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Re: Secaucus Boy Kicked Out of Scouts Because He's Transgender (Petition)
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Here's the problem I see with people like you Yvonne. You impose your lifestyle choices on others. You have no idea what a mother and father go through with their child. If they spent the last 8 years (or whatever the age of their child may be) observing their child, garnering professional opinions and talking to the child, then they are the ones most prepared to make judgement, or if not the most prepared, they surely are the ones that have the legal and moral rights till proven differently.
Conservatives want a one answer solution. Liberals know that each situation is different, and want the whole situation explored by the people who are involved. You personally have no idea what this young (born) female (Self decided) older male is about. You have NO right to judge, only the individuals involved do.
The same is true with reproductive choices, and the right to die choice.
I really wish you religious based conservatives would go crawl under a rock and leave us alone.


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This post says the court struck down the mandate, JerseyMom.
http://www.becketfund.org/franciscan-alliance-transgender-win-pr/
Regardless, adults are still lying to children who have these desires to be another gender. You don't tell children putting on a Superman costume they can leap off a building, so why lie about gender? It is not true.


I stand corrected - the ruling was just released today.

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This post says the court struck down the mandate, JerseyMom.
http://www.becketfund.org/franciscan-alliance-transgender-win-pr/
Regardless, adults are still lying to children who have these desires to be another gender. You don't tell children putting on a Superman costume they can leap off a building, so why lie about gender? It is not true.

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I'm betting it will only be a matter of time before things get changed and society will not be segregating kids (yes kids, considering Scouts USA have co-ed Venturer programs when kids hit 13 years of age) based on their gender. Society took too long to deal with equality for color and sexuality, but eventually it got there.


You lost that bet, a lawsuit now protects doctors from the HHS mandate concerning forcing doctors to perform medical procedure including treating children with hormones. It is against many doctors judgement. http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content/ ... rwell-Complaint-Filed.pdf


WRONG - the lawsuit hasn't been ruled on yet - and there may be changes with the new administration:

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...Trump’s election could affect a suit pending in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Franciscan Alliance, Inc. v. Burwell . Christian provider groups and several states challenged what they called the “transgender mandate,” a rule interpreting Section 1557 ( 164 HCDR, 8/24/16 ).

The plaintiffs said the rule requires doctors to perform, and insurers and states to pay for, gender reassignment procedures, even when it goes against their medical judgment or religious beliefs.

The rule’s proponents say it only prohibits providers from refusing treatments that could be used to conform a patient’s physical form to his or her gender, if the provider would provide the same treatment for other reasons.

The case is on a fast track, Amiri told Bloomberg BNA. The plaintiffs have moved to block the rule’s implementation. The Northern District of Texas is a very conservative district, so the motion likely will be granted.

The plaintiffs then could file an emergency appeal in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, another conservative court. If they don’t get relief there, the plaintiffs could file a motion for emergency relief in the Supreme Court.

It would take “a quick cascade of events,” but the case could get to the Supreme Court before a Trump nominee could be seated, Amiri said.

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I'm betting it will only be a matter of time before things get changed and society will not be segregating kids (yes kids, considering Scouts USA have co-ed Venturer programs when kids hit 13 years of age) based on their gender. Society took too long to deal with equality for color and sexuality, but eventually it got there.


You lost that bet, a lawsuit now protects doctors from the HHS mandate concerning forcing doctors to perform medical procedure including treating children with hormones. It is against many doctors judgement. http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content/ ... rwell-Complaint-Filed.pdf

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/us/ ... fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

I'm betting it will only be a matter of time before things get changed and society will not be segregating kids (yes kids, considering Scouts USA have co-ed Venturer programs when kids hit 13 years of age) based on their gender. Society took too long to deal with equality for color and sexuality, but eventually it got there.

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"Caveman mentality?" I have no problem understanding that God created me female. I just feel sorry that this child who thinks she is just as male as the boys in her class. I wish the public would not lying to the child. No matter where you read, transgender people have a higher suicide attempt than the general public.
https://tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issue ... ransgender-mental-health/


I surmise that the high suicide attempt rate has more to do with them being persecuted, bullied, segregated and made to feel inferior by stupid, self-righteous, discriminatory behavior by asses like Monroe and yourself ... Yvonne you have no right to call yourself religious with such spite, hate and lacking any compassion, or humanity ... you are the ugly side of catholicism


No, I would not lie to a child and tell them they are male when their body is not. I just read an article where a male took hormones to transgender to female and he changed backed. He blamed the hormones for feelings of depression. If you choose to google, there are many articles on hormones and depression. By the way, hormones are dangerous. They tell women pass child bearing not to take hormone replacement because it leads to cancer. In order for this child to become male, it is a life time of hormone replacement drugs. What a sad story.

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!


Both you and Yvonne have a 'caveman' mentality - Coed scouts have existed for over a decade in Canada and other western nations: Some might like to live in the past and sometimes I wish we still performed lobotomies, because I would like to nominate two from JClist to have the procedure done to.

http://wiki.scouts.ca/en/Scouting_Myths

http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/fi ... ars-of-Co-Ed-Scouting.pdf
Coed scouts exist in the US too, run by the BSA actually:

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Venturing/About/venturing.aspx

Working to organize a Venture Scout group in the kid's area (and getting the program expanded to younger ages) would probably go a lot further towards helping this child than harassing the BSA into begrudgingly letting the kid in (which isn't going to happen either way). But that would take too much effort, of course.


The original intent by the mom was to ask that her son continue in the troop he had been involved with and established within with his group of friends. He was already a member and enjoying himself - until some parents from the troop complained to the BSA. Then the troop asked Joe to leave.

Another troop in NJ has already reached out and asked Joe to join their group. Joe has expressed that he isn't interested in joining the Secaucus troop again because of the treatment he's received (can you blame him).

I think the overall goal here is not to harass, but to get the BSA to have a more welcoming and contemporary policy toward transgender youth - something which the GSA has done really well.

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!


Both you and Yvonne have a 'caveman' mentality - Coed scouts have existed for over a decade in Canada and other western nations: Some might like to live in the past and sometimes I wish we still performed lobotomies, because I would like to nominate two from JClist to have the procedure done to.

http://wiki.scouts.ca/en/Scouting_Myths

http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/fi ... ars-of-Co-Ed-Scouting.pdf
Coed scouts exist in the US too, run by the BSA actually:

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Venturing/About/venturing.aspx

Working to organize a Venture Scout group in the kid's area (and getting the program expanded to younger ages) would probably go a lot further towards helping this child than harassing the BSA into begrudgingly letting the kid in (which isn't going to happen either way). But that would take too much effort, of course.

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"Caveman mentality?" I have no problem understanding that God created me female. I just feel sorry that this child who thinks she is just as male as the boys in her class. I wish the public would not lying to the child. No matter where you read, transgender people have a higher suicide attempt than the general public.
https://tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issue ... ransgender-mental-health/


I surmise that the high suicide attempt rate has more to do with them being persecuted, bullied, segregated and made to feel inferior by stupid, self-righteous, discriminatory behavior by asses like Monroe and yourself ... Yvonne you have no right to call yourself religious with such spite, hate and lacking any compassion, or humanity ... you are the ugly side of catholicism

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!


Both you and Yvonne have a 'caveman' mentality - Coed scouts have existed for over a decade in Canada and other western nations: Some might like to live in the past and sometimes I wish we still performed lobotomies, because I would like to nominate two from JClist to have the procedure done to.

http://wiki.scouts.ca/en/Scouting_Myths

http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/fi ... ars-of-Co-Ed-Scouting.pdf


"Caveman mentality?" I have no problem understanding that God created me female. I just feel sorry that this child who thinks she is just as male as the boys in her class. I wish the public would not lying to the child. No matter where you read, transgender people have a higher suicide attempt than the general public.
https://tgmentalhealth.com/basic-issue ... ransgender-mental-health/

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Stand with Joe - sign the petition - only 750 signatures to goal:

http://www.gardenstateequality.org/cubscouts

I think people with biological children should be the only ones permitted to sign.

Why?

Actually as long as they have children bio or adopted, so they have a true vested interest and an even playing field.

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Stand with Joe - sign the petition - only 750 signatures to goal:

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I think people with biological children should be the only ones permitted to sign.


Why?

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FAB, where have I talked about religion or God in reference to this issue, lol?

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You do know that the 'silent blue collar majority' in middle class Secaucus were the ones who objected to the girl in their Cub Scout den . . .


wow! so now you have an insight to the 'one's that objected' - seriously Monroe, you really need therapy. People object to toilet paper provided in public toilets too and whine about all sorts of crap based on myths and gossip. I surmise the objectors would be less than the number of fingers on one's hand, who are ignorant or influenced by knuckleheads like you and Yvonne.

It's amazing how nations with millions of people can see the fairness and values of coed scouting but for a few (most likely 1 whining ass) in Secaucus and 2 dumb-asses on JClist can't.

Keep up your consistent silly view-points (that seem always based on your 'tunnel vision' religion beliefs) ... it gives me a good laugh.

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You do know that the 'silent blue collar majority' in middle class Secaucus were the ones who objected to the girl in their Cub Scout den . . .

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!


Both you and Yvonne have a 'caveman' mentality - Coed scouts have existed for over a decade in Canada and other western nations: Some might like to live in the past and sometimes I wish we still performed lobotomies, because I would like to nominate two from JClist to have the procedure done to.

http://wiki.scouts.ca/en/Scouting_Myths

http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/fi ... ars-of-Co-Ed-Scouting.pdf

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!

If she identifies as a boy...

The thing is, the Boy Scouts, barring any federal money, should be able to allow or disallow anyone they choose. I'm fine with private clubs. They can continue to be their closed minded group. One day, they'll adjust or go extinct. It won't be soon but it'll happen. For now, they should be allowed to act as they do, as long as they don't take federal money...

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The left has a new rallying cry - transgender!

Bathrooms, now Boy Scouts. Adult showers and locker rooms next.

On to a "progressive" society when gender is but a choice and can change on a whim.

Pathetic.

Waasaaahhhh!!!! People that are different from me aren't staying quiet about their difference and just want to be themselves!

The only thing pathetic here is you.


Brouhaha about 0.01%.

The left is doing anything to stir the shit.

Pathetic.

Yeah, it so totally sucks to have empathy for other human beings. I mean, seriously Bro, you're so completely put out and your life is completely altered when some random kid, that you've never met, probably never will meet and don't understand wants to live their life the way they want. Good for you for standing up and calling that person'a desire to be happy pathetic. You, very single, lonely (for completely obvious and valid reasons) should continue to fight the good fight and keep pushing your judgment. Good move!

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JerseyMom, I have taught that age group for many years, I have an understanding of students interactions, especially joy and pain. So my statements are not armchair comments. The greatest joy I have received from my former students are comments that made while much older, while in high school or college. They thanked me for treating them fairly and for some advice.
Since we now live in an age of suicide, I always remind my students that they are a part of God's creation and they are important to that creation. Do not allow anyone to tell them they are not important, because they are. If they were not important, then God would not create them and God does not make mistakes. Whenever I said this to my students, their faces relaxed. They felt at ease, perhaps plain joy. My advice to that girl is - God created you female and God rejoiced in His creation. I am lucky I worked for Catholic schools.

Lol! Just keeping this here for posterity.

One day, when you are no longer breathing (hoping upon hope that it is completely painless and through natural causes) you'll be added to the ground the same as the rest of the trash we throw out. At that point the entire planet will be a better place for having one less useless waste sucking perfectly good oxygen that people with more than a couple functioning brain cells could be using.

Age of suicide...moron. Any student you had that isn't now making minimum wage is doing so in spite of you. It is most definitely not because you were ever able to provide any form of education.

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Stand with Joe - sign the petition - only 750 signatures to goal:

http://www.gardenstateequality.org/cubscouts


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I read a comment on line that I thought was funny, the person said they are transaged and want to collect social security now. After all, we have transgender, transblack (white to black ethnic) so I guess transage is next. So all the people who are tired of waking up in the morning to take the packed PATH trains can now claim to be 65+ and claim your Social Security now.

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

The pair of you can't just spew out your comments without them being rebutted.


An 8 year old girl doesn't have a 'human right' to join the Cub Scouts, which are for boys. I couldn't join Hadassah, either, because I'm neither a woman or Jewish. But if I identify as a woman and Jewish I guess you could make a case they'd have to accept me!

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!


You are mental - with a mind-set that you and Yvonne have, unless you are receiving medication. I'd like to know how standing up for human rights is deemed bigotry!

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'Mental'? You bigot, using a term like that. Go to your safe space and learn to harness your microagressions!

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Yeah, let's ignore the parents of the 99.9X% rest of the 8 year olds who may not like their kids having sleep overs/camping trips with children of another sex. Nothing to see here, keep moving along.


You are mental ... these kids will not be running around naked and having sex, if anything, it will teach kids tolerance, empathy, equality and even how to deal with domestic violence / prejudices.

We have mixed sporting teams for our kids and many co-ed School classes go on camp too, not to mention summer camps, so should we stop that too?

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Religious schools are our problem.
They teach intolerance to anything that doesn't comport with their limited world view.


10/10 ... religious teachings ignore human rights on many levels

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Yeah, let's ignore the parents of the 99.9X% rest of the 8 year olds who may not like their kids having sleep overs/camping trips with children of another sex. Nothing to see here, keep moving along.

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JerseyMom, I have taught that age group for many years, I have an understanding of students interactions, especially joy and pain. So my statements are not armchair comments. The greatest joy I have received from my former students are comments that made while much older, while in high school or college. They thanked me for treating them fairly and for some advice.
Since we now live in an age of suicide, I always remind my students that they are a part of God's creation and they are important to that creation. Do not allow anyone to tell them they are not important, because they are. If they were not important, then God would not create them and God does not make mistakes. Whenever I said this to my students, their faces relaxed. They felt at ease, perhaps plain joy. My advice to that girl is - God created you female and God rejoiced in His creation. I am lucky I worked for Catholic schools.


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JerseyMom, I have taught that age group for many years, I have an understanding of students interactions, especially joy and pain. So my statements are not armchair comments. The greatest joy I have received from my former students are comments that made while much older, while in high school or college. They thanked me for treating them fairly and for some advice.
Since we now live in an age of suicide, I always remind my students that they are a part of God's creation and they are important to that creation. Do not allow anyone to tell them they are not important, because they are. If they were not important, then God would not create them and God does not make mistakes. Whenever I said this to my students, their faces relaxed. They felt at ease, perhaps plain joy. My advice to that girl is - God created you female and God rejoiced in His creation. I am lucky I worked for Catholic schools.

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