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Re: Fulop: despite Trump, Jersey City remains 'welcoming' to immigrants
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Seemingly, some of the Democrats here are doubling down on the 'progressive' thoughts of protecting illegal immigrants over the well being of our citizens.

Er, look where that got you 9 days ago . . .


False dichotomy. We can be safe and protect the human rights of undocumented people at the same time. The thought of rounding people up is very uncomfortable when we have white supremacists advising the President Elect.


We have zero obligation to house, feed, provide healthcare, etc to illegal aliens, especially when we have citizens that go hungry and veterans who need medical care.

News flash! Sanctuary cities don't do any of those things.

In most cases, they just don't inform ICE when they are going to release someone from custody who may be an unauthorized immigrant. Some cities also have policies not to ask about immigration status.

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for any federal or state benefits. They don't get subsidized housing, they don't get AFDC, they are typically barred from Medicaid, etc. The majority of the costs to the state is education; and since many of their children are in fact US citizens, the result is that the costs of that community are fairly small.

As to the Americans who go hungry and need medical care? Aside from the fact that it's going to cost a lot of money to attempt (and mostly fail) to secure the border, to investigate cases, and deport those immigrants: Spending on undocumented immigrants certainly does not stop us from fully funding those programs.

The reality is that we spend 75% of the federal budget on the military, Social Security, Medicare, and interest on the debt. Meanwhile, the VA is around 4% of annual spending. Unsurprisingly, many of the same people who scream about undocumented immigrants are also happy to cut funding for AFDC and other safety nets.

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I love hearing leftists now blaming the alt-left media for electing Trump. Free media attention.... played them like a fiddle.

Apparently the socialist-communists in power and the alt-left media propagandists also failed to communicate that their phony message of an all inclusive hope and change racial/gender free society. It was not felt by a significant number of people who exercised their right to vote. BTW voting is not racist... yet.

I would suggest the socialists go back and look a candidate nominating process where the power of unelected super delegates exceeds that of the elected delegates... that is a system that puts forth corrupt candidates like Hillary.



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Wow, Pebble recovered after the crushing blow on Nov 9. And he's back to his usual babble - racist this, racist that... No lessons learned, nada.

Still looking at the world through the lens of racism.

It is more complex than that.

What lesson should be learned?

Saying JCMan8 is a racist isn't an opinion. It's a fact. This website is known as a racist hangout. That is also a fact.

The only thing this election taught us was that if you hand one person $5 billion in free media (lol at those bitching about the media when they got your guy elected) and you depress the vote enough a guy will come into office and put a white nationalist as his top advisor.

Ultimately, you decided that you are ok with a racist as president. I guess this is a result of you being a racist or so abjectly uneducated that you actually think the economy is bad.

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Wow, Pebble recovered after the crushing blow on Nov 9. And he's back to his usual babble - racist this, racist that... No lessons learned, nada.

Still looking at the world through the lens of racism.

It is more complex than that.

What lesson should be learned?

Saying JCMan8 is a racist isn't an opinion. It's a fact. This website is known as a racist hangout. That is also a fact.

The only thing this election taught us was that if you hand one person $5 billion in free media (lol at those bitching about the media when they got your guy elected) and you depress the vote enough a guy will come into office and put a white nationalist as his top advisor.

Ultimately, you decided that you are ok with a racist as president. I guess this is a result of you being a racist or so abjectly uneducated that you actually think the economy is bad.

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Holy crap does JCMAN8 only leave the house for klan rallies?? JClist has become 90% him spouting racist shit and then claiming it's not racist by some backwards logic that only he understands. Can we can an ignore feature????



Ahhh.... this from a guy who interprets a simple question about a new neighborhood bakery, "Notice the hours?' to be xenophobic. I have a whole lot of faith in your ability to read and comprehend.

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Seemingly, some of the Democrats here are doubling down on the 'progressive' thoughts of protecting illegal immigrants over the well being of our citizens.

Er, look where that got you 9 days ago . . .


False dichotomy. We can be safe and protect the human rights of undocumented people at the same time. The thought of rounding people up is very uncomfortable when we have white supremacists advising the President Elect.


We have zero obligation to house, feed, provide healthcare, etc to illegal aliens, especially when we have citizens that go hungry and veterans who need medical care.

But keep it up, your attitude will keep Trump in place for a second term.

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Seemingly, some of the Democrats here are doubling down on the 'progressive' thoughts of protecting illegal immigrants over the well being of our citizens.

Er, look where that got you 9 days ago . . .


False dichotomy. We can be safe and protect the human rights of undocumented people at the same time. The thought of rounding people up is very uncomfortable when we have white supremacists advising the President Elect.

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Seemingly, some of the Democrats here are doubling down on the 'progressive' thoughts of protecting illegal immigrants over the well being of our citizens.

Er, look where that got you 9 days ago . . .

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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html


A 'handful' of gigs, 'weeks' before she was legit. I can live with that.


http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania- ... from-racy-shoot-revealed/

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/ ... auss-first-lady-erections

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So you consider children who were brought into the US by their parents when they were minor criminals?

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals:

Improper Entry Is a Crime

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.



What is wrong with you people? Get back on topic. This is about reporting illegal aliens that are criminals. No one is suggesting going after law abiding immigrants

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you didn't answer my question

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What I "consider" is irrelevant. The law is the law. Improper entry into the United States is a crime, and I corrected someone who was spreading incorrect information.

In any event, this discussion is starting to go in circles. President Trump will handle this problem as he sees fit.

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals:

Improper Entry Is a Crime

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

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So you consider children who were brought into the US by their parents when they were minor criminals?

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals:

Improper Entry Is a Crime

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals...

No one owns facts.

For example: 30-40% of undocumented immigrants did, in fact, enter the US legally. Those individuals overstayed their visas, and while this can result in deportation and other serious consequences, it is not classified as a criminal offense. The three points you cited don't apply to overstays.

We should note this number is on the rise, as most of the undocumented immigrants are now coming from Asia, not the Americas.


I already said that overstaying your visa is not a crime, though the penalty is deportation.

My post debunked SOS's blatant lie that illegal entry into the United States is not a crime. It is, and these illegal immigrants are criminal by definition.

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals...

No one owns facts.

For example: 30-40% of undocumented immigrants did, in fact, enter the US legally. Those individuals overstayed their visas, and while this can result in deportation and other serious consequences, it is not classified as a criminal offense. The three points you cited don't apply to overstays.

We should note this number is on the rise, as most of the undocumented immigrants are now coming from Asia, not the Americas.

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And this us from my link. A shame that you have to resort to your own "facts" to defend criminals:

Improper Entry Is a Crime

To be clear, the most common crime associated with illegal immigration is likely improper entry. Under federal criminal law, it is misdemeanor for an alien (i.e., a non-citizen) to:
Enter or attempt to enter the United States at any time or place other than designated by immigration officers;
Elude examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempt to enter or obtain entry to the United States by willfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts.
The punishment under this federal law is no more than six months of incarceration and up to $250 in civil penalties for each illegal entry. These acts of improper entry -- including the mythic "border jumping" -- are criminal acts associated with illegally immigrating to the United States.

Like all other criminal charges in the United States, improper entry must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict.

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...


That's not exactly true. Undocumented aliens in the US aren't considered to be criminals unless they commit a crime. It's a civil offense and the penalty is deportation. If a person is deported then re-enters the country illegally, they then can be considered a criminal and subject to prosecution and possibly sentenced to a prison term and/or fine. An exception is the state of Arizona. It's a state misdemeanor to be in the US illegally and undocumented aliens are subject to penalties in addition to deportation, even if they have never been deported.


Wrong, not surprisingly.

Illegal entry into the United States is a crime, specifically a misdemeanor, and illegal immigrants are criminals. In comparison, overstaying a visa is a civil offense.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014 ... -v-unlawful-presence.html

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration-is-a-crime

Further, Trump said he's going to deport the 3 million illegal immigrants (who are criminal by definition) who also committed additional crimes.

The move is long overdue.


It's a civil offense, not criminal.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/illegal-aliens-are-not-criminals/



You seem to have great difficulty with reading comprehension. Your link does not refute anything I said, and I provided sources for the fact that illegal immigrants are criminals. Entering the country illegally is a crime.


This is from my link:

And who better to set me straight than someone who would have to be considered an expert on the enforcement of immigration law? Assistant Homeland Security Secretary John Morton is currently head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A former federal prosecutor, Morton is no squishy liberal and he doesn’t take lawbreakers lightly. Yet, when I asked him during a recent interview whether illegal immigrants are de facto criminals, he answered: “Not necessarily.” It all depends, he said, on the specific circumstances of any one case. The thing to keep in mind is that the laws governing who is allowed to enter the country and under what circumstances aren’t criminal statutes.

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...


That's not exactly true. Undocumented aliens in the US aren't considered to be criminals unless they commit a crime. It's a civil offense and the penalty is deportation. If a person is deported then re-enters the country illegally, they then can be considered a criminal and subject to prosecution and possibly sentenced to a prison term and/or fine. An exception is the state of Arizona. It's a state misdemeanor to be in the US illegally and undocumented aliens are subject to penalties in addition to deportation, even if they have never been deported.


Wrong, not surprisingly.

Illegal entry into the United States is a crime, specifically a misdemeanor, and illegal immigrants are criminals. In comparison, overstaying a visa is a civil offense.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014 ... -v-unlawful-presence.html

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration-is-a-crime

Further, Trump said he's going to deport the 3 million illegal immigrants (who are criminal by definition) who also committed additional crimes.

The move is long overdue.


It's a civil offense, not criminal.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/illegal-aliens-are-not-criminals/



You seem to have great difficulty with reading comprehension. Your link does not refute anything I said, and I provided sources for the fact that illegal immigrants are criminals. Entering the country illegally is a crime.

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...


That's not exactly true. Undocumented aliens in the US aren't considered to be criminals unless they commit a crime. It's a civil offense and the penalty is deportation. If a person is deported then re-enters the country illegally, they then can be considered a criminal and subject to prosecution and possibly sentenced to a prison term and/or fine. An exception is the state of Arizona. It's a state misdemeanor to be in the US illegally and undocumented aliens are subject to penalties in addition to deportation, even if they have never been deported.


Wrong, not surprisingly.

Illegal entry into the United States is a crime, specifically a misdemeanor, and illegal immigrants are criminals. In comparison, overstaying a visa is a civil offense.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014 ... -v-unlawful-presence.html

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration-is-a-crime

Further, Trump said he's going to deport the 3 million illegal immigrants (who are criminal by definition) who also committed additional crimes.

The move is long overdue.


It's a civil offense, not criminal.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/illegal-aliens-are-not-criminals/


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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...


That's not exactly true. Undocumented aliens in the US aren't considered to be criminals unless they commit a crime. It's a civil offense and the penalty is deportation. If a person is deported then re-enters the country illegally, they then can be considered a criminal and subject to prosecution and possibly sentenced to a prison term and/or fine. An exception is the state of Arizona. It's a state misdemeanor to be in the US illegally and undocumented aliens are subject to penalties in addition to deportation, even if they have never been deported.


Wrong, not surprisingly.

Illegal entry into the United States is a crime, specifically a misdemeanor, and illegal immigrants are criminals. In comparison, overstaying a visa is a civil offense.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014 ... -v-unlawful-presence.html

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration-is-a-crime

Further, Trump said he's going to deport the 3 million illegal immigrants (who are criminal by definition) who also committed additional crimes.

The move is long overdue.

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All that I have read states Trump is only going after criminals.


You need to read more.


To be fair, being here illegally makes you a criminal, so...


That's not exactly true. Undocumented aliens in the US aren't considered to be criminals unless they commit a crime. It's a civil offense and the penalty is deportation. If a person is deported then re-enters the country illegally, they then can be considered a criminal and subject to prosecution and possibly sentenced to a prison term and/or fine. An exception is the state of Arizona. It's a state misdemeanor to be in the US illegally and undocumented aliens are subject to penalties in addition to deportation, even if they have never been deported.

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This discussion is about deporting criminals yet somehow the insane liberals on this board feel this is racist. It's that kind of thinking that lost the election. Keep it up.

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Seemingly the left and the drive by media haven't figured out that when you use terms like racist indiscriminatingly-it loses the power the word deserves.

Even if you live your life without a shred of racism, you can now be called racist for not taking an active role (whatever that is) against it. I suppose now if you don't march, or contribute $, or vote Democratic-you're racist!


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JCMan8 must be a real treat to hang out with a the Klan rallies. We'll have to check back in on this topic in 10 years to ask how JCMan8 and his buddies feel being on the wrong side of history.

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Idiots like Fulop and libtards on this board only assure 8 years of Trump.

Make my day!


Stephen Bannon? Not off to a good start. You know the expression give them enough rope? Trump has lots of rope...


Bannon is a great hire. Mainstream media is scared to death of him because he expertly exposes their lies, so they've begun their typical playbook of throwing their nasty labels at him: racist, bigot, white supremacist, etc.

Not to mention he's not new; he was the CEO of Trump's campaign and proved his worth.

The smears didn't work with Trump and won't work now. Too bad, so sad!

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Make my day!


Stephen Bannon? Not off to a good start. You know the expression give them enough rope? Trump has lots of rope...

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Wow, Pebble recovered after the crushing blow on Nov 9. And he's back to his usual babble - racist this, racist that... No lessons learned, nada.

Still looking at the world through the lens of racism.

It is more complex than that.

Posted on: 2016/11/17 11:17
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Monroe wrote:
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GrovePath wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html

What happened to "the rule of law"? Either it's legal or illegal. If it's illegal, she broke the law.

A 'handful' of gigs, 'weeks' before she was legit. I can live with that.


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The voters have woken up to the continued lies and smears that are spewed out of the left and the mass media.

Look no further than the title of this article (and thread). Fulop is welcoming to "immigrants." We all know full well that "immigrants" aren't the issue, illegal immigrants are.

So they aren't fooling anyone yet they continue to lie and deceive, only hurting their credibility further in the eyes of everyone who isn't part of their echo chambers.

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Another attempted left smear that failed to capture the attention of the voters.

At least she was paying her income taxes through the company that employed her.

How many illegal given the choice to file or pocket the federal/state taxes, ssi etc.



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Trump...oppose(s) illegal immigrants...


Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks in the US, documents show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/ ... in-us-documents-show.html

Lol! "The voters woke up" ... yeah, except that Trump received a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney. Simply put: too many Dems stayed home. Now, racists like you get to be happy!

Posted on: 2016/11/17 7:30
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Idiots like Fulop and libtards on this board only assure 8 years of Trump.

Make my day!

Posted on: 2016/11/16 18:26
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