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The Friends of LSP urge all park supporters to call the Governor if you haven't done so and to please SPREAD the WORD about this major threat to LSP's future. The Governor could sign A3969, on his desk now, on any day.
Please call Governor to keep LSP's final decision-making on any plan under the control of the NJDEP with full public participation. Please call 609-292-6000 and urge Governor to Conditionally Veto Assembly Bill 3969 - the Meadowlands Agency Consolidation Act until the LSP language is removed - as the bill gives decision-making power on LSP plans to this new autonomous Meadowlands development commission - the bill says that this Commission "shall evaluate, approve, and implement any plan for LSP"! The NJ Sports and Exposition Authority is the main entity comprising the new Commission. Today's Philadelphia Inquirer story on the LSP threat has DEP spokesperson admitting the language was bad, and the only way for it to be removed is by a conditional veto. Many news stories including NY Times and powerful editorials (and the bill's language at bottom of page) are on the Friends' webpage at this crucial time for the park's future. The JC Parks Coaltion (JCPC) is calling upon organizations to sign a letter at this link urging Governor Christie to exercise his conditional veto until the language is removed from the legislation. The letter, including JCPC's member groups, has almost 50 groups signed on now. The letter itself is near top of Friends' webpage above and is also at this link. Your writing a letter to the editor of The Star Ledger of under 200 words or to any newspaper would help a lot as would contacting your legislators (list at bottom right of gov't website). Thanks very much for your help in calling the Governor and spreading the urgent word and thanks to all those who have called already!!!
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Environmental groups urge Christie to veto bill they say is threat to Liberty State Park
By Sudip Bhattacharya | The Jersey Journal on January 10, 2015 at 7:27 AM, updated January 10, 2015 at 8:04 AM Several New Jersey environmental groups joined the Jersey City Parks Coalition in urging Gov. Chris Christie to conditionally veto parts of the Hackensack Meadowlands Agency Consolidation Act that they feel would hurt Liberty State Park in Jersey City. The coalition, along with organizations such as the League of Conservation Voters, Environment New Jersey, Jersey City Environmental Commission, Duncan Ave. Neighborhood Association, Civic JC, NY/NJ Baykeeper, and Pershing Field Farden Friends, view language in the bill -- the Hackensack Meadowlands Agency Consolidation Act -- as a direct threat to privatize the Liberty State Park in Jersey City. VIEW THE LETTER - http://media.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_i ... r/VIEW%20THE%20LETTER.pdf The bill has been approved by both the Assembly and the Senate and is awaiting Christie's signature In the letter, the groups asked the governor to have language removed that they say would take authority from the Department of Environmental Protection to manage the park and transfer it to an autonomous agency to be known as the Meadowlands Regional Commission. Read more: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _to_liberty_state_pa.html
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The jist of the story is the bill's sponsor said he was opposed to inserting the amendment but the Christie administration insisted. As per your usual, you are doing everything in your power to spin this, but you can't change the facts, and what was stated.
Posted on: 2015/1/10 18:38
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No, I was quoting part of the text of the article. If you want to believe the jist of the story, then you have to believe the whole story, not cherry pick parts you like, lol. I was just quoting the story content.
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thanks Sam, Greg and Steve
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Yes, you are treating the word of an anonymous source as fact...mere posts after you said you wouldn't take the word of a blogger who said Christie was responsible for the amendment because he based this on an anonymous source.
Posted on: 2015/1/10 2:08
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From the story, this is what was written-which is what I said.
One legislative source who asked to remain anonymous when discussing negotiations with the Christie administration said the governor is expected to conditionally veto the bill to more narrowly tailor the commission?s authority over the park, eliminating parts that would also give it authority over ?related? structures. Quote:
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As usual, you're being dishonest. The article does not say Christie is going to veto the bill. Christie has until early February to sign or veto the bill. He could also conditionally veto language in the bill, which conservationists are urging him to do.
Posted on: 2015/1/6 19:17
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Perhaps you didn't read the NJ.com story which was recently posted. I don't blame you, as it directly contradicts what you said. But make no mistake, the story is quite clear that Christie requested the sneaky amendment. "I was advised by the Christie administration that this was important to the Department of Environmental Protection,? said state Sen. Paul Sarlo (D-Bergen), the bill?s sponsor in the upper house. ?As the Senate sponsor, I was opposed to having that language inserted into the bill... But in an effort to move a piece of legislation together that would get rid of the tax sharing and create a better redevelopment agency in the region, it was made clear that this was an important part, the DEP needed this, and I relented.? So the motivation behind the sneaky amendment is now pretty clear. This story also doesn't say what you're claiming, that Christie will conditionally veto his own requested language. It only quotes an anonymous source on this issue. Weren't you just telling us how these unknown "sources" are unreliable? Oh, the hypocrisy.
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So you quote a story that says Christie is going to conditionally veto the bill, and now come up with his alleged motivation? And the primary sponsor, was and is Prieto, and he's not talking-except to say that nothing is changed regards LSP. So what is it?
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Looks like we know who created this travesty and it was Christie's office. The blogger turned out to be 100% correct, as confirmed by the Sponsor of the bill himself. Oops. And the point remains: why would Christie veto language he specifically requested be put in? You've already played people for fools once, will you do it again? And as for the Republican opposition, I'm sure all involved realized it had enough votes to pass, so their help was not needed. Both sides of the aisle probably stand to benefit from this deal. Yes, that includes your beloved Republican governor.
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You're conflating privatizing the operation of the parks, and opening them up for extreme development. What if Christie wants to outsource the lawn mowers, trash removal, grounds keeping, etc? I suppose the idea is that we'd save a ton of money on pension payments, high salaries, etc. It doesn't mean he wants to drop a casino across from Lady Liberty. (Which is why it's amusing to hear Fulop howl over this-he wants to put a 100,000 seat racetrack and 90 story hotel/casino ONE FOOT AWAY from LSP property). The traffic and loss of the bucolic nature of the park would be lost under both approaches. Fulop's bag man, Lesniak, supports both efforts!
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Posted on: 2015/1/6 13:07
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LOL, told you so. Why would Christie veto language he specifically inserted? Privatizing parks is about profit for connected developers, not saving money.
Posted on: 2015/1/6 12:39
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The article says that Christie is expected to conditionally veto the bill, and narrow the scope (of three sentences that refer to LSP) of the bill. I'm guessing that he wants to privatize the operation of the park (as he's wanted to do in other state run parks, to save money) rather than open it to private development.
As I've said, if he's going to Disneyland the Park I'll be pissed off. But given that all his party members voted against the bill, and Prieto, the main sponsor is silent, and the Democrats are all behind it I think we don't know what's going on right now. Quote:
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Didn't Monroe tell everyone that the Christie administration did not make this change?
Posted on: 2015/1/6 7:49
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Christie administration requested changes to Meadowlands bill that could open Liberty State Park to development, sponsor says
By Matt Friedman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com January 05, 2015 at 9:57 PM TRENTON ? A last-minute addition to a bill critics say could open Liberty State Park to private development was inserted at the insistence of Gov. Chris Christie?s administration, according to one of the bill?s sponsors. At issue are three sentences regarding Liberty State Park ? a 1,200 acre area of land, water and marshland in dense Jersey City with sweeping views of the New York City skyline ? that were inserted into an 80-page bill shortly before it passed the Legislature last month. The main purpose of the bill, which is awaiting Christie?s signature, is to combine the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority and the New Jersey Meadowlands Commission into a new agency. It would also allow the 14 Meadowlands towns to put in place a 3 percent hotel tax to replace a system in which towns that benefit from development pay into a fund that goes to towns that have severe development restrictions. The controversial provision allows the newly created commission to ?evaluate, approve, and implement any plan or plans for the further preservation, development, enhancement, or improvement of Liberty State Park.? Read more: http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... iberty_state_park_to.html
Posted on: 2015/1/6 7:04
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Since Christie would control less than half of the members of the new commission (the rest would likely be Democrats) he wouldn't have control-so why would he want it if Democrats would be cutting the deals?
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from Sam Pesin, president of Friends of Liberty State Park
i urge everyone to read the powerful Star Ledger editorial and (Bergen)" Record editorial and The Record news story and Friends press release at
http://www.folsp.org/meadowlands_act.htm
Please call Governor at 609-292-1993 to veto the Hackensack Meadowlands Consolidation Act until the LSP language is removed- as it confiscates LSP from the NJDEP and from full public participation and gives away LSP to this new autonomous agency. The 10 lines slipped into the 80 page bill says that this autonomous agency "shall evaluate, approve and implement plans for LSP". The Jersey Journal story failed to provide those words - which are a major threat to LSP as the Governor is intent on privatizing LSP and as someone wrote, it was Democratic legislators, including bill's sponsor Asm Vincent Prieto who agreed to put the LSP language so that the Governor would sign the 3% Meadowlands hotel tax to benefit a few towns in Meadowlands. As Record editorial stated, it's a fine bill but it "smells" of a deal and LSP language must be removed.
The other threat to the park is that ballot measure 2 took major funds away from LSP and all state parks. Please cut and paste an email of recommendations (or use your own words) by Thurs Jan 8 to the Senate Committee working on the enabling legislation for measure 2. Our recommendations and justifications are at http://www.folsp.org/preservation/save_fund_lsp.htm
Thanks to all park supporters who will help protect LSP. Sam
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http://legiscan.com/NJ/rollcall/A3969/id/383468
I stopped checking party affiliation a 1/3 of the way down. All who voted yes were Democrats, all the no's were Republicans. Shockingly, even Whizzy and Whiney didn't want to vote on this travesty!
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The bill would allow casino development inside Liberty State Park. Fulop's deal was alongside Liberty State Park. Whether it's inside or one foot outside the impact would be the same, no?
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In that particular case, yes. Again, the space in question was underutilized; the reservoir was completely inaccessible; it is right next to heavily trafficked roads. Very little open space was converted, I'd be shocked if it was more than 2.5% of the Reservation. South Mountain certainly has not been compromised by the changes. Do you object to LSP having a commercial marina, a restaurant, a major tourist attraction and the occasional big weekend event in LSP? How about the big industrial park at the southern corner of LSP? It's also not clear that the laws in question will result in increased commercialism in the park -- especially if LSP itself is no longer the recipient of those revenues. Quote: As far as the casino and racetrack not being in LSP.... The laws FOLSP are advocating against have absolutely nothing to do with the casino proposals. Please try to stay on track.
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Nonsense, don't you want to know who supports this travesty so you can contact them? It's a hit parade of Democratic hacks who created and supporter this, many of them local in Hudson County. Outside of Hudson County you have Fulop's bag man, Lesniak. Sweeney voted yes.
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I guess the question is "who gives a shit?". You're so fixated on Democrat vs. Republican that you're virtually useless in conversation. There are actual things that need to be done to try to stop this but you're pointing fingers like a child.
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All of the 'no' votes in the NJ Senate were Republican, not a single Democrat voted no. I'll check the number in the House later.
All 4 primary sponsors and all 3 co-sponsors are Democrats.
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We both oppose it. For some reason you want to say this is because of Christie. It's not. It's a Hudson County Democrat grab. For all I know Christie might want it (I certainly hope not), but look at the sponsor and the support for it by Democrats in the Democratic held Legislature.
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Oh, just stop. You can't even argue against the issues, you just point fingers. This is part of your hero's overall plan. If you're against it, why do you defend him so vigorously?
Christie Pushing Park Privatization Gov. Christie to permit partial privatization of operations at state parks Christie Administration Expanded Privatization Portfolio in New Jersey in 2011 Christie To Allow Privatization in Parks
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Wouldn't Christie have asked his fellow Republican in the Legislature to write such a bill?
No, it was up and coming Hudson County Democrat Prieto who came up with the idea and the votes to get it done. It seems like many of the privatization opponents of other state parks were public union employees, who of course would oppose it. This Democratic grab isn't like Christie wanting to outsource management, it's about monetizing LSP. I can see a giant McLoone's restaurant there-besides his sweetheart deal in the South Mountain Reservation, he's also in be with the Meadowland gaming crew-he has two restaurants with their OTB parlors, one next door in Bayonne. Guess who they'd choose to drop one in LSP?
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But he can ask legislators to put provisions in a bill as a condition of him allowing it to pass. This bill is perfectly in line with Christie's plans to take away public resources so private interests can turn a profit: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010 ... mental_groups_slam_s.html The state Privatization Task Force, formed by Gov. Chris Christie, concluded the state Department of Environmental Protection could save "approximately $6 million to $8.2 million" by letting private companies manage state parks.
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who cares? - if you don't like what may happen, follow the suggestions of the Friends of Liberty State - http://www.folsp.org/preservation/save_fund_lsp.htm
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