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Re: Jersey City planning $20M City Hall annex on MLK Drive
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A hypocrite is someone who owns a car but tells someone else parking is not an issue for public buildings. When the point is made that the Medical Center has parking which protects car owners in the neighboring Van Vorst area, you said I should move. Of course you are a hypocrite. There is not one public elected official who has given up their car. Unfortunately, Ward E did not elect Dan Levin, probably the only authentic person who doesn't own a car.

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Parking is for visitors of those to the hospital. You are aware that people have family in other towns right? And having parking at a hospital isn't even required. I've pointed out one in the Manhattan that doesn't.

As I said before... people move for a lot of reasons. You want things to return to the way they were in the 50's and 60's? Fine. Move somewhere that still wants the world to be like that. You live in an urban environment. One in which the car is getting ditched. Get with the program or get out. Your choice.

You moved once before. It could have been because you wanted more space. It could have been that you wanted fewer stairs. It could have been that you didn't like the amount of people around or the lack of parking. I don't care to learn the reason but there was one. Guess what the reason will be for your next move... just because you grew up somewhere doesn't give you the right to live there forever...

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A hypocrite is someone who owns a car but tells someone else parking is not an issue for public buildings. When the point is made that the Medical Center has parking which protects car owners in the neighboring Van Vorst area, you said I should move. Of course you are a hypocrite. There is not one public elected official who has given up their car. Unfortunately, Ward E did not elect Dan Levin, probably the only authentic person who doesn't own a car.

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No wonder you use a phony name Pebble, you are mean or really a bully. But I forgive you because you don't know better.

I'm neither mean nor being a bully. I don't believe you know the definition of either, just as you have no idea what the definition of hypocrite is.

People move all the time. An elderly person leaves their walk-up apartment for one with an elevator because the stairs become too hard. Commuting to a job becomes harder in one location and thus someone moves to become closer. People get married and have children and move to be in an area with a good school district.

Nothing ever stays the same. Complaining about the change that is coming is merely spitting in the wind. You can either accept what is coming and embrace it or get out of the way of it and go somewhere that is more amenable.

Maybe you can look into North Arlington or Nutley. Those places have parking and every new development must include it. You'd be able to go everywhere and not worry about finding a spot since they all have lots.

Besides, you've moved once before. Why is it so crazy to think about moving again?

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No wonder you use a phony name Pebble, you are mean or really a bully. But I forgive you because you don't know better.


Just because most people think you're wrong 99% of the time, doesn't make everyone a bully.

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No wonder you use a phony name Pebble, you are mean or really a bully. But I forgive you because you don't know better.

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Logic is missing on jclist. Because I said parking should be part of a large development that involved the public I am called "twisted." Personally, I believe some people who believe a city can live without parking is suffering from denial. Pebble, you know I am right about the Medical Center, interesting the old site had no parking for the public. Mostly likely, they had to deal with neighbors complaining about parking. While they downsized the number of beds at the new hospital, they made sure parking was included big time.

Why would I say you are right about something you are so close minded about? As has been pointed out by more than just myself on more threads than this, parking and the push for it is as antiquated as a floppy drive.

You live in a City. It's dense. You want parking? Get out.

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Logic is missing on jclist. Because I said parking should be part of a large development that involved the public I am called "twisted." Personally, I believe some people who believe a city can live without parking is suffering from denial. Pebble, you know I am right about the Medical Center, interesting the old site had no parking for the public. Mostly likely, they had to deal with neighbors complaining about parking. While they downsized the number of beds at the new hospital, they made sure parking was included big time.

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If the Medical Center did not provide parking in its present location, what do you think would happen? Visitors would be parking in the Van Vorst neighborhood causing more chaos. Providing parking protects the residents who live near this new complex. It is the reason I suggest the underutilized County Plaza. We are already in debt for $59 million for that place, why add more debt?

The AMC in Manhattan has about 5 parking spots for the whole building.

As I said before: Get on board or get out of the way. It's your choice. The more you keep beating the ridiculous "I need parking" drum the more you look like this:
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If you own and use a car Pebble then you are a hypocrite when I say parking should be available for public buildings. I am sure you will use your car to get to this new complex. The city should have parking so residents like you do not take parking away from local residents. The people in that ward should not have worry about parking when they return home.


In Yvonne's twisted view of a city's future, this is what she would want/expect: Downtown Areas Decimated by Parking Lots, as Seen from Above.

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How about, instead of building more parking lots, the city builds a clear, easy to understand webpage that explains how to get to this building from different parts of the city via transit? That would certainly save a lot of tax dollars. We've actually been laying the groundwork for building maps like this through OpenJC.

Here's what happens when you make a city all about cars: https://twitter.com/woolie/status/497218754858602496/photo/1

Plenty of people here have them but use them only occasionally -- they prefer to walk, bike or take mass transit whenever possible, but have a job or family located somewhere that requires driving. Nothing about that makes them a hypocrite.

I grew up in an area where you had to have a car to go anywhere at all, and I'll take a more robust public transit system over more parking any day.

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If the Medical Center did not provide parking in its present location, what do you think would happen? Visitors would be parking in the Van Vorst neighborhood causing more chaos. Providing parking protects the residents who live near this new complex. It is the reason I suggest the underutilized County Plaza. We are already in debt for $59 million for that place, why add more debt?

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If you own and use a car Pebble then you are a hypocrite when I say parking should be available for public buildings. I am sure you will use your car to get to this new complex. The city should have parking so residents like you do not take parking away from local residents. The people in that ward should not have worry about parking when they return home.

No, it doesn't make me a hypocrite. When I choose to travel somewhere that doesn't not have very good parking, I plan alternate transit. If I drive out west or visit family elsewhere, sometimes I need to drive, not always.

You are choosing to travel to a location that doesn't have parking and then bemoaning the inconvenience. If it is so inconvenient, don't go. I find parking downtown to be quite unbearable. As such, I never drive downtown. Problem solved!

You have taxis/uber that can drop you off in front of wherever you want to go in the city. You don't physically need to park. If you can't afford the taxi fare, then I suggest moving out.

The city is moving in the direction of the rest of urban civilization: far less dependence on the automobile. Either get on board or get the heck out of the way because you're only slowing progress.

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If you own and use a car Pebble then you are a hypocrite when I say parking should be available for public buildings. I am sure you will use your car to get to this new complex. The city should have parking so residents like you do not take parking away from local residents. The people in that ward should not have worry about parking when they return home.

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On this video in 2010, citizen Candice Osborne, tells the city council she has car payments (0:36 and 1:45) then she goes on to state she promised a car for her son (3:57) and puts $50.00 away each month for this promise (4:07). In the real world, not the make-believe world, people use and drive cars.
http://youtu.be/ixiNMMh-00k

Yes. People, myself included, own and use cars. To say that people only use cars is absurd and that is your entire argument.

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On this video in 2010, citizen Candice Osborne, tells the city council she has car payments (0:36 and 1:45) then she goes on to state she promised a car for her son (3:57) and puts $50.00 away each month for this promise (4:07). In the real world, not the make-believe world, people use and drive cars.
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It will not have parking that the county has. There is no lite rail where I live. Lite Rail serves only a small section of JC not the majority.

My lord, you are obsessed with parking. You live in an urban city. That means that cars are more optional. There are buses that will take you to this location. And, not for nothing, but I happen to think that the city would be extremely stupid if they decide your personal convenience is the number one factor in development.

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It is about parking, if you leave downtown JC, residents of this city have cars. Some have 2 or more cars because different spouses drive to work. If they rent, then their tenants also drive. Stop living in your small micro world where everything evolves around downtown. Or as one of the candidates called, "the beautiful people."


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This info paints a clear picture that Jersey City is one of the top 5 (it's #3 in fact) cities with households without a car. When I talk Jersey City, I don't talk downtown vs JSQ vs Greenville. It's one big city.

Not saying that there isn't a need for parking in certain locations, I'm just pointing out that you may not realize how few people actually have cars in this city. It's all about the percentages. Maybe you need to reconsider where you live, as this city may not be conducive to your driving culture.

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It is about parking, if you leave downtown JC, residents of this city have cars. Some have 2 or more cars because different spouses drive to work. If they rent, then their tenants also drive. Stop living in your small micro world where everything evolves around downtown. Or as one of the candidates called, "the beautiful people."

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It will not have parking that the county has. There is no lite rail where I live. Lite Rail serves only a small section of JC not the majority.


OF COURSE THERE IS NO LIGHTRAIL WHERE YOU LIVE! YOU USED TO LIVE WHERE THERE WAS LIGHTRAIL SERVICE BUT CHOSE TO SELL YOUR HOME AND MOVE TO AN AREA WHERE THERE WAS NONE. IN FACT THERE IS A THREAD ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF TRANSPORTATION. IN FACT THE WHOLE WEST SIDE OF JERSEY CITY, BAYONNE, HOBOKEN, ETC HAS NO ACCESS TO THIS SERVICE. I BET IF WE LOOKED WE WOULD FIND A THREAD WHERE YOU BITCHED AND BELLYACHED ABOUT THE LIGHTRAIL GOING THROUGH THE PRISTINE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU USED TO SKULK ABOUT LOOKING TO SEE WHAT EVIL YOU COULD MAKE OUT OF BRET SWEEPING HIS SIDEWALK.

I have been looking over area maps and cannot find one town in a 10 mile radius that would meet your lofty expectations. I bet you will find something wrong with Heaven when you and St. Peter are mulling things over at the Gate.


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It's not about the parking Yvonne. Sheesh!

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It will not have parking that the county has. There is no lite rail where I live. Lite Rail serves only a small section of JC not the majority.

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Have you been to County Plaza, dtjcview, the former Block Property? The building in underutilized. Some people have offices that are over 1,000 square feet. The building is too large. It has plenty of parking, we should be using that site. It is near Montgomery St. which means it is also close to the bus system.


Yes I've been there a few times. Most recently to file a tax appeal. And it's also a waste of space. Why shouldn't the county sell or lease that property too and move to the hub? Close to transport - you're kidding, right? MLK has the buses AND light rail. County Plaza could easily become Beacon II.

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Have you been to County Plaza, dtjcview, the former Block Property? The building in underutilized. Some people have offices that are over 1,000 square feet. The building is too large. It has plenty of parking, we should be using that site. It is near Montgomery St. which means it is also close to the bus system.

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You know I'd actually like to see the City and County work together on this. Why not move the County building, courts, etc from Newark Ave, and perhaps sell that property off for private development, then invest it in the rebuild of court, County offices and City annex around the hub on MLK?

Boggiano doesn't want the county redevelopment in his ward - why not move it somewhere that could really benefit?

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The first reading for this came before the city council. The city will lease this property for 25 years at the end of the lease the city will buy the property for $1.00 but then we would have paid $45 million. I still think we should lease space from the County Plaza. We already are paying the bonds and that place is half empty. Plus it has parking.

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$20 million Jersey City City Hall annex could bring life to Hub, but should be better planned: Morgan's Corner

By Earl Morgan/For The Jersey Journal
August 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM

Jersey City Councilwoman-at-Large Joyce Waterman and her colleague Ward F Councilwoman Diane Coleman asked the 30 or so people attending a community meeting Saturday at Mt. Olive Baptist Church for their support for a proposed $20 million Jersey City City Hall annex to be constructed on what’s currently a portion of the strip mall, commonly known as the “Hub” on Martin Luther King Drive.

The meeting was sparsely attended even though Coleman said she and her aides had distributed hundreds of fliers n the ward. The meeting, according to the councilwomen, was held to gauge community support for the project, but the already announced groundbreaking slated for this fall, a mere few months from now, seems to render the matter a foregone conclusion.

Not so, the meeting conveners declared, saying nothing is written in stone despite the fact that the project developers, Brandywine Construction, who were on hand, said ground has to be broken for the building this fall in order to take advantage of historically low interest rates line and facilitate other issues concerning the building.

Coleman reminded those in the church that the Hub was conceived as a centerpiece for the revitalization of the Drive, which was once a flourishing shopping center then known as Jackson Avenue.

Brandywine, which is also the developer for the Hub, has struggled to find and retain businesses for the strip mall, which remains a money loser.

It’s expected the 250 city employees who work in a plethora of city agencies currently located in expensive, commercially owned office space will spur additional pedestrian traffic in the Hub. The mayor, public safety director chief of police and fire chief are among the officials slated to move into the new building. Whether that will result in a much-needed reduction in crime in the area, as city officials believe, remains to be seen.

Hopefully, the annex will do all the things the administration says it will, including creating some construction jobs for minority workers on the site.

What was said Saturday makes the project look like a rush job.

No traffic study has yet been conducted, little thought seems to have gong into how parking at the Hub will be impacted once the expected horde of municipal employees and residents seeking the services they dispense begin flooding the area.

On another note: One of a number of recommendations included in a city commissioned study documenting disparities in the awarding of city contracts to minorities suggests revision in the method and manner the city spends a year by dividing projects into several prime contracts to increase minority participation. Asked Saturday, Brandywine officials said while they’ve participated in such efforts on occasion but declared it too late to do that on this project.

That’s to bad because the Hub is located in the heart of the city’s African-American community. If the administration wants to put flesh on the bones of those promises, it needs to give minority developers a stake in the millions of construction dollars the city spends annually.

Earl Morgan's column appears here every Wednesday.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... anned_morgans_corner.html

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"By moving several hundred jobs to the south of the city, including the permitting and development offices, we are committed to putting our money where our mouth is and taking steps to return Jackson Avenue to being a bustling business center," Mayor Steve Fulop said in a statement.

Jackson Avenue is the former name of MLK Drive.

Councilwoman at large Joyce Watterman, a Fulop ally who attended the meeting, calls the annex plan "a good idea."

"I think it'll bring businesses to the community," Watterman said. "They're been trying just to get retail in there, but this might be a better way to attract retail."
It's not clear how the city plans to pay for construction of the annex, which the presentation says will be "secured at no tax increase to taxpayer." Watterman said the plan is for a developer to build it and the city to lease the property.

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... hall_an.html#incart_river

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The new P.S # and P.S4 cost $70 million to build, granted some of that cost was due to contamination of land but there is a great deal of contamination of land in Ward F too.

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The previous administration condemned property on Montgomery Street, now parking for city workers for a municipal annex. A small church was on that site. But let's be realistic, $20 million for a municipal plaza? When the county created County Plaza on Cornelison Avenue, the purchase price was $14 million and $15 million was earmarked for renovations. But renovations increased an extra $30 million to $45 million or $59 million for a county complex. I don't believe $20 million will be the final price. Let’s use some of the space of the county.


Pretty clear where the $20m number came from. Nothing to do with cost. It's the max the City can raise without risking a hit to debt rating (and rise in future cost of debt).

[url]http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/uploadedFiles/Public_Notices/Press_Releases/Moody's%20Upgrades%20Jersey%20City's%20Bond%20Rating%20Press%20Release[1].pdf[/url]

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DEBT BURDEN EXPECTED TO REMAIN HIGH
Moody's expects the city's direct debt burden (3.4% of equalized value) to remain high given the city's recent
equalized value declines and average amortization of principal (81.8% retired within 10 years). The city's overall
debt burden, which includes overlapping Hudson County debt but excludes fee-supported Jersey City Municipal
Utility debt, equates to an above-average 5.4% of the city's equalized value. The city expects to issue
approximately $20 million in new money bonds every 12 to 15 months, an amount higher than what is scheduled to
be paid down over the near term. The city expects to continue to fund tax appeals and retiree payments for
accrued compensated absences with notes, and anticipates issuing approximately $5 million to $10 million in
notes annually. The city fully funds its ARC ($8.03 million in fiscal 2011) for the Jersey City Employee Retirement
System, but has a low funded position of 42% as of Jan. 1, 2012.





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There is a $852 million gross municipal/county general obligations bonding debt. We are still paying for debt refinance in the early 1990s, Fiscal Year Adjustment Bonds, 1991. We are paying for retirement bonds for cops and firemen that have left government a long time ago. Every year, we bond $9.5 million terminal leave. It is amazing, people think we have deep pockets.


We do have deep pockets, especially when we give out massive tax abatements to "develop" an already developed area.

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