ground by taking it from the people whose taxes pay for it.

Three years ago, our state's top scientists and academics told Christie to lay off Liberty State Park, because it is the standard for urban ecological stewardship and "one of the nation's best examples of the Public Trust Doctrine."

We can't say it better than that, Governor. Now kindly back away before you can't resist the urge to do further damage.

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The current marina is one of the ugliest, and worst maintained, parts of the park.

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Yeah right, it does not obstruct the view, they even had the gall to put the boat slip all the way to the south east corner!! WTF!@!@@!@

You bet I will be there with the jc crowd if they try to pull this. I will also gladly participate in a go-fund-me-like legal fund to fight this. Btw where should I file a complain for neglect on the north marina path?


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I will also gladly participate in a go-fund-me-like legal fund to fight this.


Count me in. I'm just afraid this will go the way of the fugly 9/11 memorial, just shoved down our peasant throats since it's state land and they just don't give a fuck what we think.

I'd love to see the number on costs/visitors for other state parks. None of them get the usage of LSP.


CBS was there today filming - I just hope there is enough public outcry to stop this theft of our park.

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Comments from FLSP. This is public land confiscation plain and simple. Let's call them and remind them of legal action if they attempt to shove "public hearings" between Xmas and new year. If I knew how to do this I would file a Freedom of Information requests for all records between Christie and DEP. It looks like a departing gift. https://www.facebook.com/friendsoflibertystatepark/?fref=ts

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I will also gladly participate in a go-fund-me-like legal fund to fight this.


Count me in. I'm just afraid this will go the way of the fugly 9/11 memorial, just shoved down our peasant throats since it's state land and they just don't give a fuck what we think.

I'd love to see the number on costs/visitors for other state parks. None of them get the usage of LSP.

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Those footprints are insane... traffic would render that section of the park unusable for bikers.runners. walkers. Did not take a good look, but I assume it would impact recreational boaters who use the "free" boat launch.

I am sure its the typical play to propose the ultimate obscene development as they certainly have here, then scale it back because they listened to the people. Most of that property where they are now contains more derelicts on land then in the water. It looks like Fred Sanford's Boat Yard.

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Yeah right, it does not obstruct the view, they even had the gall to put the boat slip all the way to the south east corner!! WTF!@!@@!@

You bet I will be there with the jc crowd if they try to pull this. I will also gladly participate in a go-fund-me-like legal fund to fight this. Btw where should I file a complain for neglect on the north marina path?

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Details emerge about new Liberty State Park marina

Posted December 07, 2017 at 04:39 PM | Updated December 07, 2017 at 05:23 PM
By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal

JERSEY CITY — A new, privately operated marina would stretch for nearly a mile along the waterfront inside Liberty State Park, with the marina operator leasing 45 acres on the southern end of the state-owned park, including two public parking lots and all three jetties, newly released documents show.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... e.html#incart_2box_hudson

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Uproar, yes, there should be an uproar if something happens without public hearings. This state is famous for sweetheart deals.


Every once in awhile, Yvonne is 100% correct!

The second part of this sentence past the comma would have sufficed.

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Liberty State Park group plans protest of marina plan

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State plans for marina in south side of Liberty State Park

By Terrence T. McDonaldtmcdonald@jjournal.com
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JERSEY CITY -- Friends of Liberty State Park is planning a protest next week to show opposition to a plan it says the state is mulling to add a marina to the south end of the park.

State officials have not confirmed there is a plan, but a source with knowledge of the matter told The Jersey Journal that the state is mulling a lease with Suntex Marina to open a private marina along the waterfront near the park's flag plaza. Suntext runs the marina on park's north end.

Friends of Liberty State Park is asking anyone in opposition to a second marina in the 1,200-acre park to meet at the south side picnic area, 200 Morris Pesin Dr., for a group protest photo on Saturday, Dec. 2 at 11 a.m.

Park advocates say a new marina would obstruct views, limit public access to the park and potentially threaten wildlife.

A spokesman for the state Department of Environmental Protection, which runs the park, has said only that the public would have a say on any proposed changes to Liberty State Park.

Mayor Steve Fulop said he is "adamantly opposed" to the marina plan.

"We feel that Liberty State Park doesn't need another marina and the fact that these proposed changes were being done initially in secret speaks to the lack of integrity to the process," Fulop said in an email. "It is a bad plan and we will explore every option to fight it."

Terrence T. McDonald may be reached at tmcdonald@jjournal.com. Follow him on Twitter @terrencemcd. Find The Jersey Journal on Facebook.

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Uproar, yes, there should be an uproar if something happens without public hearings. This state is famous for sweetheart deals.


Every once in awhile, Yvonne is 100% correct!

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Exactly. Added my voice today. I would like to know who I should sue next time I trip on the north marina pathway, I nearly fell face first the other day while training. Part of that area is quite beaten down, it was the worse section of the liberty half a few month ago.

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The marina would certainly be a For-Profit privately owned enterprise. Should ANY for-profit business be allowed to allocate for itself pieces of ANY public land? I’m surprised anyone here could rationalize the parceling out of public parkland for ANY non-park related reason, let alone a for-profit one which the public couldn’t be expected to freely benefit from. Even if the Marina was going to be an in-house Parks Department owned and operated concern, we’d all STILL expect the opportunity to weigh in on it and participate in transparent dialogue before it began to be considered seriously. Also I think we would years ago have heard the public clamoring for another marina. I’m very interested in sailing and boating in the harbor and I’ve NEVER in twenty years heard any public suggestion that we should agitate for a marina in this location. There us NOTHING grass roots about this project and it bears all the hallmarks of private concerns operating in secret, NOT an above board legitimate attempt at persuading the public.

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For what it's worth, I sent a letter to Governor-Elect Murphy about Martin's lack of response.

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Lenore Holz is pretty feisty...;)

Having said that I agree that we don't need a private marina on the south side. On the north side, the assholes that run the marina did not even fix the asphalt path that runs along their marina, it is full of ruts and cracks and not bikeable. They don't care about the park. The park should jack up their rent. No to south marina!


'Not bikeable'? It's not perfect, but I've biked it over and over and over.

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SAVE the South Side of LIBERTY STATE PARK from a secret deal for a Massive “Millionaires’ Marina”

Email DEP Commissioner Bob Martin to strongly oppose (even in one sentence) this new south side marina and to demand public hearings.

commissioner@dep.nj.gov

( This idea came from the Friends of LSP
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Nov 22
A view of Liberty Park.

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Don't take parkland away

Dear Commissioner Martin,

I have lived in Jersey City for more than 20 years, and although I love many things about my city, the lack of green, open space for our communities is a point of serious concern. A growing city needs to balance development with access to public land, and this decision made by the state will severely impact our city and residents.

The outgoing governor and administration should not be allowed to lease our park away to the highest bidder without public hearings and a public comment period. The South Overlook Lawn is a haven for our residents, a place to picnic, play, bike, walk, fish and enjoy the view of the Hudson River and Lady Liberty. A commercial marina will significantly change the footprint of the park and our access and use of the southside lawn.

The residents of Jersey City, and the surrounding areas, deserve access to open land and public parks. Do not take that away without hearing us out first.

Meesha Diaz Haddad, Jersey City

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Protect Liberty State Park from development

The Hudson County Group of the New Jersey Chapter of the Sierra Club has passed a resolution to oppose the development of a marina on the south shore of Liberty State Park.


The Hudson County Group is concerned with environmental justice issues and feels that putting yet another marina for wealthy boat owners in Liberty State Park is a theft of the people's common land. These open green and free spaces should be made available for the poor, oppressed workers and immigrants who love and need this park as much as anyone else.

Building a marina on the south side of Liberty State Park also risks damage to the natural environment of the Cove area where various rare and endangered species have been seen, such as the Snowy Owl, the Norther Harrier and the Goshawk.

We call upon our state, county and city governments to do what they can to protect this area of Liberty State Park so that the people will have access to view wildlife and have an open view unobstructed by the toys of the wealthy.

Patricia Hilliard, Secretary of the Hudson County Group-NJ Sierra Club

Submit letters and Op-Eds to jjletters@jjournal.com.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... e_wildlife_at_lsp_le.html

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Lenore Holz is pretty feisty...;)

Having said that I agree that we don't need a private marina on the south side. On the north side, the assholes that run the marina did not even fix the asphalt path that runs along their marina, it is full of ruts and cracks and not bikable. They don't care about the park. The park should jack up their rent. No to south marina!


I agree - did you email DEP Commissioner Bob Martin to strongly oppose this new south side marina and to demand public hearings.

SAVE the South Side of LIBERTY STATE PARK from a secret deal for a Massive “Millionaires’ Marina”

commissioner@dep.nj.gov

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Uproar, yes, there should be an uproar if something happens without public hearings. This state is famous for sweetheart deals.

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I'm not sure why everyone is in such an uproar over this. The likely location would be behind the existing sea wall, in the far west of the cut. It's currently used as an anchorage for mostly transient boaters. As a sailor, I'd love to see more boats on the upper harbor.

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SAVE the South Side of LIBERTY STATE PARK from a secret deal for a Massive “Millionaires’ Marina”

Email DEP Commissioner Bob Martin to strongly oppose (even in one sentence) this new south side marina and to demand public hearings.

commissioner@dep.nj.gov

( This idea came from the Friends of LSP
We just did this - you should too! )

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Lenore Holz is pretty feisty...;)

Having said that I agree that we don't need a private marina on the south side. On the north side, the assholes that run the marina did not even fix the asphalt path that runs along their marina, it is full of ruts and cracks and not bikeable. They don't care about the park. The park should jack up their rent. No to south marina!


Friends of Liberty State Park have this up on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/friendsoflibe ... rk/posts/1296901323748387

https://www.facebook.com/friendsoflibertystatepark

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Lenore Holz is pretty feisty...;)

Having said that I agree that we don't need a private marina on the south side. On the north side, the assholes that run the marina did not even fix the asphalt path that runs along their marina, it is full of ruts and cracks and not bikeable. They don't care about the park. The park should jack up their rent. No to south marina!

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LSP is the only park for the east side of Jersey City

I am an 18-year resident of downtown Jersey City. Liberty State Park is the only recreational park that the residents on the east side of Jersey City have. The park already has major developments in Liberty Marina on the North side and Liberty National golf course on the South side,

The South side is a major recreation and picnic area for residents of Greenville. Placing another marina there would greatly restrict those areas and the enjoyment of resident of all residents of Jersey City. In the warmer months, I bike to the park daily and ride along the waterside path to the south side. I enjoy the vistas and seeing people fishing, kiting, walking, running and biking in the park.

A new marina on the south side of the park would restrict the usable areas of the park. This is all we have. The park is also a magnet for visitors from the four corners of the globe. Another marina is not what we need, we need more open space as the city is building higher and getting more crowded.

The NJDEP needs to have a public hearing to hear the concerns of the local residents.

Frank Cadden, Jersey City

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New marina would be travesty

The proposed commercial marina at the south end of Liberty State Park would be a travesty. It would obstruct the priceless views of the harbor and would bring more traffic to the park.

I agree with the Friends of Liberty State Park that this private facility is counter to the purpose of a public park. In addition, it could severely affects the Caven Point Natural Area with its wildlife habitat.

I have urged the state's commissioner of Environmental Protection to reject this proposal and encourage others to do as well.

Bill Armbruster, Jersey City

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Just say 'no' to 'millionaires' marina at Liberty State Park

Hold public hearings on marina plan

To NJDEP Commissioner Bob Martin,

The overwhelming majority of people living in New Jersey (and New York and everywhere) strongly oppose a new marina at Liberty State Park.

We demand public hearings and a public comment period. You work for the people, not the one percent, and the people want parks for peaceful places for picnics and play, not private spaces only for private development and profit. Parks for for people, not profit!

I am a long-time resident of Jersey City and I will continue to fight with Sam Pesin and the thousands of others who love this sacred park and appreciate ALL open, public, green spaces. We promise you this: we will not allow you or your degenerate crony capitalist cohort get away with it. We're watching you all, we are shining a bright light on you all, and we are holding you accountable for your despicable malfeasance.

To hell with your obscene millionaires' marina! To hell with any sick thought to privatize one square foot of our beautiful park!

Lenore Holz, Jersey City

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... rina_at_liberty_stat.html

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