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The city of Jersey City faces many challenges and people want answers.
The police chief and mayor have been meeting with neighborhood groups to provide plans to combat crime. The Board of Education wants input in the selection of the next superintendent of schools. Hospital officials are reassuring residents that for-profit hospitals will still provide quality health care.
But some people are asking what the churches are doing to make a better Jersey City. And one of them is Keisy Oviedo, 16, an eleventh grade student from University Charter School on West Side Avenue and born-again believer.
As she rode one day on the 88 bus along Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive and saw many churches on Jersey City streets, she wondered if they are having any impact on the quality of life. So she decided to enlist other church members and form a group that would prepare a march through the streets of Jersey City. Thus was born, “God Belongs In My City” (GBIMC) movement.
And last Saturday several hundred church members marched from one end of the city to the other and stopped along the way for prayer and witness. “In a loving way we were showing our faith along the way,” said Daniel Gurry, 27, from Urban Mission Church on Newark Avenue across from Dickinson High School and an organizer of the parade. He was happy that people stopped their cars and got out and people came out from the businesses to meet the marchers and cheer them on.
Most of them were positive, but some were not happy. They stopped in front of a fast food restaurant along MLK Drive where they believed drugs were peddled on the street corners and, according to Gurry, “some people were getting upset because they were trying to conduct (drug) business” and the marchers were disrupting it.
“We were asking God to flood this community with spirit to transform it,” said Gurry, a ninth grade English teacher at Jose Marti Middle School in Union City.
Oviedo selected other spots that she and others believed needed some prayer. The corner of Belmont and Bergen she believed “is a dangerous spot” and they also stopped at the Montgomery Housing Projects where she said, “There is a lot of violence and silent crimes.”
Yet they wanted to highlight the Burger King Restaurant on Bergen and Montgomery because it is a gathering place for all members of community. Starting from 63rd Street and Kennedy Boulevard at the Bayonne border, they veered over to MLK Drive to Montgomery Street and then down to City Hall where they ended. The organizers did not reach out to any elected officials and none met them there.
The marchers knelt down in prayer and sang prayers. Gurry said there were new friendships and relationships formed.
GBIMC was formed in New York City last year in response to an ad that was run by a group of atheists professing their distaste of religion. In response, a group of born-again believers lead by Jack Redman, pastor of Spirit of Christ Tabernacle in Montclair, and others had a genuine desire to see Jesus’ love demonstrated through the unity of believers beyond the confines of a building. So they scheduled a parade in New York.
Gurry said that many other American cities have also taken the idea and organized under the umbrella of GBIMC. “This is a movement, not an isolated incident,” said Gurry, “and we are going to continue linking churches together.” They believe that what they do inside church has to impact life outside.

Santora is the pastor of Church of Our Lady of Grace & St. Joseph, 400 Willow Ave., Hoboken, 07030, (201) 659-0369, fax (201) 659-5833, e-mail: padrealex@yahoo.com
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You know where God belongs? In your church, or in your home. Why must people constantly push their beliefs on others in public spaces?

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You know where God belongs? In your church, or in your home. Why must people constantly push their beliefs on others in public spaces?


Amen to that!!

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I agree! When I first read this story it had the scent of the tea party Every thing that comes out of their mouths is God this God that. One thing I can agree with is drug sales should not be at every fast food place here in the city.

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Unless I am mistaken....they seem to be exercising their constitutional rights. And as far as i know ALL ideas are welcomed in the public square/marketplace no matter what we may think of them as individuals.

If the government was promoting this...then I would have a huge problem with this.

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I'm alright with the parade and prayer all that, but I don't really understand how this epiphany ended with a parade.

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so she decided to organize a parade with people praying? How does that improve the quality of life in Jersey City? I thought she was going to organize street cleanups or charity drives or recreational leagues or something that would actually do something.

They stopped at areas with violence and prayed? Are you freaking kidding me? That's their brilliant idea for improving Jersey City? How about a neighborhood watch and outreach programs or community events? Prayer. Come on, guys.

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If the government was promoting this...then I would have a huge problem with this.


Well said.

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You know where God belongs? In your church, or in your home. Why must people constantly push their beliefs on others in public spaces?


Exactly.

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I rather see the youth praying anytime. Most of JC high school students are smoking pot, or having unprotected sex.

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I respect that they're at least trying to do something to change the culture in the neighborhood.

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I rather see the youth praying anytime. Most of JC high school students are smoking pot, or having unprotected sex.


It's the church that quashes teaching kids about protected sex. Kids are going to have sex... if the church has any sense of common sense about reality, it would encourage the teaching of and the use of contraception.

Of course who ever claimed belief in a mythological "all powerful old man up in the sky who controls everything" was sensible? Oh wait, all you believers.

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I think people are being a bit overly critical on this topic. According to our constitution they have done nothing wrong. All they did was exercise their rights.

We have had parades or marches on a number of issues....and MOST do exactly what these folks did ....which is put one foot after the other and MARCH. The only reason people are getting so worked up is the addition of prayer. If we substituted the action of prayer with a moment of silence....this topic would not even garner a little attention and would soon fade away from the forum section.

One last thing. Most people on here are decent folks and I am sure most of you are surrounded by good people. And you all know how hard it is to get even friends and family organized for a simple get together. The fact that people even carried this off...is commendable.

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This says it all on this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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I think people are being a bit overly critical on this topic. According to our constitution they have done nothing wrong. All they did was exercise their rights.

We have had parades or marches on a number of issues....and MOST do exactly what these folks did ....which is put one foot after the other and MARCH. The only reason people are getting so worked up is the addition of prayer. If we substituted the action of prayer with a moment of silence....this topic would not even garner a little attention and would soon fade away from the forum section.

One last thing. Most people on here are decent folks and I am sure most of you are surrounded by good people. And you all know how hard it is to get even friends and family organized for a simple get together. The fact that people even carried this off...is commendable.


According to rationality, they're doing it wrong.

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.

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This says it all on this topic.

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.



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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.


Bullshit... Atheists have never once asked you not to believe in god. We've never stopped you from partaking in your religion. We've never asked you to contribute to our charities. We've never as a group organized to control your life or to convert you to our belief system. And nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism." We've only asked for one thing, that you simply keep your religions out of a government that belongs to all of us.

I will however give you the fact that there is a good side to religion. It gives people hope, it gives people a reason to be good and in many cases people have used the call of god or the organization to achieve good in this world. But none of that goodness proves the core of religion, that a god actually exists.

"Oh, and if you are going to lay the line on that Hitler and Lenin and Stalin were atheists, that may or may not be true, but what is true, is the only reason they espoused atheism is to quash any religious leadership so the clerics couldn't rally the masses, not because they truly believed in Atheism.

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.
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Recognizing irrationality is being intolerant? Are you tolerant of my belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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Freedom of religion is fine unless it infringes on someone's right to be free of religion.

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.


Hey, Boris, you were actually making a lot of sense on jclist before this post...

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.


Bullshit... Atheists have never once asked you not to believe in god. We've never stopped you from partaking in your religion. We've never asked you to contribute to our charities. We've never as a group organized to control your life or to convert you to our belief system. And nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism." We've only asked for one thing, that you simply keep your religions out of a government that belongs to all of us.

I will however give you the fact that there is a good side to religion. It gives people hope, it gives people a reason to be good and in many cases people have used the call of god or the organization to achieve good in this world. But none of that goodness proves the core of religion, that a god actually exists.

"Oh, and if you are going to lay the line on that Hitler and Lenin and Stalin were atheists, that may or may not be true, but what is true, is the only reason they espoused atheism is to quash any religious leadership so the clerics couldn't rally the masses, not because they truly believed in Atheism.
there are a lot of really dickish atheists out there. Like those guys that buy billboards and bus advertisements . Or like people that comment on messageboards about fairy tales and make believe men in the sky.

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I think people need to go back and read the original post. I still can't see what wrong these folks have done. I am pretty sure they were law abiding when doing their marching and praying. And they didn't advocate any hate or something vile.

In reference to someone asking about the status of certain historical figures.... Hitler.... is much debated. He mixed many beliefs together(Christianity, Old Norse Myth, Pagan) to add to Nazi beliefs and symbols. Whether he believed in this or was using it as purely propaganda, I don't know.

Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky and most of the Communists were definitely atheists.

Pol Pot was an atheist.
Slobodan Milošević was an atheist.


It isn't religion or atheism that is a problem....it's man.

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Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.


Bullshit... Atheists have never once asked you not to believe in god. We've never stopped you from partaking in your religion. We've never asked you to contribute to our charities. We've never as a group organized to control your life or to convert you to our belief system. And nobody has ever killed in the name of Atheism." We've only asked for one thing, that you simply keep your religions out of a government that belongs to all of us.

I will however give you the fact that there is a good side to religion. It gives people hope, it gives people a reason to be good and in many cases people have used the call of god or the organization to achieve good in this world. But none of that goodness proves the core of religion, that a god actually exists.

"Oh, and if you are going to lay the line on that Hitler and Lenin and Stalin were atheists, that may or may not be true, but what is true, is the only reason they espoused atheism is to quash any religious leadership so the clerics couldn't rally the masses, not because they truly believed in Atheism.
there are a lot of really dickish atheists out there. Like those guys that buy billboards and bus advertisements . Or like people that comment on messageboards about fairy tales and make believe men in the sky.



As dickish as those guys?

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there are a lot of really dickish atheists out there. Like those guys that buy billboards and bus advertisements . Or like people that comment on messageboards about fairy tales and make believe men in the sky.


Those atheist billboards aren't really any different than the billboards quoting God or advertising Jesus saves. Its a way of reaching out to atheists, particularly in closed communities, or of encouraging people who are questioning their religious beliefs but need a little extra help to figure it out.

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unfortunately, many people who call themselves Atheists are actually anti-religion, and not Atheists. There is a difference.



And frankly, i've received MUCH more aggressive comments from so-called "atheists" vehemently attacking all religion than I ever have from any peer I know who actually goes to church, temple, or mosque.

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Well if you think you have to be an atheist to commit atrocities, it was refreshing to hear William Lane Craig's defense of the Israelite genocide of the Canaanites. He claimed that the only people that might have really been harmed by this were the Israelite soldiers that had to carry out God's orders to kill all the Canaanite men, women and children.

Nice one, Bill! No wonder they call it apologetics.

It's perfectly OK to commit genocide as long as you do it in God's name.

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Following a Religion and believing in their fairy tales shows that you are mentally challenged. Scientology, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Moonieism, Mormonism; they're all the same. They are crutches for people who can't comprehend the complexity and randomness of the world and need someone to tell them that the world has meaning. Religion is a crutch for people who can't make up their own mind on right from wrong. It's a tool for megalomaniacs to control people and extract their money and soul. It's a grand, evil lie.

If you believe, you are weak of mind. If you follow, you might be dangerous. If you are a missionary, you are doing the devil's work.

Keep your crazy off our streets.

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Following a Religion and believing in their fairy tales shows that you are mentally challenged. Scientology, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Moonieism, Mormonism; they're all the same. They are crutches for people who can't comprehend the complexity and randomness of the world and need someone to tell them that the world has meaning. Religion is a crutch for people who can't make up their own mind on right from wrong. It's a tool for megalomaniacs to control people and extract their money and soul. It's a grand, evil lie.

If you believe, you are weak of mind. If you follow, you might be dangerous. If you are a missionary, you are doing the devil's work.

Keep your crazy off our streets.


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