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This is some of what I remember...

The Bones...and they were not a mythical gang...I know people who were attacked by the bones.

Sandler’s on Ocean Avenue for converse sneakers, gym shorts for boys and the one piece blue gym suits for girls.

Sodano’s Live Poultry Shop on Ocean Avenue near Gates Avenue

Two Guys on Route 440

Great Eastern on 440 near the Roosevelt Drive-in

The Bookmobile

The Showmobile

The Greenville Avenue bus when they were Green

The Bergen Avenue bus when they were Orange

The Central Avenue Bus when they were Brown

The Blvd Bus when it was Gray

The Montgomery Avenue Bus when it was Maroon

The Red and Tan Bus Line

Bay Cinema at City Line Plaza

Bay Drugs at City Line Plaza

Bayonne Pool on the Blvd

Journal square when you had to catch the busses outside because the Path Center had not yet been built

Robert Hall on Route 440

King Lincoln Mercury at Seaview Avenue and the Blvd.

When the apartment buildings on Merritt Street were considered better than those on Heckman Drive

Chips Grocery Store at Heckman Drive and Old Bergen Road

The old Italian guy who would sell vegetables and fruit on his small flatbed truck

Zimp’s Kitchen

Milt's Liquors in the Lafayette Section

Gino’s Featuring Kentucky Fried Chicken

Whimpy

Johnson’s Barber Shop on Ege Avenue

Call Me G’s on Jackson Avenue

Casino in the Park

Shop Rite on 440 before it became a Rickle’s.

Lorsch 5th Avenue at Journal Sq. Trust Bldg

Sound Machine (Record Shop on the Blvd near the Square)

The Orange Store (Candy Store on Gates Avenue across the street from PS 40)

The 99-S Bus

Brook Valley Day Camp

Finast Grocery Store on Ocean Avenue across from Bayview Cemetery

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Brummers was located in the Junction area where Communipaw Avenue meets Grand Street...


Brummer's was great. My grandparents would take me. I'd usually get a root beer float, and a sundae was a special treat. The were also a candy store, some of which was homemade.

When I heard it was closing I went back for a last visit - bittersweet. A lovely place and great memories.

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Several memories. One maybe someone can remember:
I vaguely remember between Oakland Avenue and Cook Street where now is a huge parking lot...there was a gully, a bid deep crater. In it were several rows of army-style buildings in which Black Families lived. It was bulldozed and now a parking lot for over ....55 years? Was I hallucinating or was it really there?
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Other Memories, THE GOOD: Fisher Beer was the 5 & 10 next to the State Theater.
The huge vacant lot between Summit Ave and JFK (formerly HUDSON) Blvd. Only the library and one St. John's Apts. building was there, between them...it looked like Hiroshima after the blast for a few years in the early 1960's around the time Kennedy was shot.
ACME Super Market on Hoboken and Summit Aves. where the Hudson Bank drive-in now stands.

The Rosewood Malt Shop on Bergen Ave. near Vroom ST. had swastika tyles on the floor (obviously put there long before Hitler)

Bickford's on the Square and the McGinley Square Bus Station(where the tramps hung out inside who looked like out've the Great Depression).
Coward Shoes
Thorne's Women's where owned by a former Czech movie star prior to WW 2.

The Pix Theater Saturday Matinees which showed movies later put on CHILLER THEATER on t.v.
Other Memories: THE BAD:

The Jersey Journal use to print "A Negro" if someone arrested was Black. They'd put his name, the above , his age and address. They didn't do it for any other race. They continued to do it until I think Dr. King was killed(old Microfilms at the Jersey Ave. library will prove what I say).

Kids with "funny names" that weren't Irish or Italian were open-targets for bullies. Even in the Catholic Schools. When the first Black kid came to our Catholic school (I won't say the name to avoid embarassment-you'll know which one!) the other kids jumped on him like paranas. I don't recall what happened to him. His first name was Joseph and the last name started with a T.. That's all I'll share.

Other Meories: THE UGLY:

If you were suspected to be gay in Jersey City of the Old Days you had as much of a chance as a Hassidic Jew in 1940 Berlin. Now Jersey City was ranked #3 in the state for Gay Friendly.


The Jersey Journal use to print Sodomy arrests and "suspected homosexuals" arrested on suspicion, their names and addresses in the paper. Again, check the microfilms.
Neighborhoods had "color lines" usually enforced by some checker-shirted Archie Bunker who lived on the street who hoisted the Star Spangled Banner every morning on his porch). I was told once that a little kid I invited to the wading pool in my yard had to go away because "a neighbor complained I violated the color line" to my parents.
He was a dark-complexioned Hispanic*(*that made it even worse). ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jersey City, like any place in the country or the world, has its good memories and bad. These are part of our history. What is important is what we've become and we're a vibrant multi-cultured and welcoming city now. We are not a "little red neck town frozen in the 1950's" as some New Yorkers said about us back then.
I love Jersey City and am also a historian.
Final note, a foundation of one of the towering beams for the old trolley tressle to Hoboken is still under the State Highway ramp to the Holland Tunnel, know where it is?


What you wrote is interesting. There were several people on FB's "We Grew Up in Jersey City" web page trying to convince me that ethnic relations in the '40s & '50s were great. I didn't believe them especially after reading Helen Stapinski's book "Five Finger Discount" in which she wrote about the ethnic division in JC in the early '60s & prior to this time.

I had been trying to recall the name of the 5&10 store which was next to the State Theater. Fisher Beer was still at that location in the mid-'70s, wasn't it? I lived in JC from July of '74 to June of '75.


According to photos in the book, "Jersey City 1940-1960: The Dan McNulty Collection", a Fisher Beer store was located near the State Theater in the '50s. The store that I had seen which was near the State Theater in the mid '70s was most likely another store since a Fisher Beer store may no longer have existed at that location at that time.

This 1972 photo shows Kennedy Boulevard near Journal Square.

(State Theater, Rags to Riches, Joyce Leslie, Moriel’s, Lynns, Kitty Kelly & Danny Mack shoe stores) http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?656

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Where was the Woolworth store in Journal Square located? Was it near the State Theater? I remember going to a department store which was near the State Theater in the mid '70s. The store was probably Woolworth, Lynns or Moriel's.


Woolworth was near the old Hudson Tubes (PATH) transportation Hub before the new complex was completed in 1976. Woolworth was across from the Tube Bar and pizzeria.

Across the street from the State Theater was Liss Pharmacy which was as large as a department store complete with a lunch counter. Next to the Lowes Theater was J.M. Fields which is now the C.H. Martin.



Thanks, Shadrack! I'm not sure why but someone mistakenly told me that there was a Woolworth store near the State Theater. There was probably another department store near the State Theater which I may have visited. I remember Liss Pharmacy & J.M. Fields. I used to go to Liss Pharmacy for cold remedies. I went to J.M. Fields to shop for school clothes before the school year began when I was living in JC. I left the city in late June of '75.

It could be that a Wolworth store existed near the State Theater during an earlier time period than the '70s

This 1972 photo shows Kennedy Boulevard near Journal Square.
(State Theater, Rags to Riches, Joyce Leslie, Moriel’s, Lynns, Kitty Kelly & Danny Mack shoe stores) http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?656


A Fisher Beer store existed near the State Theater in the '50s according to photos in the book "Jersey City 1940-1960: The Dan McNulty Collection". There was never a Woolworth store in that location according to the research that I've done. It seems that a Moriel's store, which can be seen in the photo on the web page listed above, may have taken the place of the Fisher Beer store in the '70s.

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I recall Simonetti/Sullivan was on Monticello a few doors down from Levy's, another sports store

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We have so much in common: I played football at PREP and we practices at OLD COLONY field right across the tracks from HS field.I played in the PREP/Dickinson Thanksgiving game for 3 years and attended with classmates/teammates for years later and we went to the Captain's Table for drinks after the game before we each went home for family Thanksgiving dinner. Cas Rakowski and the Jersey Journal wrote several sports articles about me when I played at PREP. The tux place on Monticello was run by cousins by marriage ( it was called ALLEGRO's). I worked summers at the JC Print in the Lafayette section (where I lived). My grandfather owned a bar and the Westinghouse guys from the day and night shift lunch used to come over for the big sandwiches and cheap booze and I'd have to run a shuttle car for pick up and drop back at the factory. Fond memories and I loved them then as much as I recall them now.

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and Del Monte Accordian School around the corner and up the stairs in the Stanley Theatre building. My grammar school even had an accordian band- all Del Monte students!
My rewared after a successful lesson was a dog and drink at Boulevard Drinks, next to Charles mens' shop which was across the alley from the Lowes Theatre which was right next to the JM Fields. That how old an old timer I am.

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If you're talking about the Hilltop Tavern it was in the block along the side of the JC armory off Montgomery. The veal parm came in a sizzling plate with the cheese still bubbling!The bar was guys only back then. There was a restaurant attached if you wanted to take a date for pizza.

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YOU HAVE A GOOD MEMORY.....AMATO'S HAD THE BEST SEAFOOD AROUND......YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAPA J WITH THE LOUD VOICE..IT RAN IN THE FAMILY...

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JC history: (of the bakeries I remember as a kid, yummy)

- On Newark Avenue between Five Corners and Tonnele Avenue. There was a Five Corners Bakery like Yvonne said kind of across from the library (great sticky buns) and a few good German bakeries. One had a huge brick oven in the back, it took up half the shop. Great Black and White’s and Cheese Cakes!!

- The Five Corners Bakery also had a second store in the middle of Journal Square over by The Hotel on the Square. (now part of the big ugly lot, any news Healy?). I remember the great neon sign. It had a 5 layer wedding cake with a baker putting finishing touches on it popping out of the sign. I wish someone in JC preserved that sign. (someone should recue the old Joey Stars Bar sign at Newark and Tonnele ..a classic!)

- Down on Westside and Duncan was Peterson’s Bakery. That was near the JC bagel factory that place was great. All it had was a counter and huge vats with bagel’s floating in them. Talk about hot bagels!!. No need for a fancy interior space with tables and chairs back then. Just bagel’s…salted or plain in a brown paper bag. Come to think of it I did hear the guy say “NO bagels for you!” many a time..hmmm.


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Wild I also found a wedding anniversary piece about the owners of the Five Corners Bakeries. Hey zamery1 try and track down a family member and ask them about the cake..you never know.

PENZINER

Gertrude and Frederic Penziner of Somerset and Boca Raton, Fla., recently celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary. Mr. Penziner married the former Gertrude Kliman at the McAlpin Hotel in New York City on Jan. 6, 1951.

They resided in Jersey City until 1972 and in Mountainside until seven years ago. Mr. Penziner graduated from Rutgers University; Mrs. Penziner graduated from New York University and earned a master’s degree from Kean College. They owned the 5 Corners Bakeries in Jersey City, which were established in the 1920s by Mrs. Penziner’s parents, Isaac and Rose Kliman.

The couple have three children, Dr. Alan Penziner and his wife, Dr. Paula Marantz Cohen, of Moorestown; Rachel Morling and her husband, Eric Hirsch, of Fanwood; and Heidi Penziner of Scottsdale, Ariz.; as well as six grandchildren and two step-grandchildren.


http://njjewishnews.com/community/anniversaries/lifecycle-penziner

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I found the below NYT’s piece from 1987 about the coming JC rejuvenation.. that was the first wave of “yuppies”. Two interesting things in the piece. It mentions the Journal Square Five Corners Bakery (the one with the cool sign) it must have just been getting ready to close in 1987. It also mentions how Newport was first called “Newport City” and how JC old-timers did not like it. (including myself) This is the first time I caught it in print. I have sales flyers where it says things like Newport City, New York. The directions even left off Jersey City. Mayor Cucci wanted them to at least drop the “City” and they did.

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As the evening rush hour fell on Journal Square, commuters carrying trenchcoats and canvas tote bags spilled out of the PATH train from Manhattan and hurried past the cracked window of the Five Corners Bakery.

To the clerks who once stood behind the bakery's cash register, the well-tailored silhouettes outside symbolized the rising fortunes of Jersey City.

But the bakery itself could serve as symbol. For more than 50 years, the landmark weathered the city's fall from prosperity, its race riots and its shuttered factories. Now that renewal has arrived, surging south from neighboring Hoboken, the Five Corners has closed, sold for development.



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But it is also feared that the young professionals and the upper middle class who make up the latest wave of immigrants will not join in the proud civic life. Last year, when a luxury development on the Hudson waterfront advertised itself as Newport City, residents took that as an affront.

''Newport City - it was like they were ashamed to say they were in Jersey City,'' said Mayor Anthony R. Cucci, one of many born and raised here who demanded the development call itself Newport.




http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/21/nyr ... tml?pagewanted=all&src=pm

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No, there was a bakery called 5 corners on Newark Avenue, they made excellent bread. It was near the 5 Corners Library.
I wasn't a fan of their cakes but their bread with light and cripsy.

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Well, you probably mean Monteleone's. All their cakes are fabulous,but I don't know the name of the one you mentioned. And yes,they are still there on Newark Ave

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i used to live in jersey city when i was a kid and remember that bakery was so good ! the one cake I remember was sort of a log pastery cake filled with i want so a barvaran cream and topped with fruit omg it was so good. Is it still there and can anyone tell me what the name of that cake is? I would really appreciate it

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I remember a deli/convenience store which was across the street from DHS. Perhaps Rands was located near the deli. My friends & I used to purchase snacks from the deli during lunch break when we were attending Dickinson H.S. The name Rands seems familiar but I don't recall if I've ever been to the restaurant.


Louie's Candy Store on Newark was popular with DHS students... candy, comic books, and loose cigarettes for a dime. It was on Newark and Palisade across from the school and Hudson Gardens. High Pockets (later the Bus Stop) was the bar on the corner of Chestnut and Newark Avenues.


I vaguely recall a liquor store type of business which was located on the corner of Newark & Chestnut Avenues. Perhaps the liquor store I remember was the bar.


That is Mars Liquors. It's still there under different owners for the last 20 years. The old Mars was a great deli. The old High Pockets (later Bus Stop) Bar is a Spanish restaurant on Newark and Chestnut. The Dominican Bodega on the east corner of Newark and Chestnut was a Salvation Army Store.


The names Mars Liquors & High Pocket sound very familiar. If Mars Liquors was also a deli, it must have been one of the places where my DHS schoolmates would buy their hoagies at lunch time.

I vaguely remember a Salvation Army store which was located near DHS also. I also recall the existence of an Army & Navy store which was located close to DHS. I remember that my friends at DHS would buy Army fatigue clothing from the store. The store where my friends & I bought snacks was next to the parking lot which had been next to Rands ice cream parlor.[/quote]

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How long did the Robert Hall store on Route 440 in JC exist?


I remember when it was over on Jordan Avenue


The Jordan Avenue Robert Hall store must have been another location of the store that had existed in addition to the Route 440 store. I'm not sure if the two stores existed at the same time.

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Several memories. One maybe someone can remember:
I vaguely remember between Oakland Avenue and Cook Street where now is a huge parking lot...there was a gully, a bid deep crater. In it were several rows of army-style buildings in which Black Families lived. It was bulldozed and now a parking lot for over ....55 years? Was I hallucinating or was it really there?
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Other Memories, THE GOOD: Fisher Beer was the 5 & 10 next to the State Theater.
The huge vacant lot between Summit Ave and JFK (formerly HUDSON) Blvd. Only the library and one St. John's Apts. building was there, between them...it looked like Hiroshima after the blast for a few years in the early 1960's around the time Kennedy was shot.
ACME Super Market on Hoboken and Summit Aves. where the Hudson Bank drive-in now stands.

The Rosewood Malt Shop on Bergen Ave. near Vroom ST. had swastika tyles on the floor (obviously put there long before Hitler)

Bickford's on the Square and the McGinley Square Bus Station(where the tramps hung out inside who looked like out've the Great Depression).
Coward Shoes
Thorne's Women's where owned by a former Czech movie star prior to WW 2.

The Pix Theater Saturday Matinees which showed movies later put on CHILLER THEATER on t.v.
Other Memories: THE BAD:

The Jersey Journal use to print "A Negro" if someone arrested was Black. They'd put his name, the above , his age and address. They didn't do it for any other race. They continued to do it until I think Dr. King was killed(old Microfilms at the Jersey Ave. library will prove what I say).

Kids with "funny names" that weren't Irish or Italian were open-targets for bullies. Even in the Catholic Schools. When the first Black kid came to our Catholic school (I won't say the name to avoid embarassment-you'll know which one!) the other kids jumped on him like paranas. I don't recall what happened to him. His first name was Joseph and the last name started with a T.. That's all I'll share.

Other Meories: THE UGLY:

If you were suspected to be gay in Jersey City of the Old Days you had as much of a chance as a Hassidic Jew in 1940 Berlin. Now Jersey City was ranked #3 in the state for Gay Friendly.


The Jersey Journal use to print Sodomy arrests and "suspected homosexuals" arrested on suspicion, their names and addresses in the paper. Again, check the microfilms.
Neighborhoods had "color lines" usually enforced by some checker-shirted Archie Bunker who lived on the street who hoisted the Star Spangled Banner every morning on his porch). I was told once that a little kid I invited to the wading pool in my yard had to go away because "a neighbor complained I violated the color line" to my parents.
He was a dark-complexioned Hispanic*(*that made it even worse). ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jersey City, like any place in the country or the world, has its good memories and bad. These are part of our history. What is important is what we've become and we're a vibrant multi-cultured and welcoming city now. We are not a "little red neck town frozen in the 1950's" as some New Yorkers said about us back then.
I love Jersey City and am also a historian.
Final note, a foundation of one of the towering beams for the old trolley tressle to Hoboken is still under the State Highway ramp to the Holland Tunnel, know where it is?


What you wrote is interesting. There were several people on FB's "We Grew Up in Jersey City" web page trying to convince me that ethnic relations in the '40s & '50s were great. I didn't believe them especially after reading Helen Stapinski's book "Five Finger Discount" in which she wrote about the ethnic division in JC in the early '60s & prior to this time.

I had been trying to recall the name of the 5&10 store which was next to the State Theater. Fisher Beer was still at that location in the mid-'70s, wasn't it? I lived in JC from July of '74 to June of '75.

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Wasn't there a great Nedick's in the Grove Street train station?

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.......If you remember the old, simple but nice white with black letters/numerals street signs that were at each corner. I think these street signs were a Jersey City icon in the days before the present street signs.


The red poles are still around here and there.

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The Pix actually had a color TV on the second floor.

You couldn't pee crooked there and you'd be tossed out.

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I thought that area was known as the Island?

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Hey--some names from the Wayne, Mercer, Fremmont Factory street area:

Louie Mangieri
Louie Cosenza
Georgie Costa
Freddie Cimo
Joe Lazzaro
Tommy Spidaletto
Joe Spidaletto
Maryann Costa
Kathy Miller
Joe Colarusso
Richie Mauro
Georgie Easterling
Greg Rotella
Allen Jenkins
Frannie Spinello

Anyone recall them?

How about some St. Bridget names?

Anne Durant
Tommy Leong
Jeannie Specchio
Bobby O'brycki
Bobby Reed
Tommy Darpino
Haroldine Sharrock
Natalie Feehan
JoAnne Ocone
Richie Susak
Mikey Tallerida
Richie Lindsay
Maureen Murphy
Jean Hlavach
Elizabeth Garabaldi
Algernon Rose
Paul Gough
John Yurchak

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The poultry market was Vernese's. The daughter was my teacher at St. Bridget's for a while--a honey!!

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The Hilltop was a nice old family style pizza joint up near the Armory on Mercer or Wayne Street I believe.

I came from Factory Street down the hill from the Medical Center and across from Montgomery Gardens.

Here's one for you real oldtimers: remember the viaduct that connected upper and lower Mercer streets? We used to ride our bikes and sleds down it. I still have two bricks from it.

How about the railroad that existed with the trestles over Mercer and Montgomery street? The shacks on the railroad with the coal shutes?

The project gang "The Seabees"?

The rag shops on Wayne street?

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I know I'm getting old when my nephew asked me to carry the lighter end of an object

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Anyone else recall where or what The Hilltop was? I've seen it mentioned a few times...?


I grew up on the Hilltop. Above Harsimus Cemetery are Henry Street, Waldo, Magnolia and Chestnut Avenues which is known as the Hilltop. I believe that it also encompassed Dickinson (old football cheer included "Hilltop, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah"), Hudson Gardens, Baldwin Avenue, and the streets around the court house.

Across the Waldo Avenue pedestrian bridge and Chestnut Avenue Bridge is the Island Section. It's an interesting little enclave that many in Jersey City don't know about. No, it's not surrounded by water, but the community is atop a plateau surrounded by steep cliffs. Below are railroad tracks and the PATH train yards

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Anyone else recall where or what The Hilltop was? I've seen it mentioned a few times...?

Posted on: 2012/3/25 23:17
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What was The Hilltop?

Either a section of town near the back of the PATH and Dickinson H.S. or a cheap looking restaurant on either Baldwin or Summit Ave. going towards the Beacon.

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What was The Hilltop?

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What about the store ... Consumers on rt 440. It was where PC Richards is at now.
And Bradlees where Lowes is now.
Or ShopRite which was next to Party City and now just the parking lot.

Posted on: 2012/1/23 21:40
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