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So.... the real question is which first lady is hotter?

Jackie Kennedy or Melania Trump?


You marry Jackie, but sleep with Melania.

Then again, Jackie did have some sex stuff in her prenup with Ari Onassis so everything is negotiable.



Well the rest of that game is "Who do you kill" Lady GaGa... Madonna... Katy Perry... Bey... J-Lo... ???

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Losing so badly that she'll win the national vote. This wasn't a huge win - don't kid yourself. The electoral college is what it is and those were the rules of the game going in, but when you can add up ten states with a combined population of 23 million and get 55 electoral votes, the same number as California gets with 39 million people - that isn't exactly a representative democracy.


Boy, those grapes sure must be sour!

Side note: The phrase "sour grapes" does not mean what you think it means.

In this situation, sour grapes would be someone saying "It's a good thing Clinton did not win the Presidency, because it's a terrible job, and the President gets blamed for everything, and has little effect on policy."

No one is saying anything of the sort. We're expressing our discontent with the election results. Get it straight, kthx.

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1. You are right about the Republican leaders, as I've already said multiple times. The crucial fact you ignore is that the RNC accepted the will of their voters and allowed Trump - who they hated - to be their nominee.

"Allowed?" They had no choice. They desperately wanted to avoid having Trump on the ticket, and we have no idea what they did out of sight of the public. Once he won the nomination, they knew that turning their backs on the man who bragged about adulterous sexual assaults would only make their situation worse.


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They didn't pull shenanigans like the DNC did and use their many contacts in the mass media to marginalize Bernie from the very beginning.

What the what? We have no idea what the RNC was pulling behind closed doors.

But we do know what they did and didn't do in public. They didn't support him; they feuded with him on ground game; they did not pressure Republican leaders to line up behind him; they redirected efforts and money to state and local races; they verged on dropping him multiple times during the campaign, and only refrained from doing so out of a political calculation that doing so would be even more damaging than keeping him on the ticket.

I.e. you are conflating the RNC's cowardice and a craven desire for political power and influence, with respect for the democratic process. Mostly because we haven't seen their emails. Ridiculous.


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They didn't set up an undemocratic system of "super delegates" to put their thumb on the scale for Hillary since Day 1, making her falsely appear to be far more electable.

Oh, good grief.

Sanders put up a good fight, but Clinton beat him in the primaries by nearly 4 million votes. If he had the support of the public, the Dems could not have kept him from winning the primary. He lost, and even he accepted it.


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2. The Democrat winning the popular vote (by a minute fraction) is irrelevant for present purposes since everyone campaigned under the rules of the Electoral College.

lol

Try again. The election was, yet again, extraordinarily close -- down to a few thousand votes. The election was, yet again, an instance of a Republican winning via the undemocratic structure of the Electoral College. Feel free to support the EC if you like, but the simple fact is that it was designed from the start -- and still is -- a decisively undemocratic institution.


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4. It is regrettable you are one of the partisan shills who can't see how Trump is his own man.

It is regrettable that you are one of the partisan shills who cannot see that Trump solicited donations just like every other politician, has already announced that he wants to slash his own tax rate dramatically, and will be doing all sorts of "good" stuff for his family and his buddies.


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Do you know who one of his strongest lobbies is? The NRA.

lol

Do you really not understand that the NRA dumping $30 million on pro-Trump ads is an attempt to influence his policies?

Do you really not understand that the NRA is a textbook example of the "factions" that the Framers were worried about?

Do you really not know that Trump changed his position on guns and gun laws several times in reaction to NRA objections? Apparently not, given your comments, such as....


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This position is STRONGLY in conflict with the NRA.

lol... No, it isn't. The NRA supports investigating people on the terrorist watch list who want to buy guns, and if a court agrees, blocking the sale. Statement from June 2016:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201606 ... ment-on-terror-watchlists

They were so "outraged" that they sat down with him, and told him (and/or his campaign) how to fix his position so it matched the NRA's.

Trump also flipped to NRA positions on guns in classrooms, not taking guns into nightclubs, getting rid of some but not all gun-free zones, etc. I.e. he has basically fallen in with all major NRA positions, in order to satisfy the gun lobby.

Of course, Trump flip-flops so often, that I can see why you wouldn't notice when he changes his positions in reaction to a special interest group. (e.g. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016- ... -policy-positions-n547801)


And again: He has zero record in public service, meaning he has never actually been put to the test. What we do know is that he put very little of his own money into the campaign; that he spent a lot of the campaign funds into his own businesses; and that he took millions (much of which the public can't track) from business interests and billionaires alike.

Seriously, how do you think this is going to play out? Do you think he's going to break up JPM Chase? Is he going to increase regulation of Wall Street? He's talked about closing the carried-interest loophole -- and also plans to slash pass-through income tax rate from 35% to 15%. Did he do this because he is his "own man" (and his own business would get a 20% tax break), or because the hedge funds who gave him $20 million got his ear and "suggested" it?

Last but not least, he's been hobnobbing and doing business for years with lots of wealthy elites. As I could swear I already said, it is beyond naive to assume they will not have any influence on him.

Trump is not a "political outsider." He did not land the Post Office hotel contract by pissing off all of the federal government. He is not immune to influence. And he is highly unlikely to cross his wealthy donors. Be patient, you'll have plenty of opportunities to excuse the favors he'll dole out to his donors and friends.

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Sexiness of First Ladies aside, Michelle Obama seemed to be a figure that all Americans, regardless of party, respected. Her passion to decrease childhood obesity contributed to that respect. I wonder what Melania's mission will be...

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While I'm thinking to ask: did his rape trial involving the then 13-y/o girl start today? I haven't had a chance to check.


The lawsuit was dropped. You progressives are batting zero. Not even that to latch onto.

Ouch.

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As is your wont, you've conflated various things I've said to fit your purpose. Of course I'm guessing about the future - there is a fairly well established history of how these things often? usually? (but not always) play out. "Wave elections" almost always occur in the midterm of the a president's first term.

Talk to me in four years after all of the draining and burning is done. Unity platform.... haha! Good luck to all of us.

While I'm thinking to ask: did his rape trial involving the then 13-y/o girl start today? I haven't had a chance to check.

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So.... the real question is which first lady is hotter?

Jackie Kennedy or Melania Trump?


You marry Jackie, but sleep with Melania.

Then again, Jackie did have some sex stuff in her prenup with Ari Onassis so everything is negotiable.

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Wrong yet again (I do admire your consistency.) I did watch a good chunk of his speech. I saw his mouth move. I heard words come out. He has contradicted himself at almost every step of the campaign - we are supposed to believe these particular words because they came at a particular point in time? That's foolish. I'll see what he actually does rather than listen to the word salad. At least he accepted the results of the election...

Look - this will play out the same way it always does. The novice will get in office, full of big plans. He has the wind at his back with the house and senate. They will inevitably overreach - I won't predict how, but there are probably a dozen likely paths. In 2018, the senate will flip. If he's learned on the job and matured to the point that he's respected within his party and can consistently act like an adult, he'll have a fighting chance to win a second term but he'll never have the both the house and senate again after 2018. However, when the people who feel as though they've been left behind realize in four years that nothing changed in their lives, they aren't as likely to turn out in big numbers. And after the 2020 census, districts will be redrawn and the the machine that hands the house to the GOP every two years by big margins in total seats despite getting fewer votes, will be weakened to an extent.

Nothing will change. Manufacturing jobs that disappeared from the US aren't going to magically reappear not because the US worker can't compete but because those jobs don't exist on anywhere near the scale they used to, having been replaced by technology. Trade deals aren't going to be canceled. Debt isn't going to be "renegotiated". He'll get a judge or two, probably a tax cut that won't benefit the working class and relations with the rest of the world will suffer. And that's about the extent of it - he doesn't have the temperament or intellect to actually effect much of what he's after. If congress happens to like something he's talked about, they'll tee it up for him and that'll get done.


Much of your post is speculation and your wishful thinking, which is not a substitute for facts.

For one of many examples, you said "In 2018, the senate will flip." This just betrays an ignorance of the parameters of that election.

Do you know why so many thought the Senate could flip last night? It is because MANY more Republican seats were up for grabs than Dem ones. The reverse is true in 2018. Further, many of the Dem seats on the ballot for 2018 are far from a sure thing to repeat (WV, IN, and MT come to mind).

So unless Trump is a complete disaster from Day 1, the odds are that the Senate will NOT flip in 2018. Certainly there is NO basis for "the sentient person" to accept your guarantee that the Senate will definitely flip. But thanks for playing.

As for the rest, Trump campaigned on a unity platform to help all hardworking Americans (not illegals, a distinction the Left simply refuses to make), and I'm very happy to see that he will have a great opportunity to implement his platform.

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Wrong yet again (I do admire your consistency.) I did watch a good chunk of his speech. I saw his mouth move. I heard words come out. He has contradicted himself at almost every step of the campaign - we are supposed to believe these particular words because they came at a particular point in time? That's foolish. I'll see what he actually does rather than listen to the word salad. At least he accepted the results of the election...

Look - this will play out the same way it always does. The novice will get in office, full of big plans. He has the wind at his back with the house and senate. They will inevitably overreach - I won't predict how, but there are probably a dozen likely paths. In 2018, the senate will flip. If he's learned on the job and matured to the point that he's respected within his party and can consistently act like an adult, he'll have a fighting chance to win a second term but he'll never have the both the house and senate again after 2018. However, when the people who feel as though they've been left behind realize in four years that nothing changed in their lives, they aren't as likely to turn out in big numbers. And after the 2020 census, districts will be redrawn and the the machine that hands the house to the GOP every two years by big margins in total seats despite getting fewer votes, will be weakened to an extent.

Nothing will change. Manufacturing jobs that disappeared from the US aren't going to magically reappear not because the US worker can't compete but because those jobs don't exist on anywhere near the scale they used to, having been replaced by technology. Trade deals aren't going to be canceled. Debt isn't going to be "renegotiated". He'll get a judge or two, probably a tax cut that won't benefit the working class and relations with the rest of the world will suffer. And that's about the extent of it - he doesn't have the temperament or intellect to actually effect much of what he's after. If congress happens to like something he's talked about, they'll tee it up for him and that'll get done.

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These are a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging an obvious, simple truth: the RNC did not allow the personal opinions of its leaders to interfere with the will of its voters.

You're performing very few mental gymnastics to ignore that the vast majority of Republican leaders did exactly that, including refusing to support him, revoking support, not campaigning with him, not providing funding, and the RNC doing the absolute minimum.

I.e. It sure looks like they did as little as possible to help him, without utterly destroying their own party with a direct rejection. It was not a show of integrity, it was a craven decision as a direct result of their purpose -- maintaining political power for their party.


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This is inherently undemocratic....

lol

For the second time in recent memory, a Democrat won the popular vote, and lost the electoral college. In this case, the Democrat lost to a candidate who has been screeching for months that the election is "rigged," yet is awfully silent about that since he won. Democracy, indeed....


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RNC emails that would show they hated Trump only makes my point stronger. You clearly are an intelligent man so I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse over this simple point.

You've GOT to be kidding. DNC staffers supporting Hillary were undemocratic and cost her the election, but if the RNC did the same for Trump's opponents then that's a sign of a healthy democratic system and organization integrity? Ludicrous.


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He's not beholden to special interests or anyone, vastly unlike Hillary.

Right, it's not like he's borrowed millions from Wall Street banks for decades, or done business with Chinese companies and Saudi royalty, or has business contracts with wealthy real estate owners and contractors. Yes, we can know this for certain because of his long history in public service. Oh, wait....

And of course, we know a few of Trump's donors in this election cycle:

Renaissance Technology: $15 million
GH Palmer: $2 million
Marcus Foundation: $2 million
Hawaiian Gardens Casino: $1 million

And that's just the ones publicly disclosed, as there is tons of dark money sloshing around.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864

Surely you cannot be naive enough to think Renaissance donated $15m to Trump alone, out of the goodness of their quantitative hearts?

And is he his "own man" if he advocates for tax breaks that benefit people of his own income level, and casinos, and real estate magnates?

Oh, wait, I know what the answer will be. Heeding big donors and setting up tax cuts for his own businesses is just "good business." Well, at least when Trump does it.


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And you are wrong to suggest he is "one of them." His entire life he's been shunned by them; he's a true outsider.

Good grief, what a steaming pile. He was born into wealth, he was raised in wealth, he attended elite colleges, he's been rubbing shoulders with the elites (including signing business deals and donating to politicians from both parties) for decades.

This myth that he's a "man of the people" is sheer nonsense. I really don't know why anyone falls for it.


Dolomiti, read my lips:

1. POTUS
2. SCOTUS (soon)
3. House
4. Senate

Sucks to be you, I know.

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You clearly didn't bother to watch Trump's speech and your perception of reality is skewed by the liberal information sources you read (this includes most of the mass media).

Trump doesn't spread hate against legal Americans; Hillary does by making statements like her "deplorables" comment. The media spread this deceitful canard that nationalism somehow equates to white nationalism, but that lie just isn't true no matter how many times you say it.

Trump wants to unite the country and Make America Great Again, and he may be able to do just that.

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No need to repeat - you don't have much to say that's interesting and you clearly don't bother to read what others say. I acknowledged that the rules are what they are - but when one party wins the popular vote six out of the last seven presidential elections and routinely outpolls the other party in house races by a million + votes in aggregate, the sentient person at least pauses to consider if maybe the system isn't functioning as it should. At least considers it.

But I won't piss on your day. Create whatever narrative you need to validate your view of yesterday as a watershed moment in American politics. Go ahead - Make America Hate Again!

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Losing so badly that she'll win the national vote. This wasn't a huge win - don't kid yourself. The electoral college is what it is and those were the rules of the game going in, but when you can add up ten states with a combined population of 23 million and get 55 electoral votes, the same number as California gets with 39 million people - that isn't exactly a representative democracy.


Boy, those grapes sure must be sour!

I'll repeat what I explained to Dolomiti:


The Democrat winning the popular vote (by a minute fraction) is irrelevant for present purposes since everyone campaigned under the rules of the Electoral College. Had the winner been determined by popular vote, both parties would have campaigned very differently. We don't know what the result would have been in such a circumstance.

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Al Gore won the popular vote like Hillary might, yet didn't win the election. Not a new concept.


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No need to repeat - you don't have much to say that's interesting and you clearly don't bother to read what others say. I acknowledged that the rules are what they are - but when one party wins the popular vote six out of the last seven presidential elections and routinely outpolls the other party in house races by a million + votes in aggregate, the sentient person at least pauses to consider if maybe the system isn't functioning as it should. At least considers it.

But I won't piss on your day. Create whatever narrative you need to validate your view of yesterday as a watershed moment in American politics. Go ahead - Make America Hate Again!

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Losing so badly that she'll win the national vote. This wasn't a huge win - don't kid yourself. The electoral college is what it is and those were the rules of the game going in, but when you can add up ten states with a combined population of 23 million and get 55 electoral votes, the same number as California gets with 39 million people - that isn't exactly a representative democracy.


Boy, those grapes sure must be sour!

I'll repeat what I explained to Dolomiti:


The Democrat winning the popular vote (by a minute fraction) is irrelevant for present purposes since everyone campaigned under the rules of the Electoral College. Had the winner been determined by popular vote, both parties would have campaigned very differently. We don't know what the result would have been in such a circumstance.

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What part of America and Great do you not agree with?

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Losing so badly that she'll win the national vote. This wasn't a huge win - don't kid yourself. The electoral college is what it is and those were the rules of the game going in, but when you can add up ten states with a combined population of 23 million and get 55 electoral votes, the same number as California gets with 39 million people - that isn't exactly a representative democracy.


Boy, those grapes sure must be sour!

I'll repeat what I explained to Dolomiti:

The Democrat winning the popular vote (by a minute fraction) is irrelevant for present purposes since everyone campaigned under the rules of the Electoral College. Had the winner been determined by popular vote, both parties would have campaigned very differently. We don't know what the result would have been in such a circumstance.

And ending up with more than 300 Electoral College votes and control of all branches of the government is a landslide victory and a HUGE win - don't kid yourself.

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Dolomiti:

1. You are right about the Republican leaders, as I've already said multiple times. The crucial fact you ignore is that the RNC accepted the will of their voters and allowed Trump - who they hated - to be their nominee.

They didn't pull shenanigans like the DNC did and use their many contacts in the mass media to marginalize Bernie from the very beginning. They didn't set up an undemocratic system of "super delegates" to put their thumb on the scale for Hillary since Day 1, making her falsely appear to be far more electable.

They could have pulled some real BS at the convention to deprive Trump of the nomination (which some in the media were urging) but they did not.

Simply put, the DNC rigged the primaries against Sanders and this was a large part of their undoing.

2. The Democrat winning the popular vote (by a minute fraction) is irrelevant for present purposes since everyone campaigned under the rules of the Electoral College. Had the winner been determined by popular vote, both parties would have campaigned very differently. We don't know what the result would have been in such a circumstance.

3. You seem to think I like the RNC. I don't. I just give them credit for surmounting a very low bar: respecting the will of the voters.

4. It is regrettable you are one of the partisan shills who can't see how Trump is his own man. I'm thrilled that he won because it's basically like electing a third party candidate as President.

Do you know who one of his strongest lobbies is? The NRA.

How does he treat the NRA? Not by cravenly adopting all of their positions. Instead he continues to speak his mind. Case in point was his statement at one of the debates that he agreed that people on the terrorist watch list should not be able to purchase guns.

This position is STRONGLY in conflict with the NRA. Im sure they were incensed when he said that. Personally I don't agree with it (I agree with the NRA) but this is just another example of how Trump is his own man.

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So.... the real question is which first lady is hotter?

Jackie Kennedy or Melania Trump?

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Losing so badly that she'll win the national vote. This wasn't a huge win - don't kid yourself. The electoral college is what it is and those were the rules of the game going in, but when you can add up ten states with a combined population of 23 million and get 55 electoral votes, the same number as California gets with 39 million people - that isn't exactly a representative democracy.

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You didn't "fix" anything. Both words could be appropriately used there.

But if that's all you took from the post, enjoy losing future elections as badly as this one.

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The basic function of a political party is to serve the will of its voters.

Not to use cheating, manipulation, and shady tactics to ensure the will of a handful of party "elites"...

... Anyone who thinks that will magically stop on inauguration day is in for quite a shock.


These are a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging an obvious, simple truth: the RNC did not allow the personal opinions of its leaders to interfere with the will of its voters. The DNC did, by rigging the primary against Sanders.

This is inherently undemocratic and a big part of the reason why the Dems were handed a monumentalmomentous defeat. RNC emails that would show they hated Trump only makes my point stronger. You clearly are an intelligent man so I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse over this simple point.

Also, say what you will about Trump, but everyone except for partisan shills recognizes that he's his own man. He's not beholden to special interests or anyone, vastly unlike Hillary. And you are wrong to suggest he is "one of them." His entire life he's been shunned by them; he's a true outsider.

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Fixed it for you

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The basic function of a political party is to serve the will of its voters.

Not to use cheating, manipulation, and shady tactics to ensure the will of a handful of party "elites"...

... Anyone who thinks that will magically stop on inauguration day is in for quite a shock.


These are a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging an obvious, simple truth: the RNC did not allow the personal opinions of its leaders to interfere with the will of its voters. The DNC did, by rigging the primary against Sanders.

This is inherently undemocratic and a big part of the reason why the Dems were handed a monumentalmomentous defeat. RNC emails that would show they hated Trump only makes my point stronger. You clearly are an intelligent man so I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse over this simple point.

Also, say what you will about Trump, but everyone except for partisan shills recognizes that he's his own man. He's not beholden to special interests or anyone, vastly unlike Hillary. And you are wrong to suggest he is "one of them." His entire life he's been shunned by them; he's a true outsider.

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These are a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging an obvious, simple truth: the RNC did not allow the personal opinions of its leaders to interfere with the will of its voters.

You're performing very few mental gymnastics to ignore that the vast majority of Republican leaders did exactly that, including refusing to support him, revoking support, not campaigning with him, not providing funding, and the RNC doing the absolute minimum.

I.e. It sure looks like they did as little as possible to help him, without utterly destroying their own party with a direct rejection. It was not a show of integrity, it was a craven decision as a direct result of their purpose -- maintaining political power for their party.


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This is inherently undemocratic....

lol

For the second time in recent memory, a Democrat won the popular vote, and lost the electoral college. In this case, the Democrat lost to a candidate who has been screeching for months that the election is "rigged," yet is awfully silent about that since he won. Democracy, indeed....


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RNC emails that would show they hated Trump only makes my point stronger. You clearly are an intelligent man so I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse over this simple point.

You've GOT to be kidding. DNC staffers supporting Hillary were undemocratic and cost her the election, but if the RNC did the same for Trump's opponents then that's a sign of a healthy democratic system and organization integrity? Ludicrous.


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He's not beholden to special interests or anyone, vastly unlike Hillary.

Right, it's not like he's borrowed millions from Wall Street banks for decades, or done business with Chinese companies and Saudi royalty, or has business contracts with wealthy real estate owners and contractors. Yes, we can know this for certain because of his long history in public service. Oh, wait....

And of course, we know a few of Trump's donors in this election cycle:

Renaissance Technology: $15 million
GH Palmer: $2 million
Marcus Foundation: $2 million
Hawaiian Gardens Casino: $1 million

And that's just the ones publicly disclosed, as there is tons of dark money sloshing around.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864

Surely you cannot be naive enough to think Renaissance donated $15m to Trump alone, out of the goodness of their quantitative hearts?

And is he his "own man" if he advocates for tax breaks that benefit people of his own income level, and casinos, and real estate magnates?

Oh, wait, I know what the answer will be. Heeding big donors and setting up tax cuts for his own businesses is just "good business." Well, at least when Trump does it.


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And you are wrong to suggest he is "one of them." His entire life he's been shunned by them; he's a true outsider.

Good grief, what a steaming pile. He was born into wealth, he was raised in wealth, he attended elite colleges, he's been rubbing shoulders with the elites (including signing business deals and donating to politicians from both parties) for decades.

This myth that he's a "man of the people" is sheer nonsense. I really don't know why anyone falls for it.

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surprised to see so many trump supporters on jclist! yikes

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It has become a reflexive pledge, often half-joking, after an election: Worried about the next president? Move to another country.

After the news of Donald J. Trump?s victory in the presidential election was confirmed early Wednesday, many Americans apparently considered doing just that.

One likely destination was north. Late at night, Canada?s citizenship and immigration website crashed as it was flooded with interest.



Could have been looking for free phones and state sponsored single payer healthcare with euthanasia options.

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The process to how to migrate to New Zealand or Australia starts next Monday


They don't take losers.


Not so fast - My skills and qualifications are on the 'shortage list' in New Zealand and Australia for fast track migration and with the dollar exchange, I'll be sitting pretty. I'm looking forward to process as I had made general inquiries a few years back - I like the idea of no snow as I get older and the building industry in both countries are doing very well.

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It has become a reflexive pledge, often half-joking, after an election: Worried about the next president? Move to another country.

After the news of Donald J. Trump?s victory in the presidential election was confirmed early Wednesday, many Americans apparently considered doing just that.

One likely destination was north. Late at night, Canada?s citizenship and immigration website crashed as it was flooded with interest.

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The basic function of a political party is to serve the will of its voters.

Not to use cheating, manipulation, and shady tactics to ensure the will of a handful of party "elites" (and their donors) is paramount, and the stupid voters will come in line eventually.

Republicans understood this. Democrats did not. The entirely undemocratic way the Democratic Party is run is a big factor in causing their loss.

Please.

The Republican political class is just as elite as the Democratic political class. That's one reason why so much of it fought Trump right down to the wire. Even today, they are hoping that he will be a sane human being, despite abundant evidence that will not be the case.

The Republican elite has spent decades catering to their wealthy donors and corporations, often at the expense of those who voted for Trump.

And while this was a notable electoral college victory, the popular vote was very close, with Clinton actually winning. A few thousand votes in a few swing states would have produced a Clinton presidency. This is not a resounding mandate for Trump's policies (whatever they are).

Trump rode a wave of anti-government, anti-minority, nativist populism that he barely understands, against a skilled but flawed candidate. The result is that we've elected a mendacious authoritarian to the Presidency, who is highly likely to terminate health insurance for millions (while premiums and drug costs continue to skyrocket), sent deficits into the stratosphere, hire cronies to inefficiently run federal agencies, drive the economy and the US's reputation into a ditch, and destroy the Republican Party while he's at it.

Meanwhile, the evangelicals who held their nose in the hope he will outlaw abortion will be deeply disappointed, as even the most conservative SCOTUS won't overturn Roe / Hellerstedt any time soon.

Is that what his voters want? How fascinating.


Oh please yourself. You didn't post anything of substance....




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And if you were paying attention you'd see I referred to the entity of a political party, not their leaders. Meaning the DNC and the RNC.

Riiiiiight

Of course, that doesn't change jack. The RNC has spent decades sucking up to, and doing the will, of corporate entities, political elites, and wealthy donors for decades. At first they tried to assimilate the Tea Party, then they attacked it viciously. They have pushed for lower taxes for the wealthy, free trade, and keeping power in Washington.

The RNC raised and spent $400 million for the 2012 cycle. Wanna guess who we know donated to them?

Goldman Sachs: $1.2 mil
KKR (private equity firm) $822k
Bain $700k
Blackstone $670k

Ellliot Management, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Las Vegas Sands, Bank of America.... the list goes on.
https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cmte=RNC

Oddly enough, the RNC only collected $87 million this year... and most of it was spent on the down ballot. Which they were terrified they were going to lose.


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While it's certainly true that the Republican leadership is just as "elite" as the Democrats, the RNC decided not to interfere with the will of their voters.

I know it's a bit late, but wake up. The RNC did the absolute bare minimum to support Trump. They spent almost nothing on him, they did almost no ground work for him, they didn't browbeat other Republicans into supporting him.

And I'm sure if we saw a rash of RNC emails, all of them would be pro-Trump.... lol


And yet again, it's highly unlikely that Trump is going to screw the corporate donor class that supports the Republican party. Not only is he one of them, and not only are Congressional Republicans still in thrall to their donors: He spent the entire election flipping on positions, reversing himself on a regular basis, and blatantly lying about pretty much everything, and getting away with it. Anyone who thinks that will magically stop on inauguration day is in for quite a shock.


These are a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid acknowledging an obvious, simple truth: the RNC did not allow the personal opinions of its leaders to interfere with the will of its voters. The DNC did, by rigging the primary against Sanders.

This is inherently undemocratic and a big part of the reason why the Dems were handed a monumental defeat. RNC emails that would show they hated Trump only makes my point stronger. You clearly are an intelligent man so I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse over this simple point.

Also, say what you will about Trump, but everyone except for partisan shills recognizes that he's his own man. He's not beholden to special interests or anyone, vastly unlike Hillary. And you are wrong to suggest he is "one of them." His entire life he's been shunned by them; he's a true outsider.

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The basic function of a political party is to serve the will of its voters.

Not to use cheating, manipulation, and shady tactics to ensure the will of a handful of party "elites" (and their donors) is paramount, and the stupid voters will come in line eventually.

Republicans understood this. Democrats did not. The entirely undemocratic way the Democratic Party is run is a big factor in causing their loss.

Please.

The Republican political class is just as elite as the Democratic political class. That's one reason why so much of it fought Trump right down to the wire. Even today, they are hoping that he will be a sane human being, despite abundant evidence that will not be the case.

The Republican elite has spent decades catering to their wealthy donors and corporations, often at the expense of those who voted for Trump.

And while this was a notable electoral college victory, the popular vote was very close, with Clinton actually winning. A few thousand votes in a few swing states would have produced a Clinton presidency. This is not a resounding mandate for Trump's policies (whatever they are).

Trump rode a wave of anti-government, anti-minority, nativist populism that he barely understands, against a skilled but flawed candidate. The result is that we've elected a mendacious authoritarian to the Presidency, who is highly likely to terminate health insurance for millions (while premiums and drug costs continue to skyrocket), sent deficits into the stratosphere, hire cronies to inefficiently run federal agencies, drive the economy and the US's reputation into a ditch, and destroy the Republican Party while he's at it.

Meanwhile, the evangelicals who held their nose in the hope he will outlaw abortion will be deeply disappointed, as even the most conservative SCOTUS won't overturn Roe / Hellerstedt any time soon.

Is that what his voters want? How fascinating.


Oh please yourself. You didn't post anything of substance....




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And if you were paying attention you'd see I referred to the entity of a political party, not their leaders. Meaning the DNC and the RNC.

Riiiiiight

Of course, that doesn't change jack. The RNC has spent decades sucking up to, and doing the will, of corporate entities, political elites, and wealthy donors for decades. At first they tried to assimilate the Tea Party, then they attacked it viciously. They have pushed for lower taxes for the wealthy, free trade, and keeping power in Washington.

The RNC raised and spent $400 million for the 2012 cycle. Wanna guess who we know donated to them?

Goldman Sachs: $1.2 mil
KKR (private equity firm) $822k
Bain $700k
Blackstone $670k

Ellliot Management, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Las Vegas Sands, Bank of America.... the list goes on.
https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cmte=RNC

Oddly enough, the RNC only collected $87 million this year... and most of it was spent on the down ballot. Which they were terrified they were going to lose.


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While it's certainly true that the Republican leadership is just as "elite" as the Democrats, the RNC decided not to interfere with the will of their voters.

I know it's a bit late, but wake up. The RNC did the absolute bare minimum to support Trump. They spent almost nothing on him, they did almost no ground work for him, they didn't browbeat other Republicans into supporting him.

And I'm sure if we saw a rash of RNC emails, all of them would be pro-Trump.... lol


And yet again, it's highly unlikely that Trump is going to screw the corporate donor class that supports the Republican party. Not only is he one of them, and not only are Congressional Republicans still in thrall to their donors: He spent the entire election flipping on positions, reversing himself on a regular basis, and blatantly lying about pretty much everything, and getting away with it. Anyone who thinks that will magically stop on inauguration day is in for quite a shock.

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#draintheswamp? #burnitdown? Hardly. Of the 392 house members running for re-election, only 8 seats flipped to the other party. One senate seat (maybe 2, depending on the NH outcome.) That's 10 out of 426 - Washington is "the swamp" and nothing is more disliked than congress, yet nothing changed.

Last night was a repudiation of HRC (and Bill) and to a much lesser extent, the President. I was grateful not to have to vote for her, given my confidence that Trump wouldn't win NJ. Clinton was a historically bad candidate and I truly believe any other Democrat would have won last night, including Sanders - although she will still end up winning the popular vote. Trump would not have won PA, MI or probably WI against virtually anyone else.

This really is no mass uprising or a mandate or anything of the sort - it is just another example of how deeply divided the country is.


Correct. Any complaining or finger pointing has to be at the process that nominated her

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#draintheswamp? #burnitdown? Hardly. Of the 392 house members running for re-election, only 8 seats flipped to the other party. One senate seat (maybe 2, depending on the NH outcome.) That's 10 out of 426 - Washington is "the swamp" and nothing is more disliked than congress, yet nothing changed.

Last night was a repudiation of HRC (and Bill) and to a much lesser extent, the President. I was grateful not to have to vote for her, given my confidence that Trump wouldn't win NJ. Clinton was a historically bad candidate and I truly believe any other Democrat would have won last night, including Sanders - although she will still end up winning the popular vote. Trump would not have won PA, MI or probably WI against virtually anyone else.

This really is no mass uprising or a mandate or anything of the sort - it is just another example of how deeply divided the country is.

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definitely a historical upset.

dems so massively miscalculated their base. If it was bernie instead vs trump, most likely bernie will win. Since they both represent the same base for those swing voters in the middle. But faced with a choice of hillary vs trump, and 8 years of obama fatigue. The middle has no choice but to capitulate to trump.

he will either be a great president that actually get things done, or one of the worst president in history. There is no middle ground for trump.

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