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Why is the white truck called Nick and Marias I think allowed to stay at Exchange Place? Does he have a special deal with the city? Doesn't seem fair. Anybody know?
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The only time I ever got deathly ill from unsanitary food, it was at a restaurant. a stationary one. long live the food trucks!
Posted on: 2010/1/19 1:07
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Thats disgusting. I wouldn't want some random schmoe just waltzing into a kitchen to check it out. I mean people carry all sorts of diseases and just letting anyone who wants in to the kitchen just spreads more.
Posted on: 2010/1/19 0:03
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I believe in the state of New Jersey a restaurant patron is allowed to view the kitchen of any restaurant establishment they may want to eat at. Can anyone verify this information ??
Posted on: 2010/1/18 20:50
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I love these trucks and I love the street food. It is good quality food and a great way for a lot of people to try out their food and spread the word. Remember, the Taqueria was originally a truck. Rent here is hard, so why not try the trucks. Over in Red Hook, the taco stands at the soccer fields had to clean up their act and now they are all in trucks. So this should be sanitary for JC. If you are afraid of eating out of trucks, then don't eat there.... I like it, so don't ruin it for those of us that DO eat there! I ate at street carts all over the world (lived off of them in Moscow!), so if you are not adventurous then stay away. I have yet to be sick from any of them. And hell, I have seen enough "unsanitary" restaurants in both JC and NYC.....
Posted on: 2010/1/18 19:08
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Never read Upton Sinclair's book, "The Jungle", in high school, heights? The US of A is able to sell meats, fish and poultry to us together with the USDA, FDA, corporate slaughterhouses, meat packers and corporate farming that winds up in any restaurant that continue to have filth, bacteria, anti-biotics, vermin droppings and more that are commonplace even among the so-called finest establishments. We hardly need look to "3rd World Asian foreign owned fly by nights" to aid us in what we already do consistently. I'm happy to eat from any of the food trucks I see too. Where do all these xenophobes come from anyway?   ![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://www.fda.gov/ucm/groups/fdagov-public/documents/image/ucm071116.jpg");) ![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://sphtc.org/timeline/meatinspection.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window")
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How about we let the consumers have as many choices as possible and let them vote with their dollars? Why is the freedom to chose wrong? Unfair? It's an economic strategy.
Posted on: 2010/1/16 0:48
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Speaking of which: Filthy Conditions 'Filthy' conditions at Jersey City home kitchen take food truck off Downtown streets Wednesday, January 13, 2010 Gotta wonder about when and if the kitchens are ever inspected after this story.
Posted on: 2010/1/15 19:12
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If you disagree, please explain why honestly, I would need to know the exact legality of locating one of these things, once their vending licence is in place. I disagree in principle, but would have to see the fine print in order to carry the discussion any further. regarding the pizza price comment, maybe I'm living in the past. 2 and a water tends to run $5 in my spots but that may be on the endangered list. Quote: Isn't a meatball parm a cheesesteak in a different form not in my mind, but whatever. not important.
Posted on: 2010/1/15 14:27
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First, You're ignoring the fact that many people who go to "pizza" joints are going for other things, including sandwiches. People who like that kind of food also tend to like cheesesteaks. (Isn't a meatball parm a cheesesteak in a different form?) Second, it's a hypothetical example, the point being that a cheesesteak vendor would be competing for a share of the same market. Third, two pepperoni slices and a drink runs me at least $7 over here on Fantasy Island. My intuition says the profit margin of street vendors is higher, but I'm not averse to being wrong. Fast food restaurants reduce costs by purchasing lower quality ingredients in bulk, but also must deal with the combined expenses of franchising fees, staff compensation, rent, electricity (kitchen, dining room, and air conditioning), natural gas (kitchen and air conditioning), water, and insurance. Yes, mobile vendors also have expenses, but good luck finding the restroom. My point has nothing to do with the merits of JC's fine mobile food vendors. My point is only that the trucks do not represent fair competition to the (admittedly lousy) fast-food places at Exchange Place. If you disagree, please explain why.
Posted on: 2010/1/15 12:20
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Personally I would like to see places like Subway disappear, but for better or worse that's not relevant to the argument neither is imaginary cheesesteaks (ignoring the fact that people going for pizza are going for pizza, and the price point is still lower than the imaginary cheesesteak). And who says the profit margin is higher? Outside of rent, the product ingredients are incredibly cheap (and of low quality). That is why franchises are so profitable. The "food" arrives 'ready to serve', where the food served at the owner/operator cart/truck establishments we are talking about actually has to be prepared. It takes real labor (and skill) to produce real cooked food.
Posted on: 2010/1/15 10:18
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How is it fair competition? Think objectively. The weekday lunch crowd is obviously interested in fast, cheap eats. Brick-and-mortar fast-food restaurants like Cosi and Subway compete for many of the same customers as the trucks, but have relatively high overhead expenses. Because this ultimately has to be passed on to customers, they cannot offer products that are competitively priced against mobile vendors with much less overhead. They also cannot produce food of the same quality for the same price, even if they wanted to. I grab a couple slices at the pizzeria across the street from my office about once a week. It wouldn't be fair competition if a food truck parked outside and sold cheesesteaks for $5 a pop. Many people on their way to the pizzeria, including myself, would probably be swayed. The cart would be taking advantage of a demand that was partly generated by the pizzeria, but at a much higher profit margin. What's fair about that? On the other hand, if a truck parked in front of Edward's there would be little if any competition (nevermind it's a bad location for a food truck). Personally I would like to see places like Subway disappear, but for better or worse that's not relevant to the argument.
Posted on: 2010/1/14 15:19
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Unsuspecting customers can get deathly ill from their unsanitary food and conditions where the restaurant is stationary and under the inspector's radar. pure comedy the irony here is that cleanliness in the kitchen is often best reflected in the quality of food coming out of the kitchen, when one is not able to see what is going on behind closed doors. In the case of Grove area, I would be sceptical of so many crap restaurants, solely because of the sloppy unimaginative fare they are dishing out. Lazy with the food, lazy with the prep... could be lazy with kitchen upkeep and cleanliness as well. There is zero logic to the argument that, "restaurants are more sanitary because they are stationary". The only relative factor is the staffs effort in the matter. Anyone has the potential to run a crappy kitchen, serve sketchy food and do so in an unsanitary environment. As discussed previously, it is actually less likely that these street vendors would do so because their work-space is so visible to the public. Most restaurant kitchens on the other hand operate entirely behind closed doors, making it impossible to tell how conscientious they are at making it a healthy environment for food prep. this argument is inredibly stale, especialy concidering no cases of illness have been reported on here.
Posted on: 2010/1/14 14:50
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Yes and the resolve is to get rid of the food trucks. Unsuspecting customers can get deathly ill from their unsanitary food and conditions where the restaurant is stationary and under the inspector's radar.
Posted on: 2010/1/14 12:34
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I understand that the impetus behind the push to remove street carts was actually restaurants feeling threatened. So much for fair competition. Shame on them. This needs to be resolved, asap.
Posted on: 2010/1/14 11:01
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I don't know about setting the health system back 100 years, but is anyone really surprised by this whole thing? Buyer Beware, especially when ordering from a roach coach.
Posted on: 2010/1/14 10:45
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If it wasn't for J.C. inspectors I wouldn't be commenting on this article...or even reading it.
Posted on: 2010/1/13 17:13
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The U.S. health system is fine, Cletus Spuckler, it's the Jersey City system that has lackadaisical employees. You'd have nothing to loath and fear if J.C. inspectors were doing their job. (Well, I guess you would anyway.)
Posted on: 2010/1/13 15:48
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Maybe now you will understand how these 3rd World Asian foreign owned fly by nights operate their so called food establishments. They are setting back the U.S. health system over two hundred years. I especially like the thread from some time ago where a new couple were galavanting throughout J.C. Heights and stumbled across an Indian fast food establishment on Kennedy and even though they noticed a reeking stinking smell they still bought, went to Mosquito Park sat on a park bench took a bite and continued to reluctanly ate the rest of the item. Below are two threads concerning health issues related to the posting above. Read the most recent posting in both threads.
http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... id=227830#forumpost227830 http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... id=200623#forumpost200623
Posted on: 2010/1/13 9:27
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this certainly explains why i got sick after trying their super yummy fare ...
Posted on: 2010/1/13 8:13
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Boy that's scary. Glad I never ate from them.
Posted on: 2010/1/13 3:09
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Jersey City health inspectors shut down popular food truck
By Ken Thorbourne/The Jersey Journal January 12, 2010, 9:00PM Banana Leaf food truck will not be serving meals to hungry Downtown Jersey City patrons after city health inspectors said they found unsanitary conditions in the house where meals were prepared. A popular food truck that does business at Exchange Place and other Downtown Jersey City locales was grounded yesterday after city inspectors traced the truck's fixins to a rat-infested firetrap, officials said. ![Click to see original Image in a new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://media.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/photo/foodt2jpg-b39233351d8bd48f_medium.jpg"); "Click to see original Image in a new window") "It was unbelievably filthy," the city's chief health inspector, H. James Boor, said about 318 St. Paul's Ave., the three-family building where the Indian food sold from the yellow Banana Leaf truck is prepared. "We found mouse and rat droppings on the storage shelves where they were storing seasonings, rice and different food products," Boor said. "There was even mice droppings in the containers with food. They had a glass-door refrigerator. But the glass door was so grease laden you couldn't see inside," he added. Based on a tip, the inspection by the Mayor's Quality of Life Task Force was carried out at around noon. Mark Redfield, chair of the task force, said customers would choke if they saw the conditions of the private home where the food was being prepared. "We had food taken out of there was contaminated," Redfield said. "There was food kept in the cellar, a dirty, wet moldy cellar. Eggs were un-refrigerated." Roughly 2,250 pounds of food, including onions, rice, lentils, potatoes, and various seasonings, had to be destroyed, officials said. City officials immediately revoked the vendor license of Shaik Mohamed Manzoor, who lives at 318 St. Paul's Ave. with his family. The building is owned by Manzoor's brother, Shaik Mohamed Manzoor, who also lives there with his family. Neither of the Manzoor brothers could be reached last night. Shaik Mohamed Manzoor has held a food vendor license in the city since August 2008. The task force -- comprised of representatives from various city agencies, including the health, building, zoning, and fire departments -- slapped the Manzoors a slew of charges. Shaik Mohamed Manzoor was charged with creating conditions hazardous to the health of residents of the state of New Jersey and preparing food that will be offered for sale at an unapproved site, Boor said. Each charge carries a maximum of 90 days in jail and a $1,250 maximum fine. According to the law, an itinerant food vendor can only prepare the food at a licensed food establishment or on the truck itself, Boor said. Given the grease buildup in the house, Redfield said the building is an inferno waiting to happen. Plus, "They had all kind of gas lines hooked up," he said. "They were completely done illegally." Redfield, who is also the city's assistant director for code enforcement, said his office issued violations for improper combustible storage in the cellar, excessive storage of debris, among other summonses. The Manzoors are scheduled to appear in Jersey City Municipal Court 9 a.m. Feb. 4 to answer the charges.
Posted on: 2010/1/12 22:31
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I have reached out to these folks as well. Thought they might like to know what is going on across the river.
http://streetvendor.org/
Posted on: 2010/1/12 14:57
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This is truly pathetic that these food trucks have been run off.
What EXACTLY is going on here? Can someone get me up to speed on what the legal status is? Who can I contact? We should get a petition up and deliver it to the Council, Mayor, the media, whoever. This is bullshit. These are some of the worst economic times since the depression, and the city is running off food carts? This is how these folks make a living. I miss them and the food. I want them back and many more as well. Portland Oregon has it going on with food carts. I have reached out to several people out there to find out if they can help us somehow by letting me know how and if the food trucks out there peacefully co-exist with the brick and mortar restaurants. Let's make some noise about this and not just on here! http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/05/10/travel/10Portland.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6-yUcjnhdk http://www.foodcartsportland.com/
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There is a man on Newark that has been selling hot dogs at the same spot for 25 years. He has put his kids through college selling dogs at the same spot. Moving every 20 minutes or so is just plain crazy. My lord there must be more important things to worry about than a food vendor on a corner.
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Anyone know why the guy with the hot dog cart gets to stick around? And all the other vendors are gone? He does not move every 20 min.
Posted on: 2009/12/21 11:39
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Lucinda, Krave and Louisiana Spice are still at Columbus & Grove as of last Thurday. Hopefully they'll still be there this week, what with the enforcement of this silly law and the snow on the ground.
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So wait, nothing in the article aside from the title states that the trucks and carts are still out there, in violation of this admittedly stupid law. Are they "fighting this" or what? What happened Wednesday where this lady told City Council members she couldn't move in 20 minutes?
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See Journal's video here:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... und_by_local_law_jer.html Pushed around by local law, Jersey City vendors push back Jersey City food trucks keep serving the hungry By Melissa Hayes/The Jersey Journal December 20, 2009, 6:14PM Food vendor Natalia Caicedo told City Council members on Wednesday it is impossible for her to pack up her business and move every 20 minutes. She is one of the more than 100 vendors who sell food on the streets of Jersey City. According to the city's law, vendors must move every 20 to 40 minutes depending on their permit. But many vendors have grown accustomed to operating from the same spot, including those like Caicedo who frequent the financial district at Exchange Place. On Friday, Dec. 11, Jersey City police told all of the vendors they had to pick up and leave. The edict came after Ward E Councilman Steve Fulop, whose district includes Downtown, received complaints from businesses in the area that the law was not being enforced. "I like those food trucks and I eat at them, but the law is the law, so I followed up and had the trucks moved from Exchange Place," Fulop said. Caicedo said 20 minutes is not enough time to pack up hot food and relocate. "I think probably it would be more appropriate for ice cream trucks," said Caicedo, who was the only vendor to testify at this particular council hearing. "They could move at any point. But for us we have hot pots. It's really dangerous, quite dangerous." Aside from the city's ordinance, which restricts the length of time trucks can park, there's a larger issue: There are more trucks with permits than the 175 the city's ordinance calls for. Jersey City Health Official Joseph Castagna, who was charged in July in the FBI's major corruption sting, is under police investigation for issuing more food vendor licenses than the city allows. Castagna was suspended without pay in July and later retired from his post. The police investigation is ongoing, but a source said Castagna issued more than 100 licenses above the 175 the city ordinance allows for. The annual licenses range in price from $100 to $250. The council has created a committee to address the licensing and time-limit issue. Fulop is heading the committee that includes Council President Peter Brennan and Ward D Councilman William Gaughan.
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