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Trump has a mandate given the results I posted and the tone of the media.

You mean, the same media that gave him billions in free publicity?


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Despite their relentless smear campaign against him, Trump received a higher share of all minority voters than Romney did.

lol

80% of blacks voted for Clinton
65% of Hispanics voted for Clinton
87% of AAPIs voted for Clinton

Yes, this was not as stunning as Obama's 2012 numbers, but no Republican should be happy with how badly they are losing minority votes.

And of course, it remains to be seen whether upcoming immigration policy will, for example, further drive minorities away from the Republican party.


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Despite the fabricated accusations of sexual assault

Like his own admission of grabbing women?


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more white women voted for Trump than Hillary

H'm, let's take a closer look.

Clinton beat Trump among all women by 12%.
Clinton beat Trump among white college-educated women by 6%

Where Trump cleaned up was among white non-college educated women (32%)


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It is abundantly clear that the media tried to paint a picture of him as some monster who offends women and minorities, but these groups rejected this false narrative.

Or, most Republican women ignored his misdeeds out of partisan loyalty -- pretty much the same reason why many Democratic women ignored Bill Clinton's misdeeds while in office.


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He has a mandate and will be using it. And since the media used up all their credibility during the election, what they say doesn't matter.

lol

I hope that mantra works for you, because you're going to need it a lot over the next 4 years.

Despite your fever dream that this was a death blow to the media, the reality is quite different. Again, TV news ratings were at all-time highs, including several networks you presumably despise, and there is no sign that people are abandoning them in droves.

Meanwhile, faith in most major institutions -- Congress, big businesses, the criminal justice system, unions, banks, schools, SCOTUS, presidency, organized religion -- has been falling for years. The media is merely one of many institutions getting hammered. And I see no indication that a few years of Trump will improve the standing of either Congress or the presidency.....

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This is why our education system sucks. Former teachers don't know simple grammar!


Spelling and grammar might be lost causes. (We gave software so crew that up know.)

On schools though, I would like to see our public education system include psychology as normal coursework. We would almost certainly be a collectively wiser nation if more of us were able to identify that the source of our bitterness and resentment is usually attached to the finger we use to point at others.

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It is abundantly clear that the media tried to paint a picture of him as some monster who offends women and minorities, but these groups rejected this false narrative.


I'm pretty sure he did a good job of painting himself as a monster that not only offends women and minorities, but actively assaults them.

But you do you JCMan8.

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Trump spent half as much money per vote than crooked Hillary did-and Wall Street funded her supporting SuperPacs by a gigantic amount. If those $ were even close the popular vote would've been huuuuuuuuuge for Trump. I don't the stats in front of me, but the swing since 2009 towards Republicans in the Senate, House, governorships, and state legislatures is, again, huuuuuuuuge. And the way they're acting after the election just shows how tone deaf they still are.

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Trump has a mandate given the results I posted and the tone of the media.

Despite their relentless smear campaign against him, Trump received a higher share of all minority voters than Romney did.

Despite the fabricated accusations of sexual assault, more white women voted for Trump than Hillary (and Hillary received less % of the overall female vote than Obama did in 2012).

It is abundantly clear that the media tried to paint a picture of him as some monster who offends women and minorities, but these groups rejected this false narrative.

He has a mandate and will be using it. And since the media used up all their credibility during the election, what they say doesn't matter. There's a reason the public trust in the mainstream media is at an all time low.

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Pointing to the popular vote is completely irrelevant, as has already been explained. The only metric that counts is the Electoral College, which was a landslide. Even the liberal Washington Post debunked your little theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/th ... -a-popular-vote-election/



I know you're mostly trolling and will never back down on your blind support, but your continued claims that this was a landslide are getting tiresome. He flipped a couple key states.

Donald Trump owes his victory in the Electoral College to the three states he won by the smallest number of votes: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So it's fair to say that the 2016 presidential election was decided by about 100,000 votes out of more than 120 million ballots cast.

According to the latest tallies, Trump won Pennsylvania by 1.1 percentage points (68,236 votes), Wisconsin by 0.9 points (27,257 votes), Michigan by 0.2 points (11,837 votes). If Clinton had won all three states, she would have won the Electoral College 278 to 260. She fell short in all three, of course, and that's why we are now getting accustomed to the reality of President-elect Donald J. Trump.


That may be true, but landslide refers to the end score.

In terms of electoral results, sure.

In terms of a mandate? Nope. Not at all.

If Trump had won the popular vote by 10 points, he'd unquestionably have a mandate. 5%, not so much. 2%, no. -1%? Absolutely not.

In terms of the Senate, the Republicans lost 2 seats, and have almost the smallest majority possible -- currently 51 seats, most likely 52 after the LA runoff. Victory, sure. Mandate? Not even close.

So while the change in political control is significant, it would be a huge mistake to conflate this with a popular mandate, or assume that 3/4 of the US has now suddenly swung to the right. The reality is that the US is still very closely split, as it has been for decades.

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Dolomiti, Trump made a promise to end the practice of sanctuary cities and this is what he will do.

Again... lol

We have no idea what he will and won't do. Among other factors....
- He has zero public service record
- He has no experience dealing with a legislature (friendly or otherwise)
- We have no idea what will actually get through Congress
- He has flip-flopped on almost every policy he's ever touted
- We have no idea how he will react if his policy proposal winds up being rejected by a big chunk of the US population (who will be negatively affected by cutting federal funds)
- We have no idea how Senators will react if cutting funds to major cities in their districts does not go over well
- He's already softening on a variety of "promises"
- Trump is fundamentally unpredictable

Until we see what he actually does, it is a huge mistake to treat his promises as though they are done deals.


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Ensuring the states enforce federal law is not "shafting" them, it's making them behave like adults.

The threat is to cut off federal funding for programs unrelated to immigration enforcement. It's hard to spin that as anything other than trying to screw cities as a pressure tactic.

And no, the definition of "behaving like adults" is not "doing exactly what JCMan8 demands."


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Pointing to the popular vote is completely irrelevant, as has already been explained.

Good grief.

I'm not saying "Trump was not elected in accordance with the rules of the system." What I'm saying is that he does not have a mandate.

And no, speculations that he would have done better if the structure was different tells us nothing about the real world -- where the results tell us that half the voters did not want him in office.

Further, the idea that a close election proves that everyone has rejected the press is beyond absurd. News media had a bonanza with the election, including outlets like Fox, CNN and MSNBC hitting record ratings. In the same way that people did not permanently abandon Fox after the 2008 and 2012 elections, most people's views of the media have not actually changed much.

Oh, and nj.com is part of the left-wing media conspiracy? lol


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And nice attempt to defend our deceitful media.

By pointing out the facts about what they actually wrote?


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Everyone knows full well that Fulop is only talking about illegal immigrants (not "undocumented," illegal).

Yes, that includes the authors of the article, who pointed that out IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH of the article.

And again, they explicitly used the term "undocumented immigrants" in reference to Baraka's continued policy.

Yes, I know, all these pesky facts are so inconvenient, aren't they?

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Pointing to the popular vote is completely irrelevant, as has already been explained. The only metric that counts is the Electoral College, which was a landslide. Even the liberal Washington Post debunked your little theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/th ... -a-popular-vote-election/



I know you're mostly trolling and will never back down on your blind support, but your continued claims that this was a landslide are getting tiresome. He flipped a couple key states.

Donald Trump owes his victory in the Electoral College to the three states he won by the smallest number of votes: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So it's fair to say that the 2016 presidential election was decided by about 100,000 votes out of more than 120 million ballots cast.

According to the latest tallies, Trump won Pennsylvania by 1.1 percentage points (68,236 votes), Wisconsin by 0.9 points (27,257 votes), Michigan by 0.2 points (11,837 votes). If Clinton had won all three states, she would have won the Electoral College 278 to 260. She fell short in all three, of course, and that's why we are now getting accustomed to the reality of President-elect Donald J. Trump.


That may be true, but landslide refers to the end score. Even if he lost the states you say, Hillary only would have had a very narrow victory.

The final score was 306 to 232. If you disagree with landslide, you could say decisive victory, but that's about as far as you can go. Note that when I refer to landslide, I am also talking about the total election results, which saw Republicans gain control of the presidency, keep control of the House and the Senate, and soon the SCOTUS. Pointing to the irrelevant popular vote means nothing.

Additionally, the three Republican senator candidates who publicly distanced themselves from Trump all lost.

Trump has received a broad mandate from these results and will be carrying it out, whether the media (or "progressives") likes it or not. And I notice you shifted away from their deceitful use of the term "immigrants" in the headline because there is no defense.

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Pointing to the popular vote is completely irrelevant, as has already been explained. The only metric that counts is the Electoral College, which was a landslide. Even the liberal Washington Post debunked your little theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/th ... -a-popular-vote-election/



I know you're mostly trolling and will never back down on your blind support, but your continued claims that this was a landslide are getting tiresome. He flipped a couple key states.

Donald Trump owes his victory in the Electoral College to the three states he won by the smallest number of votes: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So it's fair to say that the 2016 presidential election was decided by about 100,000 votes out of more than 120 million ballots cast.

According to the latest tallies, Trump won Pennsylvania by 1.1 percentage points (68,236 votes), Wisconsin by 0.9 points (27,257 votes), Michigan by 0.2 points (11,837 votes). If Clinton had won all three states, she would have won the Electoral College 278 to 260. She fell short in all three, of course, and that's why we are now getting accustomed to the reality of President-elect Donald J. Trump.

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Dolomiti, Trump made a promise to end the practice of sanctuary cities and this is what he will do. Ensuring the states enforce federal law is not "shafting" them, it's making them behave like adults.

Pointing to the popular vote is completely irrelevant, as has already been explained. The only metric that counts is the Electoral College, which was a landslide. Even the liberal Washington Post debunked your little theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/th ... -a-popular-vote-election/

And nice attempt to defend our deceitful media. Everyone knows full well that Fulop is only talking about illegal immigrants (not "undocumented," illegal). There is zero reason to write a headline that says "immigrants" except to intentionally stir up fear among legal immigrants. It's well known that many people just read the headline in passing. And this deceit is commonly practiced in our mass media.

I suspect the reason for conflating illegal immigrants with all immigrants is because liberals know their position is indefensible. They can't admit they embrace and reward lawlessness, so they have to lie about it. Luckily, the voters rejected them, and the problem is well on its way to being corrected.

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The voters have woken up to the continued lies and smears that are spewed out of the left and the mass media.

Look no further than the title of this article (and thread). Fulop is welcoming to "immigrants." We all know full well that "immigrants" aren't the issue, illegal immigrants are.

So they aren't fooling anyone yet they continue to lie and deceive, only hurting their credibility further in the eyes of everyone who isn't part of their echo chambers.

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Another attempted left smear that failed to capture the attention of the voters.

At least she was paying her income taxes through the company that employed her.

How many illegal given the choice to file or pocket the federal/state taxes, ssi etc.



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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html



1) JCMan8 vs JCMan24? That's gonna get confusing. One or both of you have to change your nick.

2) You expect Trump to live up to his campaign promises? lol

3) The constitutionality of the method adopted by sanctuary cities is fairly solid.

3a) We should note that those who normally protect "states rights" and seek to limit federalism, who then want the federal government to impose its will on local governments, are being hypocrites. Not that this will stop the Republicans from actually being hypocrites, but it's worth mentioning.

4) While Republicans already do poorly in urban areas, they aren't going to improve their standing by shafting most of the biggest cities in the US.

5) You seem to put an awful lot of weight on the voters -- while ignoring that a) the majority of Americans did not in fact vote for Trump, and b) the majority of Americans who live in those cities didn't vote for him either.

I.e. proclaiming a democratic mandate, when your candidate doesn't actually have one, and is in office because of undemocratic aspects of the system? That doesn't fly.

5a) Not only does the article say right in the first paragraph that we're talking about undocumented immigrants, that term is also in headlines about the topic written by the same media outlet, one day earlier:

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/201 ... documented_residents.html

So, spare us your fauxrage over problems that don't exist in the first place.

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The voters have woken up to the continued lies and smears that are spewed out of the left and the mass media.

Look no further than the title of this article (and thread). Fulop is welcoming to "immigrants." We all know full well that "immigrants" aren't the issue, illegal immigrants are.

So they aren't fooling anyone yet they continue to lie and deceive, only hurting their credibility further in the eyes of everyone who isn't part of their echo chambers.

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Another attempted left smear that failed to capture the attention of the voters.

At least she was paying her income taxes through the company that employed her.

How many illegal given the choice to file or pocket the federal/state taxes, ssi etc.



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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html

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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html


A 'handful' of gigs, 'weeks' before she was legit. I can live with that.


Some people could live the consequences of moving some traffic cones...

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Another attempted left smear that failed to capture the attention of the voters.

At least she was paying her income taxes through the company that employed her.

How many illegal given the choice to file or pocket the federal/state taxes, ssi etc.



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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html

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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html


A 'handful' of gigs, 'weeks' before she was legit. I can live with that.

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Trump loves immigrants, so I don't get Fulop's screed. He, like the majority of citizens, oppose illegal immigrants. He wouldn't be a very good POTUS if he didn't believe in the rule of our laws. And as we've seen in a zillion video shares on social media, his stance on illegal immigration was mirrored by Bill and Hillary Clinton-except they weren't called 'racist' for saying the exact same thing!


Fulop is engaging in virtue signaling, nothing more. It's a hallmark of "progressive" behavior.

http://acculturated.com/virtue-signaling/

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Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

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Godwin's law, drink!

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It's hard to get excited about rounding people up when we're on the verge of having actual Nazis in the White House.

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Trump loves immigrants, so I don't get Fulop's screed. He, like the majority of citizens, oppose illegal immigrants. He wouldn't be a very good POTUS if he didn't believe in the rule of our laws. And as we've seen in a zillion video shares on social media, his stance on illegal immigration was mirrored by Bill and Hillary Clinton-except they weren't called 'racist' for saying the exact same thing!

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I'd take a million immigrants over the racists we have here on the site...

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


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JERSEY CITY — Mayor Steve Fulop today joined a chorus of Democratic mayors nationwide who have tried to reassure immigrants rattled over last week's election of Donald J. Trump as president, saying the city will remain a so-called "sanctuary city" for undocumented residents.

"Jersey City remains the golden door to this country for immigrants and that will not change despite a change in the presidency," Fulop said in a statement. "Our policies, principles and our city, as a whole, will remain a welcoming community for immigrants and families."

Read more:  http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_will_remain_a_welc.html



I am very proud of our Mayor!


You are proud he is harboring criminals and telling illegals to come and be safe here? All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.

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JERSEY CITY — Mayor Steve Fulop today joined a chorus of Democratic mayors nationwide who have tried to reassure immigrants rattled over last week's election of Donald J. Trump as president, saying the city will remain a so-called "sanctuary city" for undocumented residents.

"Jersey City remains the golden door to this country for immigrants and that will not change despite a change in the presidency," Fulop said in a statement. "Our policies, principles and our city, as a whole, will remain a welcoming community for immigrants and families."

Read more:  http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_will_remain_a_welc.html



I am very proud of our Mayor!

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There is really no defense of this practice other then classifing it as liber logic.

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Seems many here approve of illegal permanent entry into this country. So should we end the use of passports and just say there are here on a stay-cation ?

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This is the reason our schools are crowded and there is a shortage of housing. It is the reason some hospitals have closed because of the medical cost are transferred to these hospitals. Nothing is free, someone is paying for the basic services of undocument immigrants. By the way, it appears this country goes after certain immigrants. I have know 3 people, 2 from Europe and one Canadian who were deported.


Actually, undocumented immigrants in this country contribute tens of BILLIONS of dollars in taxes every year. Literally, BILLIONS, and they do not get to reap many of the benefits of those taxes.

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Hey... did you even read the article and not just the misleading headline... It basically says a majority of illegal aliens do not pay income taxes... they do pay sales taxes etc. They draw $24k average in "social benefits" but pay only$11K in taxes with a net loss to US taxpayers of $13K. They may pay some sort of local sales tax but in no way does that offset what they are paying into the social service net, compared to what they are sucking out of it.
Typical liberal headline writer who does not understand content of article and writes a headline easily digestible by other foolish liberals. Inability to understand math and analyze data is what lead the whiny liberals to think Hillary won the election.

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This is the reason our schools are crowded and there is a shortage of housing. It is the reason some hospitals have closed because of the medical cost are transferred to these hospitals. Nothing is free, someone is paying for the basic services of undocument immigrants. By the way, it appears this country goes after certain immigrants. I have know 3 people, 2 from Europe and one Canadian who were deported.


Actually, undocumented immigrants in this country contribute tens of BILLIONS of dollars in taxes every year. Literally, BILLIONS, and they do not get to reap many of the benefits of those taxes.

LINK WITH REAL DATA

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This is the reason our schools are crowded and there is a shortage of housing. It is the reason some hospitals have closed because of the medical cost transferred are to these hospitals. Nothing is free, someone is paying for the basic services of undocument immigrants. By the way, it appears this country go after certain immigrants. I have know 3 people, 2 from Europe and one Canadian who was deported.


This is why our education system sucks. Former teachers don't know simple grammar!

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