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What an amazing thread. The dog argument can be used for just about anything. I think it also allows for a certain level of intelligence to be revealed. Given that, one of my dogs is dumb as a box of rocks. However, he shows far more intelligence while cleaning his junk than I've ever seen Yvonne demonstrate while typing.


Since I put the safety of babies and the elderly first, I considered your comment a compliment. Dangerous dog breeds should be outlawed, human safety comes first. This is probably the only good thing Montreal has done. There is no First Amendment guaranteed.

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What an amazing thread. The dog argument can be used for just about anything. I think it also allows for a certain level of intelligence to be revealed. Given that, one of my dogs is dumb as a box of rocks. However, he shows far more intelligence while cleaning his junk than I've ever seen Yvonne demonstrate while typing.

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This is by no means a pit bull specific point. Any large, strong dog can kill a person, let alone a child. If any one of a large number of large breeds created are abused they absolutely can rip someone's face off.
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Rotties, mastiffs and doberman bites are way more dangerous than a pit.

http://www.petcomments.com/what-dog-has-the-strongest-bite/

BSL targets the dog, not their irresponsible owners. The only regulation that makes sense - is to force dog owners to carry liability insurance. That would help weed out the bad owners, and provide a true measure of risk.


I like this idea

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Sorry, I don't think children and old people should be a statistical in the deaths by dog bites. Certain breeds are more violent and their bites are more deadly. Pit bulls should be outlaw.
Here is an article where a pit bull kills a 3 day old baby.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/po ... y/?utm_term=.6ef00bf3626b

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Granted there are dog lovers here. But pit bull do kill. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php


A) Google the site for background on this one. The owner has an agenda.

B) Of course they kill. So do lawnmowers, cigarettes, junk food, cars, bikes, skiis (yes, people die every year on ski hills), alcohol, I could go on and on. And so do a bunch of other dog breeds. My basic q is - so what?

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This is by no means a pit bull specific point. Any large, strong dog can kill a person, let alone a child. If any one of a large number of large breeds created are abused they absolutely can rip someone's face off.
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Rotties, mastiffs and doberman bites are way more dangerous than a pit.

http://www.petcomments.com/what-dog-has-the-strongest-bite/

BSL targets the dog, not their irresponsible owners. The only regulation that makes sense - is to force dog owners to carry liability insurance. That would help weed out the bad owners, and provide a true measure of risk.

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Cars kill people, too. Way more than pit bulls actually. Ban cars.


Yeah, dog related deaths are like deaths related to lawnmower accidents - they happen every year, but they're incredibly rare. When I say rare, I mean deaths due to lightening strikes are several orders of magnitude greater. Cars, on the other hand, are one of the most common causes of death.

As much as I hate nanny state BS, we would get much more "lives saved" by banning various sugary drinks that are terrible for people to reduce heart attacks/strokes than banning particular dog breeds. Of course, in reality all of these efforts are an attempt to "Disneyfy" modern life and basically eliminate any danger from living, when in reality this is a futile pursuit.

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You must not have visited any shelters in Hudson county. They are all over run with pitbull mix's. Most are very loving.




And why do you think they are overrun with Pits ?

It's a shame to end a life and horrible to generalize about one specific breed, but statistics are quite factual about this type of dog.

Guess you have never seen one maul someones kid or pet in public - it would change your opinion real quick.





Maybe because the same inner city trash that raises them to be mean also isn't responsible about dog ownership generally? You really should read about the statistics before you make these comments. Point is, they could train any number of breeds to do exactly the same thing. The dog just has to be large, strong and trainable.


au contraire mon frère, many who think their loving companion could never be capable of ripping a child's face off - find out the hard way.

sort of like a terrier digging holes in the park because of it's genetically predisposition to do so.





This is by no means a pit bull specific point. Any large, strong dog can kill a person, let alone a child. If any one of a large number of large breeds created are abused they absolutely can rip someone's face off.

Pit bulls end up in the news exactly because a) there are so many of them, and b) they're that much more likely to be abused. Walk in any ghetto and look around - most dogs are pit bulls. You seem them walked on chains, sometimes with scars all over them. The fact that people get mauled considering that isn't surprising. What is surprising is that it doesn't happen more often considering that this is one of the most popular breeds.

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You are one of the people who put dogs above people.


i do like my dog better than some people, that is true. but mostly, i don't like it when people say

All cops,
ALL muslims,
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and yes, all (whatever- dogs, welfare recipients, etc.)

there are great dogs of all colors, etc. and dangerous/agressive dogs as well. and when i volunteered at liberty humane i did recommend some dogs were put down.

i just try to take every person/dog/whatever on a case by case basis. and yeah, it's none of my business to argue in an online forum. so i do apologize if i offended you. just think with a little more compassion and a little less generalization we could all do a lot better. we all have our opinion. that's okay. that's why it's cool we live in this country. i'm not gonna reply in this thread any more. i hope you have a great day, yvonne.

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Cars kill people, too. Way more than pit bulls actually. Ban cars.

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Granted there are dog lovers here. But pit bull do kill. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php


you're right, yvonne. they do. and women kill too. i say we get rid of all the women in jersey city just to be safe. want me to help you pack? i've got some extra boxes.


You are one of the people who put dogs above people. Here are some facts: In the 11-year period of 2005 through 2015, canines killed 360 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 64% (232) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths.

Like all hunting animals, they normally go after children and the elderly. I am one of the people who put people first over dogs.

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Granted there are dog lovers here. But pit bull do kill. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php


you're right, yvonne. they do. and women kill too. i say we get rid of all the women in jersey city just to be safe. want me to help you pack? i've got some extra boxes.

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Granted there are dog lovers here. But pit bull do kill. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php

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Actually, the ban on pit bulls is discriminatory and without merit. More dog bites despite pitbull ban:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2527882/tor ... more-dog-bites-than-ever/



Not all dog bites were created equal, not too difficult to understand.


Very true!

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Actually, the ban on pit bulls is discriminatory and without merit. More dog bites despite pitbull ban:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2527882/tor ... more-dog-bites-than-ever/



Not all dog bites were created equal, not too difficult to understand.

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I am surprise Montreal took so long with this, there are other towns in Canada with this law. I read about them when I visited Montreal about ten years ago.

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hey there's another active thread right now about this person. should we arrest all the people who look like this person? i'm all for a safe jersey city. what do you guys think?

Arrestee #1: Shaquil Huggins Age 24 Jersey City NJ

Charges: Attempted Murder, Hindering Apprehension, Possession of a Weapon (Community Gun), Unlawful Possession of a Weapon, Possession of a Weapon for Unlawful Purpose and Certain Persons not to Possess a Weapon.

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Actually, the ban on pit bulls is discriminatory and without merit.


My building hazard insurance informed me to not allow Pits and certain other breeds of dogs (German Shepard, Rottie, Doberman) . They paid out too many lawsuit claims regarding these particular dog breeds.

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Actually, the ban on pit bulls is discriminatory and without merit. More dog bites despite pitbull ban:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2527882/tor ... more-dog-bites-than-ever/


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Current pit bull owners have to obtain a permit to keep their pets by the end of the year

A Canadian city has banned residents from owning new pit bulls after a woman was killed in a brutal dog attack earlier this year.

Montreal’s City Council on Tuesday voted to make it illegal for anyone to adopt or acquire a new pit bull or pit bull-mixed breed dogs following the deadly mauling of a 55-year-old Montreal woman four months ago, CBC reports.

The new ban goes into effect on Oct. 3 and forces residents who currently own pit bulls to obtain a permit to keep their pets by the end of the year. Pit bulls considered illegally owned will face euthanasia, according to the Washington Post.

The controversial ban has been met with anger among animal activists. It prompted the Montreal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals on Wednesday to file a lawsuit against the city to nullify the new legislation.

http://time.com/4514044/pit-bull-ban-canada-montreal/


about time! we need that here.

I dont think all pitbulls are vicious attack dogs, majority are loving domesticated animals.

But they are one of the very few breeds of dogs that are kept by average joe that has the potential to cause lethal damage to other dogs and humans when not probably taken care of by their owners.

At the end of the day, it's not the dog but the owners who keep them i dont trust, because a large percentage of the human population are stupid and selfish that could careless about anything. Unfortunately the only solution then is to target those dogs.

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And why do you think they are overrun with Pits ?

It's a shame to end a life and horrible to generalize about one specific breed, but statistics are quite factual about this type of dog.

Guess you have never seen one maul someones kid or pet in public - it would change your opinion real quick.





Maybe because the same inner city trash that raises them to be mean also isn't responsible about dog ownership generally? You really should read about the statistics before you make these comments. Point is, they could train any number of breeds to do exactly the same thing. The dog just has to be large, strong and trainable.


au contraire mon frère, many who think their loving companion could never be capable of ripping a child's face off - find out the hard way.

sort of like a terrier digging holes in the park because of it's genetically predisposition to do so.




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You must not have visited any shelters in Hudson county. They are all over run with pitbull mix's. Most are very loving.




And why do you think they are overrun with Pits ?

It's a shame to end a life and horrible to generalize about one specific breed, but statistics are quite factual about this type of dog.

Guess you have never seen one maul someones kid or pet in public - it would change your opinion real quick.





Maybe because the same inner city trash that raises them to be mean also isn't responsible about dog ownership generally? You really should read about the statistics before you make these comments. Point is, they could train any number of breeds to do exactly the same thing. The dog just has to be large, strong and trainable.

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And why do you think they are overrun with Pits ?

It's a shame to end a life and horrible to generalize about one specific breed, but statistics are quite factual about this type of dog.

Guess you have never seen one maul someones kid or pet in public - it would change your opinion real quick.




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I think half the dogs I see being walked by the volunteers (God bless them) at Liberty Humane are pits or pit mixes.


I would put it at like 80% or more. And that's fine - pit bulls can be perfectly fine dogs. It is really a certain group of owners that get them in order to make them the exact sort of dogs that kill people that are the problem.

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Good, shit dogs that are time bombs and have no purpose as pets.

Get a loving mutt from the shelter and leave the pit bulls in the crack dens.






You must not have visited any shelters in Hudson county. They are all over run with pitbull mix's. Most are very loving.

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I think half the dogs I see being walked by the volunteers (God bless them) at Liberty Humane are pits or pit mixes.

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Good, shit dogs that are time bombs and have no purpose as pets.

Get a loving mutt from the shelter and leave the pit bulls in the crack dens.




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Four pit bulls were recently put down in Maplewood, after three of them attacked two woman walking by the house they lived in.

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Canadian City Bans New Pit Bull Ownership After Deadly Mauling

Time Magazine
9/29/2016

Current pit bull owners have to obtain a permit to keep their pets by the end of the year

A Canadian city has banned residents from owning new pit bulls after a woman was killed in a brutal dog attack earlier this year.

Montreal’s City Council on Tuesday voted to make it illegal for anyone to adopt or acquire a new pit bull or pit bull-mixed breed dogs following the deadly mauling of a 55-year-old Montreal woman four months ago, CBC reports.

The new ban goes into effect on Oct. 3 and forces residents who currently own pit bulls to obtain a permit to keep their pets by the end of the year. Pit bulls considered illegally owned will face euthanasia, according to the Washington Post.

The controversial ban has been met with anger among animal activists. It prompted the Montreal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals on Wednesday to file a lawsuit against the city to nullify the new legislation.

http://time.com/4514044/pit-bull-ban-canada-montreal/

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