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How did you know the deal on that property was 2009? The tenants are just talking about it now. I don't think they knew.

They should think about the PATH train now, not later. Or make more Water Taxi's now or create a bridge where people can walk, bike, drive, take public transportation.

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Rentals, not condos

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about **** time!!! been waiting forever for something to happen.

will those be condos or rentals?

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Jersey City is not even at peak population. Weren't there far more people taking the PATH in the 1930's peak?


Yes.. but it was spread out over a 24 hour period. In the 1930's, Manhattan and Jersey City were heavy in manufacturing. You had workers going to/from work over three shifts. Now you have the bulk of the people going to/from work in 2.5 hour windows 5 days per week.

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Jersey City is not even at peak population. Weren't there far more people taking the PATH in the 1930's peak?

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I think the people that are really worried about Path issues with increased population density are overreacting a bit.

Give Jersey City, or at least Mayor Fulop, some credit. They have thought about this stuff. At the very least, they have thought about it a little bit.

Maybe I'm naive, but as the population in JC continues to boom, and it becomes more affluent, Port Authority will be forced to make continuous upgrades. It will happen.

I just really hope that the scheduled date of 2017 for the signal upgrade is moderately accurate.

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The transportation issue is a bit a red herring. Lets assume the PATH doesn't ever upgrade its signal system and therefore has no increase in capacity. There are other future options...

There is an available defunct rail right-of-way that could bring the HBLR to JSQ or near it via the old Erie cut (Bergen Arches). That could peel off commuters who are going to jobs on the Jersey side of the Hudson.

If there are enough upper income people commuting to Midtown and Lower Manhattan, would it then be profitable for NY Waterway to expand its shuttle bus service from JSQ to its ferries?


Expanded bus service to the Port Authority terminal by NJ Transit or private operators?

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Yes, tie development of the city to the Port Authority. Make a developing, growing, booming city slow down until an organization that took 6 months to get its system back to capacity, that last added a stop when the Soviet Union was America's biggest threat, gets it act together.

It only makes sense. How can we have people on our subways standing, like a bunch of New Yorkers, Chicagoans, or Londoners. Jersey City is more like a Colts Neck.

We can't have these people spending $400,000 on condominiums and 7k+ in taxes in our city. We simply can't handle their business at this time. Best they go to Brooklyn, a place whose popularity has brought ruinous stories of people standing on subways and waiting for restaurants.

Keep your Whole Foods, Brooklyn! We in Jersey City say NO to further affluence. We are quite happy waiting 20 minutes at the Shop Rite check out. We like the idea that you can walk outside our local courthouse and find a plethora of dollar stores and the finest of dining at McDonalds and White Castle.

I simply dread the though of my property values increasing when my city is better associated with Hoboken and lower Manhattan, and less Elizabeth and Newark, and being forced to endure the vapors on public transport!

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Yvonne, how are additional stations going to help with the overcrowding inside trains? What the PATH needs is to extend the existing platforms, so the trains can expand to 10 cars. Even that may be too little too late, as such a project will likely take several years to complete.

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I knew some people who became ill on the PATH system after Hurricane Sandy, it was difficult to handle the overcrowding then. A neighbor couldn't breathe, got off at Christopher Street just to get air. There should be an additional stations on the PATH system before these buildings are in Journal Square.

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By the way, one doesn't get years notice, one has to get approved for the new development and who knows if it will be official or not. Look what happened at the lot by the fountain in JSQ. Those people were pushed out not paid out. They shut the water on them and did a bunch of things to get them out of there faster and now the land is empty.



FYI the deal was made on your property in 2009. Leases were not renewed. Approvals or not, the owner was given 2 yrs to vacate, the approvals, political changes (Solomon Dweck) delayed things. The owner was compensated for lost rent as apartments were vacated. If you didn't get a few years notice, then you are one of a very few, if not the only one.

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Regardless, journal square deserves to be a clean, welcoming business hub. So much potential wasted over the past 30 years.

The developments are very exciting!

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Thanks for the video laughs. I bet it probably will look like that in 2020. I think it's sick. I wouldn't want to live like that.

As I mentioned before if you read my first post - I'm not against the development my concern was for the working class people that are being forced out. I'm wondering where are they supposed to live. Does that mean they have to live in the ghetto? What's wrong with being concerned about my (nice and hard working) neighbors.

And yes I did make that post for the TT because I wouldn't want to be clustered in the new building holding over 1800 people situated on top of a train station. Do you realize that you wouldn't even have to leave the building to go inside the PATH? Personally, not my cup of tea. I'm sure it will be a matter of time when they want to knock down my building to continue developing in this area. With that in mind I don't see anything wrong with planning to live someplace nice like TT. It seems more professional than other places I've seen.

By the way, one doesn't get years notice, one has to get approved for the new development and who knows if it will be official or not. Look what happened at the lot by the fountain in JSQ. Those people were pushed out not paid out. They shut the water on them and did a bunch of things to get them out of there faster and now the land is empty.

9/11 did change things. Don't be in denial.


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Oh no, you mean journal square is one day going to become inhabitable again? You mean it's really going to realize its full potential and become a welcoming business district?

No, please say it isn't so! We have slumlords and drug dealers to think of!! Where in the world will they all go???

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"If you're a renter, do you honestly believe the mere presence of these towers is going to drive rents around JSQ up so dramatically that you'll be forced to move? That, to me, seems extremely unlikely. Sure, in a best case scenario, JSQ gets completely turned around and, inevitably, rents rise. But we're talking about a slow progression over years or a decade."

Yes, I believe that the rents will drive up dramatically. There is a lot of planned construction in the area.

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I am glad this is happening. The Journal Square area is a dump and has the potential of being something like the Downtown area now. I moved to McGinley Square recently but after six months I moved to Grove St. As a young professional I wanted more amenities and things to do around me.

I look forward to seeing the growth!

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It wouldn't bother you that you have to leave the conveniences of being next to work etc....

If I was the tenant, sure, I'd be upset. Who wouldn't?

However, that's part of life. Renting an apartment does not guarantee you will be able to live there forever, or that the neighborhood won't change.

I don't see why it is impossible for those individuals to move somewhere nearby. As far as I know, rent and/or home prices in JSQ haven't skyrocketed beyond control over the past few years. Those residents should be able to find housing without too much trouble.

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Whoa.

But in any case, for those of you who were worrying about the 5-story residential building being torn down in the near future, don't be. That building and the neighboring 5-story office building probably won't be torn down until KRE is ready to start construction on the third phase of this project. And that probably won't happen for at least six years (if we have another recession by then, maybe it would be more like 8-10 years from now).

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Newport station in 2020...


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Journal Square PATH Station in the year 2020...


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"If you're a renter, do you honestly believe the mere presence of these towers is going to drive rents around JSQ up so dramatically that you'll be forced to move? That, to me, seems extremely unlikely. Sure, in a best case scenario, JSQ gets completely turned around and, inevitably, rents rise. But we're talking about a slow progression over years or a decade."

Yes, I believe that the rents will drive up dramatically. There is a lot of planned construction in the area.

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Like I said, I'm for developing the area, but it gets ridiculous sometimes that hard working people need to leave. (I'm not talking about ghetto minded crackheads. I know these things happen but it probably doesn't happen to people like you. I'm just saying, if you lost your house or apartment or even your job - that affects you and where you will have to relocate. Then it would bother you.

I guess you think you are exempt. This can happen to anyone. You should count your blessings.


I honestly don't get your gripe. The handful of people who lived where these towers are going were compensated, not forced out. If you think the condos are out of your price range-- don't move into one. If you own in the area and think the towers will drive up property values-- congratulations, you're in line for a windfall.

If you're a renter, do you honestly believe the mere presence of these towers is going to drive rents around JSQ up so dramatically that you'll be forced to move? That, to me, seems extremely unlikely. Sure, in a best case scenario, JSQ gets completely turned around and, inevitably, rents rise. But we're talking about a slow progression over years or a decade.

So sure, if JSQ turns around, it will become more expensive. Not to be harsh, but welcome to reality. As places become nicer and more desirable, they become a little more expensive. Would you prefer that the area stays the way it is?

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This would be my preference:

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Like I said, I'm for developing the area, but it gets ridiculous sometimes that hard working people need to leave. (I'm not talking about ghetto minded crackheads. I know these things happen but it probably doesn't happen to people like you. I'm just saying, if you lost your house or apartment or even your job - that affects you and where you will have to relocate. Then it would bother you.

I guess you think you are exempt. This can happen to anyone. You should count your blessings.

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Well, lets say you were living in area that was decent and stable and close to transportation for many years with no intent on leaving. Now someone (an owner, the city, someone that makes decisions over your head) tells you that you have to leave (for whatever reason).

It wouldn't bother you that you have to leave the conveniences of being next to work, transportation supermarket, etc so that someone else can enjoy it while you have to go searching for another place to live that's out of your market range? It's not so much the new people, but the fact that you got to pick up and leave and can't even stay in the proximity of the neighborhood so they can have those privileges.

Honestly.


dude, are you living in america? If you bought in JSquare years ago then you get to be there no matter what (unless the govt claims eminent domain).....these new towers will increase your property value 100x because of the new business it will bring to the area.

This isn't China where the govt can just give you a few cents and take your home...

if you are a renter, the agreement is usually year to year. There is no promise that you will always be able to afford it. That is NOT what a LEASE is....The owner did not FORCE you to sign the lease...

Getting to your original question, no this does not bother me at all. People like YOU bother me. There is NO RIGHT to live in the same area forever. Gosh, no wonder JSquare took so long to develop...I mean, the logic on this board sometime...


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I'm glad to see development happen but can something be done about the proposed towers in J.sq? I know the city can't tell developers how their buildings should look but come on. You would think spending hundreds of millions of dollars would get something better looking than this

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Can Pavonia/Newport accommodate 10 cars?
What about Christopher St, 9th St, 14th street and 23rd street? I don't think so. I currently count 7 or 8 cars max.

If one is to develop for improvements, we should not have to deal with certain doors not opening. That was before 9/11. The catastrophic events of 9/11 changed everything. I don't know how many people will feel comfortable with doors not opening (I'm not). What if there's an emergency and we have to get out the train? Those issues should be addressed as they have development in mind, since this is why people are moving closer to the trains. All exit doors should open.


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The Newark-WTC line can be expanded with 10 car trains on the trains. Right now the only station that can't accommodate it is Grove Street. But expanding the station is feasible, and in any event the Port Authority could do what they did with Exchange Place before 9/11 (simply not open the first 2 doors at that stop).

JSQ - 33rd is stuck with what we already have.

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Well, PATH isn't MTA. It's not that fast. Even if they were to add more cars, the doors won't be able to open (they will still be inside the tunnel without access to a platform). You'd have to walk through the cars to get out at a platform - and you know how no one wants to move or those who leave their backpacks on.

Think Christopher St, when you're at the last car. You have a thin ledge by the wall as you try to leave or enter. OR you would have to be in the middle cars (to avoid the cars where the doors won't open) and it's already packed as it is.

That will affect Grove street. The train might pass right by and not even stop with announcements telling you there's another train right behind that one as you grow hot and impatient.

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The PATH is already crowded at Grove. What's going happen when those new units are built at JSQ? Will frequency increase?



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Yup. McLaughlin said no thanks. They wanted their parking lot too and they said no.


I don't think the PATH is prepared.

People will move here for the PATH and be stressed out that they can't even line up for the train. They will have to let a train or even two pass by before they can get on an actual train, for like, the 33rd Street train. It will defeat the whole purpose of why to live there. Almost makes you want to live in NYC where there is more affordable middle income housing - the thing is - it takes years to be on a list and the New Yorker's get first dibs.


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No, this is 3 towers. One tower will be 50' high, another 60' and the other 70'. It will be a total of about 1,840 units - something like that. The developer is KRE.

See the image here: http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... -change-the-neighborhood/

This is supposed to be the tallest building in JC. It's called J2 (Journal Squared).

You might be thinking of the one by the fountain that has been an empty lot for years. That's a different developer.
If it's the tallest in JC, then it would also be the tallest in the state, I guess.

It would be nice to see these towers I guess, but dang, do we need to expand the PATH and light rail to handle all these new people.

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