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Re: Are we doing too much or not enough about this?
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That was funny. I would call the police and have him arrested for trespassing. Three hots and a cot.

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Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)








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Strangers do not belong in vestibules, so why are you allowing this to continue ? And as far as having a cot to make him more comfortable that is purely insane and irresponsible especially if there are families involved. What is stated on your building's insurance policy ?


I have to laugh at people who think it is a good idea to not only allow random strangers into your building, but to leave out a cot to allow any insane drug addict to take up residence there for free. The fact that we have to point out that this is a bad idea or describe why it might be a bad idea indicates that we have a significant portion of our population that utterly lacks basic common sense.

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Strangers do not belong in vestibules, so why are you allowing this to continue ? And as far as having a cot to make him more comfortable that is purely insane and irresponsible especially if there are families involved. What is stated on your building's insurance policy ?

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Get a simple door code lock for your front door. Problem solved. I understand that people are annoyed at having to always have a second key, and a door code lock avoids that issue.

Though you're a kind and generous person. I wouldn't have hesitated to call the police.

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Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)








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Whattttttt??? You racist, classist yuppie! Why don't you and all your Starbucks-loving friends move to Westfield?!

Okay, I'm done.

We had this same problem at my previous address. It was a condo building, so EVERYBODY had an opinion. There was even a faction that wanted to provide the gentleman a cot to make his stay more comfortable. Whatever this man's issues may be, you can't reason with him. Move the doorbells, lock the door, move on. If it makes you feel better, make a big donation to a charity that serves the homeless. Your tenants are paying good money to live in a safe/clean environment.

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Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)








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Tiny Houses for the Homeless: An Affordable Solution Catches On?

A growing number of towns and cities have found a practical solution to homelessness through the construction of tiny-house villages?and housing officials are taking notice.?

By Erika Lundahl
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Feb 20, 2014

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On a Saturday in September, more than 125 volunteers showed up with tools in hand and built six new 16-by-20-foot houses for a group of formerly homeless men. It was the beginning of Second Wind Cottages, a tiny-house village for the chronically homeless in the town of Newfield, N.Y., outside of Ithaca.

On January 29, the village officially opened, and its first residents settled in. Each house had cost about $10,000 to build, a fraction of what it would have cost to house the men in a new apartment building.

The project is part of a national movement of tiny-house villages, an alternative approach to housing the homeless that's beginning to catch the interest of national advocates and government housing officials alike.

"It's certainly something that we would encourage other communities to take a look at," says Lee Jones at the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

For many years, it has been tough to find a way to house the homeless. More than 3.5 million people experience homelessness in the United States each year, according to the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty. Shortages of low-income housing continue to be a major challenge. For every 100 households of renters in the United States that earn "extremely low income" (30 percent of the median or less), there are only 30 affordable apartments available, according to a 2013 report from the National Low Income Housing Coalition.

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When I see someone sleeping outside in this weather, I call 547-5477 so that they will be picked up and brought to a shelter. I can't imagine that someone can survive for very long with exposure to the temperatures we've been having.

I don't know what the long-term solution is, but I can't bear the thought of doing nothing.


Thanks for posting that. I wasn't sure who to call in instances such as this. Do the police actually come and take them to a shelter?


You're welcome. Yes, they do. I think that they routinely do it when the temperature dips below a certain number, but I call anyway just because a few minutes can make a difference in the extreme cold.

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The impact of uneducated people with no impulse control on society


He may be well educated. He may have had a good job, a wife and kids and well adjusted friends. Mental illness and substance abuse don't play favorites.


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YES THIS MAN IS A CHRISTIAN.
JESUS TEACH KINDNESS COMPASION AND FORGIVENESS.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REMOVE THIS PICTURE.
LOOK INTO YOUR HEART I CANT SLEEP.


I hear what you're saying but I don't see anyone can tell who this person is - unless you already know people who pass out drunk in public. In which case, you'd already know they do that.

Besides, I think other people seeing this pic is the least of his worries. Dude needs to get his life back on track first.

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You question is too vague - by "we", do you mean us an individuals, or our society? And what are you talking about doing something about - homelessness (this person would appear to have a home and family)? The lack of a support system for people with substance abuse problems (assuming he is not on a once-in-a-lifetime bender)? The impact of uneducated people with no impulse control on society?

@Tristeza - if you are this man's friend, you really need to talk to his family about some sort of intervention. This is NOT the time for prayers, he could die out there.

I'm glad for the non-emergency contact # - I usually call 911. But your question begs another question - what is your expectation? Just wanting to prevent this from happening is too open-ended.

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Empathy is like gonorrhea; once you get it, you tend to spread it around.


Well sure, but I don't think it's an all-or-nothing affair, either. Clearly, you have more empathy for close contacts compared to be people you don't know.

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YES THIS MAN IS A CHRISTIAN.
JESUS TEACH KINDNESS COMPASION AND FORGIVENESS.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REMOVE THIS PICTURE.
LOOK INTO YOUR HEART I CANT SLEEP.

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Okay, then. I'm happy that you've lived such a charmed life that you've never needed anyone's empathy. Good on ya, bub.


So not having empathy for a person one doesn't know means one has never needed anyone's empathy? That's a stretch.

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Who cares? He's not harming anyone.


ummm...himself? is that not worth maybe a phone call?

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When I see someone sleeping outside in this weather, I call 547-5477 so that they will be picked up and brought to a shelter. I can't imagine that someone can survive for very long with exposure to the temperatures we've been having.

I don't know what the long-term solution is, but I can't bear the thought of doing nothing.


Thanks for posting that. I wasn't sure who to call in instances such as this. Do the police actually come and take them to a shelter?

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Okay, then. I'm happy that you've lived such a charmed life that you've never needed anyone's empathy. Good on ya, bub.

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Seriously - you can't even tell who it is. If you're so concerned about him (family) go help him......


If that is his family and not someone being silly (my guess), they most likely can't help him because he's probaby mentally ill and self medicating. What to do about that? I don't know. The Republicans have cut off the funding and the ACLU has made it impossible to get a mentally ill person care unless they damn near kill someone.

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Oh wait!!!!! Better yet - he's a Christian - maybe God will come help him : )


Dude, really? Maybe just be grateful that you've never sunk so far as that guy, and leave it at that.

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Oh wait!!!!! Better yet - he's a Christian - maybe God will come help him : )

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Seriously - you can't even tell who it is. If you're so concerned about him (family) go help him......

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PLEASE I AM BEG YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS PICTURE.
THIS MAN IS A RELATIVE A FATHER AND A SON. HE IS AN ALCOHOLIC AND A CHRISTIAN.
PLEASE REMOVE PICTURE AS BRING PAIN TO MY FAMILY.
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You can't even see his face. I think leaving it up is a public service as it brings attention to the problem.

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Your vague post made it look like you were condemning the problem of homelessness in the City.

I'm not sure what your point was with this post. Tell others they should be doing something to help while doing nothing yourself?


Apparently I posted a Rorschach test.


I am very impressed with your noble efforts of helping the homeless which so far have consisted of doing absolutely nothing other than distressing a relative of the person in the picture. Great job, keep it up!

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PLEASE I AM BEG YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS PICTURE.
THIS MAN IS A RELATIVE A FATHER AND A SON. HE IS AN ALCOHOLIC AND A CHRISTIAN.
PLEASE REMOVE PICTURE AS BRING PAIN TO MY FAMILY.
THANKYOU.


Send a PM to user "Webmaster" with your request, and ask that the picture or thread be removed. To be honest, the guy in the picture could be almost any homeless or drunk person - and I think the OP's intention wasn't to shame the individual nor family, but to highlight the plight in general.

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PLEASE I AM BEG YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS PICTURE.
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PLEASE REMOVE PICTURE AS BRING PAIN TO MY FAMILY.
THANKYOU.


Cut to shot of family staring at computer screen and wailing.
Cut to shot of us having no idea who that is.

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Your vague post made it look like you were condemning the problem of homelessness in the City.

I'm not sure what your point was with this post. Tell others they should be doing something to help while doing nothing yourself?


Apparently I posted a Rorschach test.

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PLEASE REMOVE PICTURE AS BRING PAIN TO MY FAMILY.
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Oh, well since you said he's a Christian...

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THIS MAN IS A RELATIVE A FATHER AND A SON. HE IS AN ALCOHOLIC AND A CHRISTIAN.
PLEASE REMOVE PICTURE AS BRING PAIN TO MY FAMILY.
THANKYOU.

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