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It's a money-grab people. The city acts like developers are doing them a favor. Developers clean up and leave the residents to clean up the mess. Vastly overcrowded trains, overtaxed sewer systems and no new public parks. Will people stay? Of course. There are always a few rats still around when they do those lab experiments. Jersey City will look like Flushing soon. I am out of here soon after 25 years. Hopefully it's not too late for this city to "get it right". Sadly though it's heading toward more NYC sprawl.


I agree. The people who are "pro-density" are those that bought in the last 10 years. I've been here for 23 years. I'll give myself another 5.

If you like density so much, why not move to Union City or Guttenberg? Let's turn DTJC into another Kowloon Walled City!

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It's a money-grab people. The city acts like developers are doing them a favor. Developers clean up and leave the residents to clean up the mess. Vastly overcrowded trains, overtaxed sewer systems and no new public parks. Will people stay? Of course. There are always a few rats still around when they do those lab experiments. Jersey City will look like Flushing soon. I am out of here soon after 25 years. Hopefully it's not too late for this city to "get it right". Sadly though it's heading toward more NYC sprawl.

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If the mayor wants people to settle down here and have kids, he should divert some money from these developments to build more parks. LSP is a huge park, but is not very accessible from downtown. These ugly high-rises with more studios and one beds would only attract young transient crowd. Look at Hoboken and how they have managed to set aside the immediate space along their waterfront for parks instead of hotels and office towers.

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This high density inner city developments will only create more traffic congestion, parking issues, stress on our parks and social issues with people living so close to each other.

I've had the belief that good town planning should be based on ratios ... For example, 20 years ago there would have be 'x' amount of swings in a park, 'x' amount of parking spots, 'x' amount of square feet of green space, 'x' amount of people attending the local swimming pool, 'x' amount of police, 'x' amount of cabs, "x' amount space in schools for students etc etc.

Now that we have had a development / population explosion in the past 20 years, the ratio of the above should have increased to accommodate that increase ... which it has not!


Yet surprisingly more people are choosing to move here. Weird.

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This high density inner city developments will only create more traffic congestion, parking issues, stress on our parks and social issues with people living so close to each other.

I've had the belief that good town planning should be based on ratios ... For example, 20 years ago there would have be 'x' amount of swings in a park, 'x' amount of parking spots, 'x' amount of square feet of green space, 'x' amount of people attending the local swimming pool, 'x' amount of police, 'x' amount of cabs, "x' amount space in schools for students etc etc.

Now that we have had a development / population explosion in the past 20 years, the ratio of the above should have increased to accommodate that increase ... which it has not!

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Reading through the Luis Munoz Redevelopment plan it seems to me that land is zoned for 66 units/acre. If they want to build 400 units there (which I actually wouldn't mind), the city had damn well extract some meaningful neighborhood improvements from the developer.

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This is the biggest reason to leave DTJC, as I did last year after 18 years there. Sad to leave, but I want space and room to breathe. The over-crowding/overbuilding started to get really bad about 5 years ago or so, IMHO. And there are other really great places to live in JC, trust me.


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...Bring on the development! With our location it's inevitable anyways.


I see a disturbing trend. Develoment- no inherent issue with that. Development without community input/engagement- scary! Infrastructure needs to be addressed, especially downtown!

The development process issues seems to be similar to those faced by VVPA and potential development at Bright and Varick Streets.

The process started under Healy and involved providing misleading information to the city council.

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The fact of the matter is that if the property is zoned for the type of building they want to build there isn't a whole lot the local residents can do to change the project. Heck there isn't even a whole lot the city can do if they meet the zoning requirements.

Hopefully the builder is reasonable and wants to work to make a project people like. Community involvement on these projects is great, often locals have ideas that make it more successful for everyone.

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I should expand on what I wrote earlier. I am completely for building wherever possible without a density requirement. It’s only going to make all our properties more valuable but there are concerns that we all have.

The impact on the services here should not be the developers problem. These developers/condo buyers even with the tax abatements still pay huge amounts of taxes to the city. The city should takes the taxes from this new development and throw that into the rebuilding of the city’s infrastructure. Silverman has done a great job in balancing both architecturally pleasing and neighborhood appropriate buildings. What I am against are buildings that are not architecturally pleasing or built to stand the test of time.

As this city grows so will the jobs that will stay in this city and not everyone will be traveling to NYC. If you look at all the long term projections of this metro area, we are going to grow, there is no stopping it. Our local, state and federal governments’ have to look at how to improve the impacts that will certainly follow.

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- No way in hell should they get a tax abatement




Seriously. Does anyone know if the developer will get an abatement?


Pilots have come before the City Council to be approved. So I highly doubt it will get past this Council. But I could be wrong.

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- No way in hell should they get a tax abatement




Seriously. Does anyone know if the developer will get an abatement?

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Put me in the "more the better" camp with mooby and richieveal. I couldn't care any less about parking. If that means it turns some potential buyers off, so be it. This is an incredibly dense city one mile from the largest city in the country. Surface lots and those horrible parking grarages in the bases of buildings have their place in Charlotte but not here.

We should be striving to be an alternative to Brooklyn, not an alternative to the suburbs or just to become a bedroom community for Manhattan workers. To get there and to get all the amenities that come with it means we need more density and to become more pedestrian friendly.
The PATH still has plenty of capacity. I take the WTC line at 8am every morning and it isn't even near as crowded as even the least crowded NYC subway lines. I know the trains in the evening back from 33rd can be a little rough and weekends are abysmal but thats on the PA to schedule more weekend service.

Bring on the development! With our location it's inevitable anyways.


-Which part of Brooklyn? Brooklyn heights? Park slope? Those neighborhoods are discerning and they don't just say, "bring on more development" without looking at the impact on the community.
Regarding different neighborhoods, Williamsburg waterfront is looking like Newport and downtown Brooklyn and Gowanus have major development pending.
-I think Hamilton park needs to be delicate when it comes to development. I commend what Silverman has done with the neighborhood. Unfortunately, not every developer is Silverman.
I also commend Mayor Fulop for standing up to developers for the embankment park. Preserving the embankment and not allowing it to become another development helps preserve the Hamilton Park integrity.
-In terms of the path, I take WTC from Newport or grove since I'm equidistant. But my husband commutes on the 33rd street train and he refuses to pick it up at Newport since it's so crowded during rush hour (8am).
-Regarding a pedestrian bridge, I believe the plan has a tunnel or pedestrian bridge for Marin.

All that said, I have a feeling it's a done deal with Kuschner and now we have to negotiate with the developer to alleviate the impact.

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The PATH still has plenty of capacity. I take the WTC line at 8am every morning and it isn't even near as crowded as even the least crowded NYC subway lines. I know the trains in the evening back from 33rd can be a little rough and weekends are abysmal but thats on the PA to schedule more weekend service.


I take the WTC path every day around 8:30 from Grove and while it is crowded, there is room and it is no worse than the 4/5/6 train I used to take during rush hour in NYC. Weekends and nice are a little rough, but that can be adressed with more trains.

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+1. This is a good idea. This development is still in the early deliberative phases, nowhere near groundbreaking, so now's the time to start communicating the neighborhood's desires to Councilwoman Osborne, in person or through an association.

Don't forget to communicate with your 3 council members at-large they vote as well you know. Which can make or break it's acceptence.

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Put me in the "more the better" camp with mooby and richieveal. I couldn't care any less about parking. If that means it turns some potential buyers off, so be it. This is an incredibly dense city one mile from the largest city in the country. Surface lots and those horrible parking grarages in the bases of buildings have their place in Charlotte but not here.

We should be striving to be an alternative to Brooklyn, not an alternative to the suburbs or just to become a bedroom community for Manhattan workers. To get there and to get all the amenities that come with it means we need more density and to become more pedestrian friendly.

The PATH still has plenty of capacity. I take the WTC line at 8am every morning and it isn't even near as crowded as even the least crowded NYC subway lines. I know the trains in the evening back from 33rd can be a little rough and weekends are abysmal but thats on the PA to schedule more weekend service.

Bring on the development! With our location it's inevitable anyways.

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A pedestrian overpass over Marin is the most immediate need on your list. A pedestrian overpass is necessary now (in my mind) in order to speed up things for both cars and pedestrians. Having a large residential building smack dab on Marin between 8th and 9th street makes the pedestrian bridge even more necessary.


+1. This is a good idea. This development is still in the early deliberative phases, nowhere near groundbreaking, so now's the time to start communicating the neighborhood's desires to Councilwoman Osborne, in person or through an association.

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A pedestrian overpass over Marin is the most immediate need on your list. A pedestrian overpass is necessary now (in my mind) in order to speed up things for both cars and pedestrians. Having a large residential building smack dab on Marin between 8th and 9th street makes the pedestrian bridge even more necessary.

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JC is one of the densest cities in the country so if space and room to breathe are priorities you should probably be looking elsewhere.

So what should the residents be asking for with this development?

- A pedestrian overpass of Marin?
- A park/plaza (donations to start on the Embankment?)
- No way in hell should they get a tax abatement

I'm sure there are some other, better ideas. I'm not worried about parking, it's coming with a deck and the city is already denying permits for people who live in a building with parking.

I know water/transportation, but there's really not a lot a single developer can do there. Maybe the city should start a dedicated fund for improvements paid for by new developments.

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This is the biggest reason to leave DTJC, as I did last year after 18 years there. Sad to leave, but I want space and room to breathe. The over-crowding/overbuilding started to get really bad about 5 years ago or so, IMHO. And there are other really great places to live in JC, trust me.

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PATH needs to address overcrowding on trains.



We aren't anywhere near overcrowding on trains. We need to start being more strategic in getting people on board. ie. japan.

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Increased density is a good thing for DTJC IF the city can get developers to help pay for sewer upgrades, off street parking options, road improvements, etc.

PATH needs to address overcrowding on trains.

Development without changing JC's infrastructure will lower quality of life...

If the infrustructure cannot be changed then you have reached your limit. The PATH tunnels cannot not be made wider so the width of the train must remain the same, and the speed is at it's safest point for rush hour which regualtes the frequency of the trains.

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Build, build and build some more!! I just want well built aesthetically pleasing buildings. The restaurants, schools, etc.. will only get better with the professionals that will move in.

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Increased density is a good thing for DTJC IF the city can get developers to help pay for sewer upgrades, off street parking options, road improvements, etc.

PATH needs to address overcrowding on trains.

Development without changing JC's infrastructure will lower quality of life...

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Maybe we're being overwhelmed, but projects like these are part of the reason Hamilton Park was cleaned up, they are why we now have new and better dining options, why there are a ton of new business catering to children and families, why we have farmer's markets at the Grove St plaza (or even have a Grove St plaza).

I'm all for getting all the green space and community benefits we can from developers, but I'm not opposed to adding density downtown. The increased density has brought huge benefits to the community that, IMO, outweigh the downside by a lot.

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maybe it is time for all downtown to band together to put a stop to development that increases more density without planned infrastructure, transportation, parking, parks and green spaces, etc.

We are being overwhelmed from one end of our Historic Districts to the other.

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The complex will be on the 9th street park on Marin and the parking lots on the 9th street side. The footprint looks like an "L"
There will be a small park between Unico and the new building. There will be 2 stories of parking lots and 12 stories of residential buildings.
After my original post, I was able to run over and see the plan briefly. The developer already bought the land. And what I've heard, it's a done deal since that block is already zoned.
The whole thing is pretty sad considering all the other impending development in the area. It will deplete the already strained community resources and add more congestion. Also, I found the whole project very uninspired.

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Can't see them doing this project any other way than knocking down Unico tower. Word is they are planning not only the 400 unit residential tower but a hotel as well.

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Did anyone see the plans? KRE is also involved in 18Park in Liberty Harbor, which has about the same number of units (422) but is a full-block project. Where would this development go? Are they proposing knocking down the Unico tower or using the land in the 9th Street park???

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