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How democracy, extortion, bullying and compulsory compliance will be adhered to under the Trump administration.

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To be followed by Newark, JC, etc. putting payroll taxes in place so that those bedroom communities stop having it both ways (at least for those who work in NJ.)

I seriously doubt you would like the way your country would look like if secessionist movements take root. But you are welcome to it. The great part is you can make border security impossibly difficult - no one will want to go there.

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To be followed by Morris, Sussex, Somerset, Hunterdon counties to secede from NJ so JC can pay it's own school taxes, Section 8 housing, yadda yadda!

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So these local 'legislators' want to have the rest of the taxpayers in the state make up the difference if their 'sanctuary' policies end up with loss of Federal dollars?

Why not have Hudson County residents make up the difference, lol?

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_cities_denied_fede.html


Or do what California has threatened to do and withhold federal tax dollars in an amount equal to the lost funding. Not sure JC has a big enough public workforce to achieve that, so it may have to wait until next January when we have a governor again.


How do Hudson County residents make up the difference? We have high property taxes to begin with, at least those without tax abatements or those not living in rent control buildings? Our taxes are high even though we receive more state funding for schools than the suburbs. Since Fulop has been in office, our debt has increased tremendously. None of that information is in his newsletter, unfortunately. I think people who make these statements do not have skin in the game, they will not be affected by raising taxes.

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So these local 'legislators' want to have the rest of the taxpayers in the state make up the difference if their 'sanctuary' policies end up with loss of Federal dollars?

Why not have Hudson County residents make up the difference, lol?

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_cities_denied_fede.html


Or do what California has threatened to do and withhold federal tax dollars in an amount equal to the lost funding. Not sure JC has a big enough public workforce to achieve that, so it may have to wait until next January when we have a governor again.

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Union City school aid is $177 million and West New York is $93 million. Those towns have a large immigrant population. JC receives over 75% of its budget from the state on education. The state of NJ is subsidizeing students who are not citizens in their education.
However, the US citizen is at the mercy of paying taxes or losing their homes in tax liens or going to jail on the federal level. I see immigrants lining up near the JC/Union City border as day laborers. Do you think they pay income taxes or state taxes on the work they earn? No, it is a cash business.

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So these local 'legislators' want to have the rest of the taxpayers in the state make up the difference if their 'sanctuary' policies end up with loss of Federal dollars?

Why not have Hudson County residents make up the difference, lol?

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_cities_denied_fede.html

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Got to hand it to the rubes - one thing they are good at is twisting words: "Death Tax", "Death panels", "Sanctuary City" - too bad the media plays along. "Sanctuary City" is merely an unfunded mandate, when you strip away the breathless, ignorant hype around it and look at it objectively.

ma·jor·i·ty
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the greater number.
"in the majority of cases all will go smoothly"
synonyms: larger part/number, greater part/number, best/better part, most, more than half;

Oh, and asshat - when you use the words "majority" or "most", please make sure it conforms to what the actual meaning is, not some contorted arcane perversion.

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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

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I am not. I was actually talking about;
- Abortion rights
- Background checks for gun ownership
- Tax distribution...
- and so on...


Sure. Well, if you take an introduction to civics class, you'll learn that these types of policies are enacted through legislatures and the courts, not through the ballot.

However, a local decision such as whether Jersey City should be a lawless sanctuary city could certainly be put on the ballot. And, if Jersey City is actually at a real risk of losing federal funding due to their grandstanding, I would argue they have a moral right to put the question on the ballot before we all get punished.


Well, i would argue that the council that was elected by its constituents, voted on this issue and voted unnanimously in favor so it does not have to be decided through the ballot...

I guess you'll have to accept you are leaving in a 'progressive' city...

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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-travel-ban-polls-2017-2


I am not. I was actually talking about;
- Abortion rights
- Background checks for gun ownership
- Tax distribution...
- and so on...


Sure. Well, if you take an introduction to civics class, you'll learn that these types of policies are enacted through legislatures and the courts, not through the ballot.

However, a local decision such as whether Jersey City should be a lawless sanctuary city could certainly be put on the ballot. And, if Jersey City is actually at a real risk of losing federal funding due to their grandstanding, I would argue they have a moral right to put the question on the ballot before we all get punished.

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Since when do majorities matter?


They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

POLL: Travel ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders

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http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-travel-ban-polls-2017-2


I am not. I was actually talking about;
- Abortion rights
- Background checks for gun ownership
- Tax distribution...
- and so on...

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They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?


You're a single issue guy. As I stated, the Muslim ban was already put on the ballot during the last election, and the scoreboard speaks for itself.

However, while we will not be redeciding what has already been decided, it is worth noting that nationwide, the Muslim ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders, along with the subject of this thread, defunding lawless sanctuary cities.

POLL: Travel ban is one of Trump's most popular executive orders

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http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-travel-ban-polls-2017-2

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Jersey City council unanimously supports sanctuary city order

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JERSEY CITY -- The City Council unanimously tonight approved a measure expressing support for last week's executive order designating Jersey City as a sanctuary city, with Council President Rolando Lavarro saying the action will "send a resounding message" to President Trump.

Choking back tears and quoting from the Bible, Lavarro said he is angry about Trump's recent actions targeting illegal immigrants and refugees.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_supports_sanctuary.html


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They matter depending on the rules of the game. They are meaningless in a national election, where the outcome is controlled by the electoral college. Pointing to the popular vote is like saying the Atlanta Falcons dominated the time of possession, therefore they should have won the Super Bowl.

However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.


Should very conservative policies that are not supported by a majority of Americans be put on the ballot as well?

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However, in a municipal ballot, the scoreboard is determined by the majority.

I have a feeling that like most "progressive" causes, the majority of people even in a very liberal area like Jersey City do not support them. It just may appear that way due to an extremely biased media. Only one way to put this to the test.

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Forfeit salaries if sanctuary city raises taxes

I am asking our elected politicians who believe Jersey City is a sanctuary city to put their money with their statements.

If the president withholds federal funds to Jersey City as well as the local school system, I am asking you to give up your salaries. Why should my taxes go up for the statements you make?

My former school had a front row seat to the tragedy of 9/11. My students were traumatized by these events and drew scenes of airplanes crashing into buildings and people falling out the buildings before they collapsed.

My childhood was different, I drew flowers in window boxes or parks, not scenes of death and destruction.

This is not about immigration but the protection of this country. So, will you make a pledge to give up your salaries?

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This is a good point. If anything, the question of whether Jersey City should be a lawless sanctuary city should be put on the ballot. Why should these "progressive" grandstanding politicians force everyone's taxes to rise just to score political points with their brainwashed constituents? If a majority of voters decide this that's one thing, but I don't think the majority of people actually support this...

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Letter to the editor posted on line:

Forfeit salaries if sanctuary city raises taxes

I am asking our elected politicians who believe Jersey City is a sanctuary city to put their money with their statements.

If the president withholds federal funds to Jersey City as well as the local school system, I am asking you to give up your salaries. Why should my taxes go up for the statements you make?

My former school had a front row seat to the tragedy of 9/11. My students were traumatized by these events and drew scenes of airplanes crashing into buildings and people falling out the buildings before they collapsed.

My childhood was different, I drew flowers in window boxes or parks, not scenes of death and destruction.

This is not about immigration but the protection of this country. So, will you make a pledge to give up your salaries?

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With the number of civilians killed by the U.S over the years, I'm surprised more nations don't ban us instead ... or is that just 'collateral damage' and any 'pay-back' from victims isn't justified !!! The U.S needs to take a good hard look at ourselves and ask what motives terrorism ...

It was all once about communism as being the threat, but in recent times most of the nations we have engaged in, have been muslim (oil rich) nations with extremely high civilian casualties and our so-called 'smart bomb' and 'strategic targeting' have been everything but !


http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-k ... ince-world-war-ii/5492051



So now you are blaming the US citizens for acts of terror that has been going on since the beginning of Islam. Here is a historical fact, northern Africa was Christian. In fact, some early popes came from northern Africa. St. Augustine, an early church father came from northern Africa, too. When Islam started in the 7th century, it converted people with the sword. Northern Africa is not Christian, the people practice Islam.


Your comprehension and analytical skills are lacking ... I pity the students you ever taught as a teacher ... then again, if you've had a mental health issue or head injury in recent times, it would account for your current logic and interpretation of views here.

I think it's time for JClisters to promote this cause;

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She's right, dem joos don't be bombing or cutting the heads off infidels......


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First, I did read about Anne Frank. That is not the same comparison. Jews do not plant bombs in our country trying to overthrow democracy. They do not practice Sharia Law. There is nothing that I have read that requires them to kill 'unbelievers.'

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It was all once about communism as being the threat, but in recent times most of the nations we have engaged in, have been muslim (oil rich) nations with extremely high civilian casualties and our so-called 'smart bomb' and 'strategic targeting' have been everything but !


http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-k ... ince-world-war-ii/5492051



So now you are blaming the US citizens for acts of terror that has been going on since the beginning of Islam. Here is a historical fact, northern Africa was Christian. In fact, some early popes came from northern Africa. St. Augustine, an early church father came from northern Africa, too. When Islam started in the 7th century, it converted people with the sword. Northern Africa is not Christian, the people practice Islam.

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With the number of civilians killed by the U.S over the years, I'm surprised more nations don't ban us instead ... or is that just 'collateral damage' and any 'pay-back' from victims isn't justified !!! The U.S needs to take a good hard look at ourselves and ask what motives terrorism ...

It was all once about communism as being the threat, but in recent times most of the nations we have engaged in have been muslim (oil rich) nations with extremely high civilian casualties and our so-called 'smart bomb' and 'strategic targeting' have been everything but !

Now that we produce more oil of our own, why are our gas prices still high and not cheaper ?

If Trump wants to ban immigrants and place tariffs on imports, the US will implode financially and intellectually.


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One random thought here- during WWII Jews across Europe were routinely denied Visas to enter the US (including Anne Frank's father) as there was fear they were secretly Nazis. Do you think the Yvonnes of today would have denied the Jewish refugees safe passage during WWII? Food for thought.


First, I did read about Anne Frank. That is not the same comparison. Jews do not plant bombs in our country trying to overthrow democracy. They do not practice Sharia Law. There is nothing that I have read that requires them to kill 'unbelievers.'

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One random thought here- during WWII Jews across Europe were routinely denied Visas to enter the US (including Anne Frank's father) as there was fear they were secretly Nazis. Do you think the Yvonnes of today would have denied the Jewish refugees safe passage during WWII? Food for thought.

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Interesting link you provided - looking through it, I find that nobody was killed in the US during 2016 by an immigrant in a terrorist-related incident. I guess the old policies were working just fine. Thanks, Yvonne!


The point being - they would like to come here. This is about our immigration/refugee policy. The USA is not like Europe but I am sure we will be similar to Europe with our open borders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmmt7tJres


Just curious, what experience do you have working in immigration here in the US? Worked at an immigration law firm? Worked for the government processing visa requests? Please don't pivot and just answer! And before I am called a liberal snowflake I am a lifelong republican who left the party last year.

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And you think this is a new desire? I'm sure you could have said the same thing in 2001... Point is, the old policy was working. No one was killed in the US in 2016 as a result of terrorism committed by immigrants (or refugees). Thanks again for your information.

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Interesting link you provided - looking through it, I find that nobody was killed in the US during 2016 by an immigrant in a terrorist-related incident. I guess the old policies were working just fine. Thanks, Yvonne!


The point being - they would like to come here. This is about our immigration/refugee policy. The USA is not like Europe but I am sure we will be similar to Europe with our open borders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmmt7tJres

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Luckily for America, the important people already know this. We've won, and President Trump will continue enacting measures to make us safer.

Let these bitter, nasty "progressives" on this site spew as many lies as they want. Doesn't matter, they lost.


When you say "wewonwewonwewon" often, it appears as though you care more about winning than good policy.

This is further proof that political discussions are nothing more than glorified sports debates. Fans root for their own team regardless of the information (on both the left and the right).


I've been very clear about what I mean if you've been paying attention.

The very policies that are the subject of this thread were on the ballot, and the side that wanted to implement them won. That means they get implemented, barring action by the courts.

I think this is very good policy and the American voters agree. There's really no point in discussing further. Neither side will convince the other and for good reason: this stuff was the subject of an 18+ month campaign and has been analyzed in detail for the American voters, who already made their decision.

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Interesting link you provided - looking through it, I find that nobody was killed in the US during 2016 by an immigrant in a terrorist-related incident. I guess the old policies were working just fine. Thanks, Yvonne!

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I type the number of terrorists attacks since 2016 and they are broken down by months. There are people who want to destroy democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016


Luckily for America, the important people already know this. We've won, and President Trump will continue enacting measures to make us safer.

Let these bitter, nasty "progressives" on this site spew as many lies as they want. Doesn't matter, they lost.


When you say "wewonwewonwewon" often, it appears as though you care more about winning than good policy.

This is further proof that political discussions are nothing more than glorified sports debates. Fans root for their own team regardless of the information (on both the left and the right).

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