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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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It's about shock value, and it obviously works. You would know what I mean if you've been in combat.

War is grotesque and perhaps this monument is also.

However, instead of hiding this statue in an empty war memorial park where no one ever bothers to read the names of the war dead, it is displayed exactly where it belongs.

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The monument has value but I would prefer to have a memorial commemorating a United States historical event in such a prominent location.Maybe a 9/11 memorial or a memorial to war veterans who gave the ultimate sacrifice.It's just such a prime location with so many people passing by that it should make us reflect on United States heroes.

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It belongs in the park with the other WWII monuments.

No disrespect to anyone, but it is a rather literal depiction of something grotesque and ruins the skyline.

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According to Wajda's film, the victims were shot, not bayoneted. Given his personal relationship to the atrocity I don't think he would have misrepresented this unlike the artist that was commissioned for the memorial at Exchange Place.

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I'm all for honoring events that have (or once had) an effect on JC residents. But that statue is so macabre that it's almost comical, and thus is hardly a respectful commemoration of the Katyn massacre victims.

On the other hand, it's so freaky that when I first saw it, I thought "I have GOT to know what that's all about," and probably wouldn't have bothered to learn about this slice of 20th Century history otherwise.

It definitely gets one's attention.

But admit it, Binky. Comparing this waterfront curiosity to the Holocaust Museum falls under the heading "Disingenuous."


If anyone wants to find out more about Katyn, there is a film showing at Film Forum currently called, um, "Katyn" directed by Polish veteran director Andrzej Wajda whose father was among those murdered. I didnt particularly enjoy this film, although I suppose you are not meant to. It is told from the perspective of the families left behind trying to find out what happened (the Nazi's and Russians tried to blame the atrocity on each other and it was not until relatively recently that Russia finally accepted responsibility).

Now, does anybody who supports the memorial think that the statue is tasteful and fitting? Honestly, now.

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I'm all for honoring events that have (or once had) an effect on JC residents. But that statue is so macabre that it's almost comical, and thus is hardly a respectful commemoration of the Katyn massacre victims.

On the other hand, it's so freaky that when I first saw it, I thought "I have GOT to know what that's all about," and probably wouldn't have bothered to learn about this slice of 20th Century history otherwise.

It definitely gets one's attention.

But admit it, Binky. Comparing this waterfront curiosity to the Holocaust Museum falls under the heading "Disingenuous."

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With all respect to the victims of the Katyn massacre one could suppose the Jersey City politicos see the monument as a memeorial to political "backstabbing".

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Since I've lived here I have not been able to understand why we would want to superimpose the NYC skyline at our most prime waterfront location (Exchange Place) with a giant, grotesque symbol of foreign nationalism.

Apparently there were originally a huge amount of Polish that lived here and had their way with the place, but downtown is clearly not a Polish/ethnic neighborhood any longer. Lots of terrible things happened to lots of people during lots of wars in lots of places all throughout history. This thing has to do with a conflict between Poland and Russia. What is it doing here?

Can't we think of something a bit more positive to welcome NYC travelers to Jersey City with?

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