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stillinjc wrote:
FERC is nothing but a bunch of terrorists and traitors, and unfortunately, they are winning...

Let's be real here, they're simply the same industry captive bureaucrats that regulate wall street or mining or any other industry, that has a revolving door and sweet relations with their regulator. FERC has actually been a hero to the river conservation community for removing dams recently, and they made regulations friendly to whitewater interests by insisting that recreational dam releases be a priority for hydo-electric operators.

But they're really screwing the pooch here. There's been other times when a project was obviously wrong but no one could legally stop it. Robert Moses wanted to build a Brooklyn-Battery bridge rather than a tunnel, and it took FDR making up a fib about it threatening the security of the Naval Yards to stop him.

Yeah, I was kinda venting by calling them terrorists and traitors. But to dtjcview's point, you now have tank cars filled with chlorine gas going alongside a huge gas pipeline, underneath the Turnpike, next to US Army Reseve Center at Caven Point, and schools.

Am I (and dtjcview) the only ones who can connect the dots here?

This is insane.

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stillinjc wrote:
FERC is nothing but a bunch of terrorists and traitors, and unfortunately, they are winning...

Let's be real here, they're simply the same industry captive bureaucrats that regulate wall street or mining or any other industry, that has a revolving door and sweet relations with their regulator. FERC has actually been a hero to the river conservation community for removing dams recently, and they made regulations friendly to whitewater interests by insisting that recreational dam releases be a priority for hydo-electric operators.

But they're really screwing the pooch here. There's been other times when a project was obviously wrong but no one could legally stop it. Robert Moses wanted to build a Brooklyn-Battery bridge rather than a tunnel, and it took FDR making up a fib about it threatening the security of the Naval Yards to stop him.

stillinjc wrote:
FERC is nothing but a bunch of terrorists and traitors, and unfortunately, they are winning...

dtjcview wrote:
My message to FERC...


You are an apologist for energy companies. You use EPA statements to back up your claims of safety, but don't consider NTSB standards. The nice thing about your approval of the Spectra NJ/NY Gas pipeline, is that you've pretty much signed FERC's own death warrant. Any attack on this pipeline, will KILL you as a governing organization. You have just approved building a gas pipeline alongside railtracks that carry chlorine gas beside Jersey City schools. Are you out of your minds?

Goodbye FERC. You are dead :)

stillinjc wrote:

BS.

Obama ran on a promise that he will do things differently.

Has he (other than lip service, of course)?

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Whose government is FERC part of?

Yeah, it's all Republicans' fault.

When will we as a nation move past the ridiculous Republican/Democrat nonsense? Business buys politicians. Republican politicians. Democrat politicans. I'm sure if the Strawberry Jello party were to get up and running, business would buy their politicians as well. FERC is an industry rubber stamp now, just as it was under Bush. Banking regulations are too weak now, just as they were under Bush (and Clinton). Bush gutted the SEC and Obama lacks the (will? courage? conscience?) to do anything about it. None of this has anything to do with where Obama was born or that 9/11 was an inside job - or whatever FOX and/or MSNBC feed you to keep you "informed."

stillinjc wrote:

Whose government is FERC part of?

Yeah, it's all Republicans' fault.

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No, its Spectra Energy, staffed at the top by greedy Republicans who don't care about people so their greed to improve shareholder value to beat their 34% growth has them pushing to spend almost $60 million a mile to build a pipeline the US doesn't need as even the Natural Gas Association admits there is a glut of gas. No, this is all about Spectra Energy in Houston, Texas not Obama.

Yes, there is a glut of gas, natural gas liquids, and oil (out west in the Dakotas). There is a profound shortage in pipeline capacity. Gas is being flared off because there isn\'t the pipeline capacity to get it to market. Gas is also a byproduct of oil drilling. Per a study by GE, flared off gas around the world is almost equal to 1/4 of all natural gas consumption in the USA.

The Spectra pipeline is one of many currently under construction, under expansion, or in the planning stages. Want proof? Do a quick news web search on gas and liquid pipelines. Keystone and Spectra have a lot of company.

If what you stated above is correct, then Spectra will be building a pipeline that will have no demand and will lose money. This is NOT the case. Pipeline, storage, and other midstream operations are making money because there is more demand than capacity.

NY and NJ are and have actively promoting natural gas as an alternative to new power plants, oil, and coal.

NYC is phasing out No. 6 and No. 4 oil. Those big commercial boilers are being replaced with natural gas. In addition, NYSERDA has been promoting new gas burning equipment including CHP (engines / turbines that burn gas to make electricity and heat). Gas consumption is going up and will continue to go up, straining capacity of existing lines that feed both NJ and NY.

Retail consumers don't notice pipeline capacity issues because large industrial / commercial consumers get their gas supplies 'interrupted' during high load periods, in order to keep the heat on in residential homes. This was an issue talked about by the engineers at PSE&G during the Standard Offer program (money paid to large consumers to burn more natural gas and use less electricity) because the pipeline capacity in the NYC metro area was at capacity during cold weather. This was almost 10 years ago. The capacity issues are getting worse:

*PSE&G is phasing out its older coal powered plants. Their new plants are all largely natural gas fired. Over 1/2 the electricity generated in the state are from some very old nuclear plants. As those plants are phased out, there will be a massive increase in natural gas consumption to make power.

*Solar and wind has increased the need for backup capacity. That reserve is in the form a natural gas fired
'peaking' turbines (you can see them from the Pulaski Skyway off of Fishhouse road).

*The NJ BPU just put forward a new CHP program for NJ. I guarantee you a lot of big energy user are going to take advantage.

*Say's law: Production creates its own demand. The glut of natural gas has the chemical industry re-tooling to use gas (ammonia, methanol, anti-freeze, are just a few chemicals derives from natural gas).

*Manufactured gas plants are all long gone. PSE&G, Con-Ed, and other utilities can no longer make producer gas. The gas the makes your heat, hot water, and keeps the lights on must be transported in from the Gulf, Canada, Ohio, and Appalachia.

*The technology to turn natural gas into gasoline, lubricants, and diesel fuel improved drastically over the past few years. GTL (gas to liquid) plants are now planned for Louisiana and one is already shipping product to the USA from Qatar. IMO, it is only a matter of time before some of the big refiners in the Mid Atlantic (Hess, Bayway) add on GTL to their facilities.

Without an increase in capacity, at some point, during some REALLY cold weather, your gas service may not be there and the lights could go out as well.

Now as much as many of you hate the idea of another gas pipeline coming into the area.. the alternatives of not having those new pipelines could be much much worse.

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Rorschach wrote:
nObama, Odumba, Democraps .. you right wing troglodytes are so clever. How sad that this country may soon be in the hands of Romney, Fox News and the Tea Party.

Well, it is Obama who is sticking this pipeline up your arse, isn't it?

No, its Spectra Energy, staffed at the top by greedy Republicans who don't care about people so their greed to improve shareholder value to beat their 34% growth has them pushing to spend almost $60 million a mile to build a pipeline the US doesn't need as even the Natural Gas Association admits there is a glut of gas. No, this is all about Spectra Energy in Houston, Texas not Obama.

We knew from day one 2.5 years ago that FERC is full of oil and gas hacks who couldn't get an ambassadorship so get named to a K Street swinging commission full of those who one day serve as head of FERC then next day serve on the board of Spectra or it's subsidiaries. Only the naive didn't see this coming.

JC_Man wrote:
MDM - bravo - great points. Too bad all the libs on this site aren't smart enough to see the need for this gas - it will be used unlike the millions wasted on Obama pet projects like Solyndra that just wasted tax payer's money, but got Obama $3,000/plate donations when he was in NYC fundraising (uh, official Presidential visit, wink, wink).

No, its Spectra Energy, staffed at the top by greedy Republicans who don't care about people so their greed to improve shareholder value to beat their 34% growth has them pushing to spend almost $60 million a mile to build a pipeline the US doesn't need as even the Natural Gas Association admits there is a glut of gas. No, this is all about Spectra Energy in Houston, Texas not Obama.

Well, it is Obama who is sticking this pipeline up your arse, isn't it?

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No, its Spectra Energy, staffed at the top by greedy Republicans who don't care about people so their greed to improve shareholder value to beat their 34% growth has them pushing to spend almost $60 million a mile to build a pipeline the US doesn't need as even the Natural Gas Association admits there is a glut of gas. No, this is all about Spectra Energy in Houston, Texas not Obama.

We knew from day one 2.5 years ago that FERC is full of oil and gas hacks who couldn't get an ambassadorship so get named to a K Street swinging commission full of those who one day serve as head of FERC then next day serve on the board of Spectra or it's subsidiaries. Only the naive didn't see this coming.

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Rorschach wrote:
nObama, Odumba, Democraps .. you right wing troglodytes are so clever. How sad that this country may soon be in the hands of Romney, Fox News and the Tea Party.

Well, it is Obama who is sticking this pipeline up your arse, isn't it?

Rorschach wrote:
nObama, Odumba, Democraps .. you right wing troglodytes are so clever. How sad that this country may soon be in the hands of Romney, Fox News and the Tea Party.

JC_Man wrote:
Great News!! More jobs and cheaper energy - what AMERICA needs! (despite the efforts of Odumba and the Democraps)

JC_Man wrote:
Great News!! More jobs and cheaper energy - what AMERICA needs! (despite the efforts of Odumba and the Democraps)