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The heights needs more lightrail stations, most people who want urban living want trains.. not buses.

Crime can be easlily moved to another neighborhood...Crime was saturated once upon a time dtjc but then got pushed up the hill but a lightrail station that you can walk to, is not so easy to come by.

A veterinarian from Hoboken just moved on Van Nostrand and Ocean. I asked her why Greenville and not The Heights, her reply more space for my money and I can walk to the rail.

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Does this mean we'll see yet another neighborhood take off before the Heights?

Last I checked, the average block near the Danforth stop is structurally/architecturally more appealing than the average block in the Heights.

Do any of the property owners here see this as a signal to start scooping up some buy and holds?
i wish for the best for all of JC and i agree that the houses near the danforth stop might be more aesthetically appealing, i think the Heights will benefit from hoboken spill-over, proximity to light rail, quick access to 42nd street in manhattan and less rampant criminality. additionally, bayonne is an actual/potential competitor to the area around danforth imo

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Does this mean we'll see yet another neighborhood take off before the Heights?

Last I checked, the average block near the Danforth stop is structurally/architecturally more appealing than the average block in the Heights.

Do any of the property owners here see this as a signal to start scooping up some buy and holds?

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Over the past couple of late nights, I have been seeing Jersey City police officers walking the beat and posted on many hot-spots along Ocean Avenue.

Along most of the strip, there was no loitering or criminal activity taking place.

It is great to see Mayor Fulop and the Jersey City Police Department leadership take our public safety concerns seriously.

While posting police officers in hot-spots won't solve the entire problem, it is definitely a step in the right direction. There is no doubt there are many social problems affecting our city, but we need to all work together to improve our quality life in every neighborhood.

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IS IT ANY WONDER?... IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR AFTER ALL & THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS JUST RECENTLY COMMITTED TO 'A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING' IN THE COMING WEEKS 4 EACH WARD.
Hopefully this is not Too Little Too Late.

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Over the past couple of late nights, I have been seeing Jersey City police officers walking the beat and posted on many hot-spots along Ocean Avenue.

Along most of the strip, there was no loitering or criminal activity taking place.

It is great to see Mayor Fulop and the Jersey City Police Department leadership take our public safety concerns seriously.

While posting police officers in hot-spots won't solve the entire problem, it is definitely a step in the right direction. There is no doubt there are many social problems affecting our city, but we need to all work together to improve our quality life in every neighborhood.

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Mayor Steven M. Fulop, Council President Rolando Lavarro, Jr., Ward A Councilman Frank Gajewski, and the South Greenville Neighborhood Association announced that the renaissance of Greenville took another major step forward with the adoption of the Ocean Avenue South Redevelopment Plan to help kick start growth of the commercial district.

The redevelopment plan, which was developed over the past year with major collaboration from the South Greenville Neighborhood Association and other community stakeholders, is part of the Fulop Administration?s commitment to bring investment and new commercial and residential development to previously overlooked neighborhoods.

?This has been an exciting process, as it was really community driven and incorporates sound urban planning with ideas and feedback from the community,? said Mayor Fulop. ?For years, this area has been overlooked, but we see it is a vibrant community rich with opportunity and potential for further growth. We promised to bring the development and investment to all neighborhoods of the city and that is exactly what we are doing.?

In partnership with the City Council and the community, the administration?s redevelopment plan for Ocean Avenue South will spur redevelopment in the southern end of the city, expanding the Jersey City renaissance to Greenville. The concept is to allow greater density around transit, implement zoning for new, mixed-use residential development, and to rebuild Ocean Avenue as a thriving commercial district.

Some of the highlights of the redevelopment plan include re-establishing Ocean Avenue South as a neighborhood commercial corridor and neighborhood destination; establishing a Special Improvement District (SID) to assist business owners and maintain the commercial corridor; improving access to rail and ferry services; making sustainability and smart growth a theme of future development and redevelopment that guides land use and transportation decisions; making walking and biking an easy, safe, desirable, and convenient mode of transport; and encouraging unique local quality retail sales and services that promote community character and distinctiveness.

The Ocean Avenue South Study Area contains 21 acres and 115 individual lots. While it mostly consists of three-story mixed-use buildings, it also includes one- and two-family homes, senior housing, light industrial, places of worship, and low-rise apartments. With the Danforth Avenue Light Rail Station and the NJ Transit Bus Terminal at Gates Avenue, the Ocean Avenue South area is a perfect location for encouraging transit-oriented development and has many unique features that make it a viable candidate for a return to commercial and mixed use zoning.

Read more: Hudson Reporter - JERSEY CITY BRIEFS

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Earl Morgan | For The Jersey Journal

Last week the City Council in Jersey City kicked around the idea in a proposed redevelopment plan for the southern end of Greenville that would prohibit bars from opening on Ocean Avenue between Cator Avenue and Merritt Street.

That puzzled Ward F Councilwoman Diane Coleman and several of her city council colleagues. What would be so wrong with, let's say, a sports bar where food is also served?

The council members chewed over the matter for a bit, and eventually approved a version of the plan that ban bars that aren't in restaurants.

After all, what would the revitalization of the city's Downtown be without all the bistros, restaurants, sports bars that sprang up, especially since many of the liquor licenses now there were originally held by bars and nightclubs in Wards F and A.

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Pretty ironic comment coming from a guy who can barely write coherent messages and who consistently displays a tenuous grasp of proper English syntax, grammar and spelling.


Ha!!! you beat me to it, even the dudes on the corner spell better than that.

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well, i hope those veterans have decent jobs and are literate,


Pretty ironic comment coming from a guy who can barely write coherent messages and who consistently displays a tenuous grasp of proper English syntax, grammar and spelling.

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i have seen many veterans who are useless and are prone to violence.


Really? How many veterans have you seen or met? Have you ever stopped to think why a homeless veteran is "useless" or "prone to violence"? Could it be that perhaps that person is psychologically unstable, or needs professional help?? We send our enlisted troops to bases and war fronts overseas and expect them to do the dirty work of defending the nation, but then don't want to deal with the repercussions. I sometimes wish the US would change its military to be like Switzerland, where service is compulsory for all males. Perhaps then people would be more in touch with that aspect of our nation and more thoughtful about the issues and challenges involved.

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well, i hope those veterans have decent jobs and are literate, numerate becuase i have seen many veterans who are useless and are prone to violence.

ocean avenue needs more educated, working families who send their children to school and don't let them hang out on the streets. honestly, i also think the area needs much more diversity.

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Props to Fulop for the planned veterans housing on Ocean. More props if he can get permission for the veterans to pack and carry in the neighborhood to keep people safe!

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sadly, nothing is gonna change ocean avenue until they get rid of all the trouble makers and improve transportation

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A Greenville renaissance?

by Al Sullivan

After a review by the Jersey City Planning Board, the Jersey City City Council is expected to get their chance to review zoning changes that will hopefully spur new development and restoration of the Greenville business district. The council was expected to introduce the ordinance on Tuesday night.

Earlier this month, Mayor Steven M. Fulop, Council President Rolando Lavarro, Jr., Ward A Councilman Frank Gajewski, and the South Greenville Neighborhood Association announced the plan to begin the renaissance of Greenville.

Although originally proposed last March, the plan was presented to the Planning Board on Nov. 10. It calls for the redevelopment of Ocean Avenue South, one of the few commercial districts in that part of the city.

The ?Ocean Avenue South Redevelopment Plan? is part of the Fulop Administration?s goal to expand investment and development to previously overlooked neighborhoods. The zoning changes would allow for new commercial and residential development in an effort to restore the area.

?As Jersey City continues to boom, we?re making sure that every neighborhood will get to enjoy its economic growth, especially Greenville,? said Mayor Fulop. ?We intend for this to be an economic boom broadly-shared and that is what this redevelopment plan will help us do for the residents and business-owners of Ocean Avenue.?

The concept is to allow greater density around transit, implement zoning for new, mixed-use residential development, and to rebuild Ocean Avenue as a vibrant commercial district.

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In recent years, Jersey City has experienced renewed population growth and an expanding economy, bringing new life to Jersey City?s neighborhood commercial streets. The Greenville section was historically populated, even prior to the arrival of the automobile. Families tended to be large, but lived within walking distance of the commercial districts and jobs. For decades, Ocean Avenue supported a relatively strong business district.

When people became more mobile, they tended to drive to more distant shopping districts. Many moved out of the area entirely to seek a greener way of life in the suburbs. By the 1970s, Ocean Avenue went into a deep decline.

Read more: Hudson Reporter - A Greenville renaissance City unveils redevelopment plan for Ocean Avenue South


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I agree, but this also has to do with making your voice heard. The council needs to be lobbied more heavily in order to make these changes happen more expeditiously.


Yes. Bike JC, the nonprofit of which I'm a board member, pushes for these things for the whole city.

But there's no substitute for individual people making their voices heard, particularly about the individual neighborhoods where you live, work, shop, play ...

Call or email your City Council member and the mayor's office. Go to a City Council meeting and sign up to speak for 5 minutes, and let them know how you feel. I have.

Too often the neighborhood voices that are loudest are those that fear change. Maybe that's understandable. But when those changes are positive, supporters have to make themselves heard too.


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Yup. Bike and walk stuff is dirt cheap, yet we throw buckets of money to pander to the passenger car. Even if it weren't dirty and dangerous, that would be stupid. Low-cost, low-key, small-scale transport opens up local economic opportunity, bringing people to jobs and customers to local shops.

I agree, but this also has to do with making your voice heard. The council needs to be lobbied more heavily in order to make these changes happen more expeditiously.

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Yup. Bike and walk stuff is dirt cheap, yet we throw buckets of money to pander to the passenger car. Even if it weren't dirty and dangerous, that would be stupid. Low-cost, low-key, small-scale transport opens up local economic opportunity, bringing people to jobs and customers to local shops.


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Tell your community and elected leaders that, before the area rebounds and becomes busier, you want the physical improvements that will keep it livable and make it safer when it does grow: bike lanes (protected ones if possible), great crosswalks and corner curb bumpouts for pedestrians, speed humps to reduce speeding, etc.

Take this rebuilding opportunity to make Ocean a Complete Street for its bright future.


People like you are why it costs $100 million dollars for 1 mile of tunnel. Why don't we make it a solar roadway as well, and paint the lines in gold?

"Oh my god, one dumb kid died 30 years ago, now everyone has to suffer and pay 10 times more than things should cost so his parents feel like his death meant something!"


Potstir - get out of your Paulus Hook bubble-wrap and go visit the rest of JC. Infrastructure is key to city-wide development - and introducing a biking culture is probably the most cost-effective way of doing that.

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Tell your community and elected leaders that, before the area rebounds and becomes busier, you want the physical improvements that will keep it livable and make it safer when it does grow: bike lanes (protected ones if possible), great crosswalks and corner curb bumpouts for pedestrians, speed humps to reduce speeding, etc.

Take this rebuilding opportunity to make Ocean a Complete Street for its bright future.


People like you are why it costs $100 million dollars for 1 mile of tunnel. Why don't we make it a solar roadway as well, and paint the lines in gold?

"Oh my god, one dumb kid died 30 years ago, now everyone has to suffer and pay 10 times more than things should cost so his parents feel like his death meant something!"


Although not directly on Ocean, an 8 year old boy was killed by a car this summer on Bostwick ave right off Ocean you FUCKING piece of shit garbage person. You are a thoughtless asshole.

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Tell your community and elected leaders that, before the area rebounds and becomes busier, you want the physical improvements that will keep it livable and make it safer when it does grow: bike lanes (protected ones if possible), great crosswalks and corner curb bumpouts for pedestrians, speed humps to reduce speeding, etc.

Take this rebuilding opportunity to make Ocean a Complete Street for its bright future.


People like you are why it costs $100 million dollars for 1 mile of tunnel. Why don't we make it a solar roadway as well, and paint the lines in gold?

"Oh my god, one dumb kid died 30 years ago, now everyone has to suffer and pay 10 times more than things should cost so his parents feel like his death meant something!"

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Tell your community and elected leaders that, before the area rebounds and becomes busier, you want the physical improvements that will keep it livable and make it safer when it does grow: bike lanes (protected ones if possible), great crosswalks and corner curb bumpouts for pedestrians, speed humps to reduce speeding, etc.

Take this rebuilding opportunity to make Ocean a Complete Street for its bright future.

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I'm not a resident of the area, but a rezoning of Ocean Ave would be a godsend due to the jobs it would bring. Right now there are too many expensive hoops to jump through to open a business because it's considered a residential zone.

Gentrification is a very complex and tricky issue. My thoughts are to encourage and support of all the tall yuppie towers being built downtown. Otherwise, new comers to Jersey City will be forced to look at housing in other areas of the town, which will force long term residents out as landlords chase the higher rents. My theory is the negative aspects of gentrification come from a lack of new and affordable housing. An ample supply of housing, across all income levels, should be the goal in Jersey City.


its actually a commercial zoned area, but the last few administrations tore down blighted buildings that had commercial spaces and built affordable housing. We are now trying to reverse that, and bring back commercial space and no more housing...

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I'm not a resident of the area, but a rezoning of Ocean Ave would be a godsend due to the jobs it would bring. Right now there are too many expensive hoops to jump through to open a business because it's considered a residential zone.

Gentrification is a very complex and tricky issue. My thoughts are to encourage and support of all the tall yuppie towers being built downtown. Otherwise, new comers to Jersey City will be forced to look at housing in other areas of the town, which will force long term residents out as landlords chase the higher rents. My theory is the negative aspects of gentrification come from a lack of new and affordable housing. An ample supply of housing, across all income levels, should be the goal in Jersey City.

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The city planners will be at our meeting on Tuesday Sept 29 at 6:30 at PS 30.

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The Planners are finishing the plan... The plan then goes to the Planning Board and City Council for approval in September.

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Thanks for posting this, user1111!!!

As of now, Ocean Ave is zoned as residential (it was changed from a business zoning to residential in the 70s when the population of JC began to decrease), so if someone wants to open a small business there, they have to jump through all sorts of hoops to make it happen. There is a new fruit and vegetable market opening soon on Danforth and Ocean, and it took them a long time to do it. That should not be the case and we want to make our neighborhood more walkable and friendly to small business.

Ever since we started talking to the planning department about having Ocean Ave zoned back to a business district, two different people have come up to me personally to say they would love to open up a small coffee shop and an art gallery/framing place, and would seriously consider it should the zoning rules allow it. This would help out the businesses that are already there as well (some examples: Casa Latina - awesome food, an organic dry cleaners, Lou's Diner, a pharmacy that's been there for decades, etc).

I'll post the information about this event below in case anyone is interested:

The South Greenville Neighborhood Association has planned this event. It will be on May 30th from 9:30 am to 2:00 pm at People's Tabernacle of Worship church on the corner of Ocean and Danforth.

The task of this community gathering is to co-create a vision for Ocean Avenue redevelopment (from Merritt Street to Cator Avenue) that incorporates what the community wants to bring to life in this section of the neighborhood, as well as what it does not want.

In a structured, facilitated approach, we will share ideas and wishes for the neighborhood that honors the values of all the diverse residents and those who work there. The diversity is rich and valued ? all genders, age groups, ethnicities, economics, workers, with a range of diverse issues, such as having a community center, re-establishment of the library, preservation of historic buildings and fixing other buildings, continuing the clean up of the street scape, and more.

During the day, we will be working in small groups so that everyone has an opportunity to contribute and we can avoid individual grandstanding.

Coffee and donuts/rolls will be served in the morning and lunch at about noontime. Free of charge ( small contributions will be accepted at the event to offset the cost.) Mayor Fulop will stop by.

If you would like to attend, please register here:http://www.eventbrite.com/o/south-gre ... ion-8149733574?s=38133010


I am a little weary of the government getting involved but hopefully they can get some things done. Check out whats happening on Woodlawn and Ocean the development there is happening organically without Frank or Diane involvement. An organic smoothie shop is about to open and further down by the firehouse a BBQ spot its set to open with backyard seating. I do agree with the rezoning of Ocean Ave, too many houses were built on some parts of the Avenue which does not make much sense. Another negative of Ocean as you go further down towards Bergen Lafayatte far too many liquor stores.



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