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look at the massive waterfront and downtown developments with their ever rising rents which do not cater to the present population of Jersey City.


I didn't realize the goal of all development was to cater to the current population. I agree that leaving planning to developers is a bad idea, but that does not mean no dense development and a static city. We'll end up like San Francisco where rigid development controls have left the housing stock stagnant and led to skyrocketing prices and rents. Nor can ease of street parking be the ultimate arbiter of development, are we a suburb?

Read more about New Urbanism and Transit Oriented Development.

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LeFrak never asked for an abatement in the beginning. The abatement happened when Mayor Cucci asked for affordable housing so 270 units became affordable out of 1500 in the 1980s. LeFrak placed ads in the New York Post advertising those affordable units. It benefitted NYC residents but JC residents were stuck with the tax bill of educating those NYC children at our local schools. Affordable housing does not help struggling homeowners who pay taxes. It actually makes their tax burden worse. Over 2,200 property owners went into lien. In my opinion, we need affordable taxes which creates affordable housing as a by-product.

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I beg to differ Brewster, many of us have attended HPNA and meetings sponsored by Candace Osborne. Ignoring the problems engendered by a lack of parking and affordable housing in these massive luxury housing projects in the planning stages only means that we residents will have to deal with the repercussions long after this administration has moved on.

The lack of urban planning in Jersey City is abominable, and the tradition of leaving it to the developers to decide the future of the city simply and quite obviously doesn't work
(look at the massive waterfront and downtown developments with their ever rising rents which do not cater to the present population of Jersey City). It seems the last development to include onsite affordable housing was Newport in the 1980's.

Didn't our mayor, when he was a councilperson, decry Healy for the enormous amount of luxury housing being approved and built (with abatements) when the amount of affordable housing was infinitesimally small?

Even NYC is reacting and trying to remedy the lack of affordable housing in Manhattan which occurred in the previous administration because, a lack of economic diversity and affordable housing is not good for economic growth.

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Hamilton Park folks spoke for over an hour at the council meeting but this administration is ignoring them. Fulop and team got in due to the downtown vote, so why is he turning his back on them? He did the same thing with Van Vorst Park and the micro units.


Perhaps because he knows it's only the hysterical squeaky wheels like you talking, not the general population. Most of us don't have the idea that our city needs to be frozen in time with nothing ever changing. I remember clearly similar hysterics that the construction of the Home Depot would bring the apocalypse. Didn't.

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What? Haven't you seen the laundry list posted on doors of reason why this building will end civilization as we know it? My favorite is how these mostly studio units will increase crowding of the schools.

This should not cause a problem. Most of the residents of these luxury apartment buildings do not send their children to public schools plus if they did the charter schools should be able to bear the brunt.

That is what Council President Tom DeGise said when he voted to give Newport abatements, he said, "The people living in Newport will not have children and will not use the public schools." We know that is not true.

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Hamilton Park folks spoke for over an hour at the council meeting but this administration is ignoring them. Fulop and team got in due to the downtown vote, so why is he turning his back on them? He did the same thing with Van Vorst Park and the micro units.


Perhaps because he knows it's only the hysterical squeaky wheels like you talking, not the general population. Most of us don't have the idea that our city needs to be frozen in time with nothing ever changing. I remember clearly similar hysterics that the construction of the Home Depot would bring the apocalypse. Didn't.

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Hamilton Park folks spoke for over an hour at the council meeting but this administration is ignoring them. Fulop and team got in due to the downtown vote, so why is he turning his back on them? He did the same thing with Van Vorst Park and the micro units.

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Not really if it requires significant variances, which all these largish proposed developments do.

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I'm pretty sure that this "theory" would be illegal.
A person who owns land can't be forced to pay for public expenses just because they want to exercise their right to develop.

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Has anyone officially objected to any planning permits.

I'm a strong believer in 'ratio' developments; in other words any new development that increases the number of people in a given community must contribute to the services and infrastructure to that immediate area.

Simply put - If there is one swing in a playground and the population increases due to development, then the developer needs to install or help fund a second or third swing in the park.

The 'ratio' theory can apply to sewers, water supply infrastructure, road maintenance, etc. Even the ratio of police to a district needs updating with population growth.

If you look at your local swimming pool, it hasn't changed, yet with developments that increased population has and the pool becomes over-run.

Every development should contribute to a citywide fund - 'x' amount per room they create and this should apply to those private dwellings that increase or provide for a 2nd family.

Also has anyone objected to the permit and requested the developer to instal a repeater station to improve TV reception?

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What? Haven't you seen the laundry list posted on doors of reason why this building will end civilization as we know it? My favorite is how these mostly studio units will increase crowding of the schools.

This should not cause a problem. Most of the residents of these luxury apartment buildings do not send their children to public schools plus if they did the charter schools should be able to bear the brunt.

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Has anyone officially objected to any planning permits.

I'm a strong believer in 'ratio' developments; in other words any new development that increases the number of people in a given community must contribute to the services and infrastructure to that immediate area.

Simply put - If there is one swing in a playground and the population increases due to development, then the developer needs to install or help fund a second or third swing in the park.

The 'ratio' theory can apply to sewers, water supply infrastructure, road maintenance, etc. Even the ratio of police to a district needs updating with population growth.

If you look at your local swimming pool, it hasn't changed, yet with developments that increased population has and the pool becomes over-run.

Every development should contribute to a citywide fund - 'x' amount per room they create and this should apply to those private dwellings that increase or provide for a 2nd family.

Also has anyone objected to the permit and requested the developer to instal a repeater station to improve TV reception?

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This is the sort of spot where a developer should get upzoning (assuming the community gets something back and they are supposed to with a park and some traffic work, I think). It's right on Marin, there is already a tall building in the adjacent lot and the .5 spaces for unit is more parking than most apartment buildings in the area are using.

I could see limiting it to 140 ft (the same as the senior center), but even that I don't mind much.


What? Haven't you seen the laundry list posted on doors of reason why this building will end civilization as we know it? My favorite is how these mostly studio units will increase crowding of the schools.


We should be singing the praises of any (non-income-restricted) new development where the residents actually send their children to the public schools!

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This is the sort of spot where a developer should get upzoning (assuming the community gets something back and they are supposed to with a park and some traffic work, I think). It's right on Marin, there is already a tall building in the adjacent lot and the .5 spaces for unit is more parking than most apartment buildings in the area are using.

I could see limiting it to 140 ft (the same as the senior center), but even that I don't mind much.


Any idea what we are supposed to get back? I would be interested to know. Did they get any abatement?

My main concern with up-zoning is the precedent it will set - I think the existing zoning guidelines should be enforced.

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This is the sort of spot where a developer should get upzoning (assuming the community gets something back and they are supposed to with a park and some traffic work, I think). It's right on Marin, there is already a tall building in the adjacent lot and the .5 spaces for unit is more parking than most apartment buildings in the area are using.

I could see limiting it to 140 ft (the same as the senior center), but even that I don't mind much.


What? Haven't you seen the laundry list posted on doors of reason why this building will end civilization as we know it? My favorite is how these mostly studio units will increase crowding of the schools.

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KRE has proposed a 190 ft 400 unit rental building on 9th & Marin.

The area is zoned for 66 units an acre, 140 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit
The developer is asking for 300 units an acre, 190 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit (zip cars count as 5 parking spaces)

This is a 2nd reading where anyone from the public can speak on the topic once the topic is called.

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This is the sort of spot where a developer should get upzoning (assuming the community gets something back and they are supposed to with a park and some traffic work, I think). It's right on Marin, there is already a tall building in the adjacent lot and the .5 spaces for unit is more parking than most apartment buildings in the area are using.

I could see limiting it to 140 ft (the same as the senior center), but even that I don't mind much.

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KRE has proposed a 190 ft 400 unit rental building on 9th & Marin.

The area is zoned for 66 units an acre, 140 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit
The developer is asking for 300 units an acre, 190 ft, .5 parking spaces per unit (zip cars count as 5 parking spaces)

This is a 2nd reading where anyone from the public can speak on the topic once the topic is called.

When: Wednesday June 25
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Where: City Council Chambers 280 Grove Street


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Exactly my point mooby. It's different from walking that way to go out to eat or for a drink once in a while. I've walked from there to Zeppelin Hall and to the former Maxwells- but I didn't do either every day.

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im shocked that someone thinks that 10-blocks is not walkable....i can understand this might be diificult for the elderly or handicapped but a block walk is nada imo


Walk-able is considered 1/4 of a mile from a planning perspective. Obviously that isn't always the case because some things are more worth walking to than others.

I think the point RU is trying to make is that taking 20 minutes just for the walk to and from the store to pick up eggs or cough drops is a bit much. It's walk-able, but it's not convenient for small errands or in poor weather.


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I should be clear. The project is 1st-9th st + Pavonia, Bay and Newark Streets. That's more than a 10 min walk.

There's no reason that the only stores in the area with good hours should be in the mall.

Most people in HP use Newport for a reason.

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im shocked that someone thinks that 10-blocks is not walkable....i can understand this might be diificult for the elderly or handicapped but a block walk is nada imo

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Seriously? 10 blocks is very walkable on a daily basis. That's about a 10 minute walk.


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Grove Street is 10 blocks from the proposed project. That's not walkable on an every day basis.

Funny that people are criticizing the architechture. So true, how can we let this brick building interrupt the pleasant asthetics of the "Bayonne style" two families down Manila...


Seriously? 10 blocks is very walkable on a daily basis. That's about a 10 minute walk.

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Grove Street is 10 blocks from the proposed project. That's not walkable on an every day basis.

Funny that people are criticizing the architechture. So true, how can we let this brick building interrupt the pleasant asthetics of the "Bayonne style" two families down Manila...

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Wishful Thinking is not talking about the Lakewood, New Jersey community but the Lakewood, Colorado community.


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Check out this link to the Lakewood, CO zoning - with some involvement from us citizens and political willpower, JC's zoning can incorporate some simple, clear design/aesthetic guidelines for better buildings: http://www.lakewood.org/Article7Multi ... dSiteDesignStandards.aspx

Lakewood is different from J.C. it is a community run by a Hasidic sect similar to that of Munsey, N.Y, and West Passaic, N.J., and Williamsburg, Brooklyn. There has been lots of controversy and conflict in Lakewood between the sect and the ever-shrinking Black community. I think J.C. will have to contain a more homogenous society to achieve what Lakewood has accomplished.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/nyr ... ewood.html?pagewanted=all

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Check out this link to the Lakewood, CO zoning - with some involvement from us citizens and political willpower, JC's zoning can incorporate some simple, clear design/aesthetic guidelines for better buildings: http://www.lakewood.org/Article7Multi ... dSiteDesignStandards.aspx

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It is an unsightly building. Reminds me of a stalinist residential block where the builder ran out of money and had to improvise.


I am afraid it can't "remind" you of a stalinist residential block, since you obviously didn't see one.

Here how it looks like. Note, that Stalin was perfectly fine with letting millions of people starve if he wanted to use the resources for marble-tiled subway stations or nice looking streets for the gullible walter-duranties of the west.

It was later, during more vegetarian Khrushev times when they were building ugly buildings. And then they finally ran out of money, and the socialism collapsed.


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Another interesting tidbit.... the developer said they may not even take the abatement. Because abatements come with restrictions - like number of union workers you have to use - developers may decide the cost-savings from the abatement aren't worth it.

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I have heard that NYC developers face very stringent requirements and regulations when applying for abatements.
Surely abatements in Gold Coast neighborhoods should be directly ties to on-site provision of affordable rate units similar to the 80-20 rate found in NYC.
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At this same meeting, one of the deputy mayors said that the 10-year-abatement is competitive. In other words, if you look at some areas of Brooklyn and Long Island City, they are still offering 10-year abatements. His point was that in order to stay competitive with those areas that business/people are moving to, we have to continue to offer it. It'll plateau soon, I imagine, but I think right now they believe they still need to offer it.

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No. This place will do well only because it is a short walk to the PATH train which will take you to the greatest city in the world. And what's with the "I want a walking city but I can't make it to Grove Street"? Give me a break.




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Did anyone here actually read the link?

First off, it goes into detail about

1) the developer providing open space because the community wanted it- even though there literally another park a block and a half away

2) The development provides parking. And the mall also rents to HP residents to park. It's very unlikely it will add more street parking.

Second of all, I lived on Manila facing the garage. I had views of the JC skyline and the Freedom Tower, and I was on the third floor. No one is losing their view.

Third of all, did you not notice that Marin would have stores, not a garage? As someone who actually lived right there, and not like some other people that hate every new project, more places to get basic stuff are desperately needed.

It was only once the convenience store opened on 10th and Manila that there was any convenience store opened on a Sunday. Newport Pharmacy is barely open and neither is the convenience store on Erie and 9th. And the restaurant on 10th and Erie (now Vietnamese) and the 8th and Erie (Mexican and before that quasi-Middle Eastern) were constantly in flux. Which only made the mall/Newport harping by people on other side of town of more of a joke than it already was. No, it's not acceptable for us to have to walk all the way down Grove Street to get basic services.

Projects like this are NEEDED. Again- if you want to live in a bucolic suburb, this is NJ- go move there. This is a city. We should have tall buildings with people in them.

The remarks on the sewers and PATH are ridiculous. Not only does NJ specifically not subscribe to "timed growth" but the idea that the 2nd biggest city in the state with 250,000 people cannot handle 300 apartments is a joke.

For all the Brooklyn/Queens comparisons, please call me when their pols turn down development. Thankfully, there like here, the hipster, stroller pusher, force my middle America Ohio lifestyle except with organic food types are overruled by reality.

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Did anyone here actually read the link?

First off, it goes into detail about

1) the developer providing open space because the community wanted it- even though there literally another park a block and a half away

2) The development provides parking. And the mall also rents to HP residents to park. It's very unlikely it will add more street parking.

Second of all, I lived on Manila facing the garage. I had views of the JC skyline and the Freedom Tower, and I was on the third floor. No one is losing their view.

Third of all, did you not notice that Marin would have stores, not a garage? As someone who actually lived right there, and not like some other people that hate every new project, more places to get basic stuff are desperately needed.

It was only once the convenience store opened on 10th and Manila that there was any convenience store opened on a Sunday. Newport Pharmacy is barely open and neither is the convenience store on Erie and 9th. And the restaurant on 10th and Erie (now Vietnamese) and the 8th and Erie (Mexican and before that quasi-Middle Eastern) were constantly in flux. Which only made the mall/Newport harping by people on other side of town of more of a joke than it already was. No, it's not acceptable for us to have to walk all the way down Grove Street to get basic services.

Projects like this are NEEDED. Again- if you want to live in a bucolic suburb, this is NJ- go move there. This is a city. We should have tall buildings with people in them.

The remarks on the sewers and PATH are ridiculous. Not only does NJ specifically not subscribe to "timed growth" but the idea that the 2nd biggest city in the state with 250,000 people cannot handle 300 apartments is a joke.

For all the Brooklyn/Queens comparisons, please call me when their pols turn down development. Thankfully, there like here, the hipster, stroller pusher, force my middle America Ohio lifestyle except with organic food types are overruled by reality.

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come to think of it....the facade is ugly. can't jc require developers/architects tod esign better looking buildings...they see to be able to get more non-generic stuff in brooklyn! why is that!

Just saw the rendering - hero69, you hit the nail on the head! And if you think it looks bad in the rendering, wait until you see it in person. I take PATH to WTC every day, and walk by the BMCC building that replaced the one destroyed on 9/11 - big panels of thin-set faux brick, joint sealant already failing, cheesy aluminum windows...

Admittedly, the best architecture in NYC is for very high cost developments, but perhaps with an architectural review panel and/or a contextual zoning overlay we could get better.

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