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The Hipster Olympics!! Oh this is Grand!! Check to see if your parent's check has cleared at the ATM - oh my gosh this is great!!!!

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"I don’t know if you've ever been to Williamsburg but the place is almost like being on another planet. Thankfully JC is no better no worse that most of NYC in terms of hipsters. But seriously all you people getting offended and sticking up for hipsters, just watch the video you cant tell me these people arnt over the top retarded. And I agree 100% with dragonjc's post, goin downtown now I dont fit in at all. I feel like I need to wear womans jeans(im a dude) big dumbass looking glasses and sip a starbucks just to fit in."

"Over the top and retarded" Are you listening to yourselves? I think anyone that has a problem with these people need to look within as they are obviously looking to lash out at someone. I for one have never witnessed a so called hipster speak ill will, or be derogatory towards another person. The only people that are complaining are people that don’t understand and are afraid of being left behind as their neighborhood progresses.

I have friends that live in Billyburg and I just don't get why people like you are so upset at young people having fun and living their lives? I seriously think a lot of people are jealous. There is soo much hate against this group. You would think that they were robbing your grandma.

Just admit it you don't like them because your are a bigot.

It is ridiculous that people like you have so much hatred towards people that are just trying to have fun with their lives. I think you should watch the movie Pleasantville. People like you remind me of the Nazis.

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HAHAHAHAHA! Cheif my friend you take things way to serious. Im a bigot and im jelouse of these kids??? HA!, not even in the slightest. You think im gonna go out hipster bashing or something? I simply think they all look like tools and MOST dont do anything to a neighborhood to make it better. Unless opening a dive bar and not having a full time job gets rid of criminals to you. This is called speaking my mind, sorry if that makes you uneasy. They are silly looking and act funny therefore im gonna laugh at them, because its funny to me. Dosnt mean im gonna hurt them or be violent in anyway towards them. Damn, people on this board have no sense of humor.

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"Unless opening a dive bar and not having a full time job gets rid of criminals to you. " Awesome, sounds like the original JC population. Except they don't break into people' cars or mug people.

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hey chief,

i'm all against gay bashing too; haha. but come on... "billyburg". they humiliate there own kind there. they appreciate the irony.

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Hipsters are harmless, but from my experience it's more the attitude then the appearance thats bothersome. I have friends that are hipsters and just talking to them can be a bit annoying. Their cool and know everything attitude can be a bit much. But to each his own, I just find it funny.

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I guess I was taking it too serious. They are kinda funny arent' they?

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My initial answer is BOTH but I've been living here for 19 years and am too busy to pay attention to either.

BESIDES THAT-- I'd like to pay less property taxes. I bought before it was "cool" so I should pay less.

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this is an easy answer for all you complainers: the hipsters are better. What's worse, a kid in a scarf with tight jeans or watching 2 path trains leave completely packed?

well, I think by defination hipsters are slackers. They probably go into work later (if they work at all) than "the suits". The time they spend perfecting their ironic wardrobe makes them continuously late, therefore they're not participants in the morning rush hour.

However, the "evil yuppie suits" that will no doubt inhabit the high rise condos are fueled by chai soy lattes which make them function at warp speed, facilitating them getting to the path train smack dab in the middle of rush hour.

So ask yourself this, is a scarf and non prescription glasses worse than having your face in a dudes armpit from Grove Street to 14th?

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HAHAHAHAHA! Cheif my friend you take things way to serious. Im a bigot and im jelouse of these kids??? HA!, not even in the slightest. You think im gonna go out hipster bashing or something? I simply think they all look like tools and MOST dont do anything to a neighborhood to make it better. Unless opening a dive bar and not having a full time job gets rid of criminals to you. This is called speaking my mind, sorry if that makes you uneasy. They are silly looking and act funny therefore im gonna laugh at them, because its funny to me. Dosnt mean im gonna hurt them or be violent in anyway towards them. Damn, people on this board have no sense of humor.


You know who else is silly looking? The people who USED to inhabit Downtown JC. You know, the ones that you reminisce about. You know, the crackheads and thugs. They dress and act funny too.

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You know who else is silly looking? The people who USED to inhabit Downtown JC. You know, the ones that you reminisce about. You know, the crackheads and thugs. They dress and act funny too.

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Oh god, it's a FAD! Nothing more, nothing less. Just like "grunge" in the 90's with everyone wearing flannel. Now it's a "hipster."
Tomorrow it will probably be hip to be square. Or maybe hip to be a circle. Who CARES! "Hipsters" may not make a neighborhood any better, but they sure don't make it worse. If they pay their rent/mortgage, then who cares. Last time I checked, there weren't roving gangs of hipsters robbing & raping people around here, or in Brooklyn for that matter. Get a hobby and stop paying so much attention to what people look like.

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You know who else is silly looking? The people who USED to inhabit Downtown JC. You know, the ones that you reminisce about. You know, the crackheads and thugs. They dress and act funny too.


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Oh man you got me good. So what are you a yuppie or a hipster ? Obviously your one because you seem to defend them to the death. Just tell me which one you are and ill stop making fun of them so you wont be upset. By the way what if I was a thug looking guy (im not) but wasnt a criminal, would it still be ok to make fun of thugs? Cause it really seems anyones fair game to put down unless they're a yuppie or a hipster. God forbid you mention how big of tools they are on this board.


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HAHAHAHAHA! Cheif my friend you take things way to serious. Im a bigot and im jelouse of these kids??? HA!, not even in the slightest. You think im gonna go out hipster bashing or something? I simply think they all look like tools and MOST dont do anything to a neighborhood to make it better. Unless opening a dive bar and not having a full time job gets rid of criminals to you. This is called speaking my mind, sorry if that makes you uneasy. They are silly looking and act funny therefore im gonna laugh at them, because its funny to me. Dosnt mean im gonna hurt them or be violent in anyway towards them. Damn, people on this board have no sense of humor.


You know who else is silly looking? The people who USED to inhabit Downtown JC. You know, the ones that you reminisce about. You know, the crackheads and thugs. They dress and act funny too.

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Yuppies and hipsters, beware. Your reign of terror is greatly exaggerated. Time discusses the counterintuitive findings of a new study and finds that in fact, so called "gentrified communities" remain far more diverse than previously thought. "Those findings may seem counterintuitive, given that the term 'gentrification,' particularly in cities like New York and San Francisco, has become synonymous with soaring rents, wealthier neighbors and the dislocation of low-income residents. But overall, the new study suggests, the popular notion of the yuppie invasion is exaggerated."

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A sign advertising for "Houses Wanted" stands on a temporary wall in front of row houses in the Harlem neighborhood of New York City.

People tend to think gentrification goes like this: rich, educated white people move into a low-income minority neighborhood and drive out its original residents, who can no longer afford to live there. As it turns out, that's not typically true.

A new study by researchers at the University of Colorado at Boulder, University of Pittsburgh and Duke University, examined Census data from more than 15,000 neighborhoods across the U.S. in 1990 and 2000, and found that low-income non-white households did not disproportionately leave gentrifying areas. In fact, researchers found that at least one group of residents, high school–educated blacks, were actually more likely to remain in gentrifying neighborhoods than in similar neighborhoods that didn't gentrify — even increasing as a fraction of the neighborhood population, and seeing larger-than-expected gains in income.

Those findings may seem counterintuitive, given that the term "gentrification," particularly in cities like New York and San Francisco, has become synonymous with soaring rents, wealthier neighbors and the dislocation of low-income residents. But overall, the new study suggests, the popular notion of the yuppie invasion is exaggerated. "We're not saying there aren't communities where displacement isn't happening," says Randall Walsh, an associate professor of economics at the University of Pittsburgh and one of the study's authors. "But in general, across all neighborhoods in the urbanized parts of the U.S., it looks like gentrification is a pretty good thing."

The researchers found, for example, that income gains in gentrifying neighborhoods — usually defined as low-income urban areas that undergo rises in income and housing prices — were more widely dispersed than one might expect. Though college-educated whites accounted for 20% of the total income gain in gentrifying neighborhoods, black householders with high school degrees contributed even more: 33% of the neighborhood's total rise. In other words, a broad demographic of people in the neighborhood benefited financially. According to the study's findings, only one group — black residents who never finished high school — saw their income grow at a slower rate than predicted. But the study also suggests that these residents weren't moving out of their neighborhoods at a disproportionately higher rate than from similar neighborhoods that didn't gentrify.

This study isn't the first to come to that conclusion. A 2005 paper published in Urban Affairs Review by Lance Freeman, an assistant professor of urban planning at Columbia University, looked at a nationwide sample of neighborhoods between 1986 and 1989 and found that low-income residents tended to move out of gentrifying areas at essentially the same frequency they left other neighborhoods. The real force behind the changing face of a gentrifying community, Freeman concluded, isn't displacement but succession. When people move away as part of normal neighborhood turnover, the people who move in are generally more affluent. Community advocates may argue that succession is just another form of exclusion — if low-income people can't afford to move in — but, still, it doesn't exactly fit the popular perception of individuals being forced from their homes.

The new study found that while gentrification did not necessarily push out original residents, it did create neighborhoods that middle-class minorities moved to. The addition of white college graduates, especially those under 40 without children, was a hallmark of gentrifying neighborhoods — that much fit the conventional wisdom — but so was the influx of college-educated blacks and Hispanics, who moved to gentrifying neighborhoods more often than they to did similar, more static areas. Two other groups tended to move more often into upwardly mobile neighborhoods as well: 40-to-60-year-old Hispanics without a high-school degree, and similarly uneducated Hispanics aged 20 to 40 with children — a counterpoint to the common conception of gentrification, if there ever was one. The only group that was less likely to move to a gentrifying area was high school–educated whites aged 20 to 40 with kids.

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Re: GrovePath's article, I came to this conclusion after doing similar research into gentrification. Oddly, I fit the profile of the college-educated Hispanic moving into a gentrifying multicultural neighborhood. Many of my Anglo friends are so uncomfortable in Lincoln Park that I am afraid to bring them over because they look so conspicuous and frightened I'm afraid they will lure trouble to us like a magnet, whereas I can walk home late at night without really causing a stir. I pay taxes and vote and call the city when I see a street light go out or a fire hydrant spouting water. Most of the middle-class people moving in are Filipinos, Indians, Kenyans, and the like, buying the affordable houses in the area and keeping the sidewalk clean. What can I say? The young kids walking around are lucky to have us. I wouldn't put up with any shit. It feels like home.

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Well that confuses me even more then. Makes it even weirder why you get so bent when someone makes fun of them. Oh well whatever to each his own I guess right. Im gonna E- shake hands with you Tommy

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i have a question: when did all these hipsters start moving in? seems like a total epidemic down there? i currently live off of the continent and i'm just baffled by all the hipster comments.

when did they all move in? is it really that bad? just downtown? not lincoln park?

someone get back to me with this.

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JC's 'hipster scene' is rediculously small compared to the meccas like Williamsburg, Philly, Austin, SF, Seattle, and Portland. We don't see 20 fixed gear bikes locked up outside every bar and coffee shop just yet.

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i have a question: when did all these hipsters start moving in? seems like a total epidemic down there? i currently live off of the continent and i'm just baffled by all the hipster comments.

when did they all move in? is it really that bad? just downtown? not lincoln park?

someone get back to me with this.


Willy hit the nail on the head. Its nothing like much of NYC, Philly, Seattle etc etc, but the Grove street area defenitly got a pretty big influx of them over the past years. Little fancy caffes started opening up along with sushi places, ya know stuff that yuppies and hipsters like.

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The Utne Reader describes the rise of “Hipster Rap”, which "...consists of the most recent crop of MCs and DJs who flout conventional hip-hop fashions, eschewing baggy clothes and gold chains for tight jeans, big sunglasses, the occasional keffiyeh, and other trappings of the hipster lifestyle."

This "hipster rap" has been criticized by the “old-school hip-hop website Unkut, and Jersey City rapper Mazzi", who call the mainstream rappers "poseurs" or "...fags for copping the metrosexual appearances of hipster fashion."

http://www.utne.com/2008-06-13/Arts/H ... ttleground.aspx?blogid=32

Here are Top 5 Leaders of the NEW ‘Hipster Rap’ Movement
http://oghiphop.com/2008/10/the-top-5 ... the-hipster-rap-movement/

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American Gentrifier...lol. priceless.

If anyone else is down, I wouldn't mind starting up a "Jersey Gentrification" zine...lol.

But anyways, I'm glad to see this thread take a more humorous position, like I originally intended. I think people just kind of lost their heads by not realizing what hipsters really were.

Is there REAL hatred there? No. But they are extremely annoying.

I don't want to go on a rant here, BUT....

As far as gentrification as a whole, goes. I think hipsters fall into a different category. It sucks to see the original fabric of a community being washed away, but at the same time, there are some positive benefits from it. And at least, from what I see, the yuppie-type crowd seems to be in it more for the long term.

Hipsters are more of a product of this gentrification. But they add no value to a community except to the local PBR distributor. And they offer less of a time commitment. They are always looking for the next "cool" place to live.

Over the last few years, I've seen so many of my hipster acquaintances come and go. They bounce around 3-4 apt's in brooklyn for 2 years, and then move to LA, SanFran, or Portland... Just last week I was told how "Portland is where it is at right now." I laughed to myself, tipped my yankee hat and bid farewell. But took that information, and logged it for future hipster encounters... Next time a hipster complains about "This place getting too played out", I will simply tell them how "Portland is where it's at right now", in hopes that it's one less hipster that decides "JC is the next brooklyn".

It's the one thing that really annoys me about the hipster culture is the lack of commitment to their environment. They will move to Bed Stuy and not even know who Peter Stuvesant is...The fashion is so poser it has no REAL commitment. It's whole concept is based on trying to out-do the person next to you with obscurity and randomness. There is no loyalty to music, it's whatever is the new sub-genre of indie music is. And they love to just add the word PUNK to the end of it's classification to give it street cred. Like, IndieClashDiscoPunk.

I blame the hipsterfication of music on my good friend, the internet. Back in the day, the only way you could hear about new bands is by actually going to shows. Nowadays, you can just cruise for bands on myspace. You can just buy band tshirts without ever getting your a$$ kicked in the pit. You can go online and read 2 or 3 photoshop tutorials and call yourself an artist... The hipsters just latch on to anything new, without committing to anything real.

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Over the last few years, I've seen so many of my hipster acquaintances come and go. They bounce around 3-4 apt's in brooklyn for 2 years, and then move to LA, SanFran, or Portland... Just last week I was told how "Portland is where it is at right now." I laughed to myself, tipped my yankee hat and bid farewell. But took that information, and logged it for future hipster encounters... Next time a hipster complains about "This place getting too played out", I will simply tell them how "Portland is where it's at right now", in hopes that it's one less hipster that decides "JC is the next brooklyn".

It's the one thing that really annoys me about the hipster culture is the lack of commitment to their environment. They will move to Bed Stuy and not even know who Peter Stuvesant is...The fashion is so poser it has no REAL commitment. It's whole concept is based on trying to out-do the person next to you with obscurity and randomness. There is no loyalty to music, it's whatever is the new sub-genre of indie music is. And they love to just add the word PUNK to the end of it's classification to give it street cred. Like, IndieClashDiscoPunk.

I blame the hipsterfication of music on my good friend, the internet. Back in the day, the only way you could hear about new bands is by actually going to shows. Nowadays, you can just cruise for bands on myspace. You can just buy band tshirts without ever getting your a$$ kicked in the pit. You can go online and read 2 or 3 photoshop tutorials and call yourself an artist... The hipsters just latch on to anything new, without committing to anything real.


brian em - i hear that. i'll be tipping my mets hat next to you, my friend. they don't really know what's going in the community or what it really means to be from there. or the real reason why it is cool to be there. hahah. i appreciate your comments about the music. i couldn't agree with you more. most of these people get their music from a magazine or website that tells them what's good. then people like me walk into a bar and somehow talk music with a hipster, and they tell me that they're amazed that i haven't heard of a band, then another hipster overhears the stupid conversation to begin with and says 'yeah, i know that band'. then i turn around to somebody else sitting next to me while covering one side of my face, pointing back and forth to the two super-cool music fanatics and say 'fckin idiots.'

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So you've just moved into a new "gentrifying" neighboorhood that's full of urban culture, cheap(er) rents, and wonderful friendly people. An odd lack of organic food stores and greenmarkets, but you can't have everything. So one day you're doing something #OOPS#ING RETARDED like walking back from the store alone at 1 am or walking home from the subway while texting your sorority sisters back in the #OOPS#ing midwest or something while SIMULTANEOUSLY listening to an ipod with the bright white headphones and you get #OOPS#ing mugged. Congrats, YOU'RE A #OOPS#ING DUMBASS. No, it's not 1990, when men where men, crackheads would #OOPS#ing cut you and the robbery rate was about a billion times higher than it is now, but it's still new york and you were still #OOPS#ing dumb enough to think that paying $1200 for a studio in a shitty neighboorhood is somehow hipper than moving to #OOPS#ing Queens.

Anyway, here's some helpful tips for the next time someone jacks your shit.

1) Pay attention. Granted, you weren't paying attention to start with or you wouldn't have gotten mugged, but now that you've been hit from behind / had a gun shoved in your face, pay attention.

2) Follow directions. Give the friendly mugger what he wants. Don't talk back or fight. In all likelyhood, you're a pussy hipster retard, and are, by NYC law, unarmed.

3) You've been paying attention right? Remember some simple things in this order: sex, clothing color, clothing type, headwear, and direction of flight.

4) Congratulations! You've just been robbed and you're still alive. What now? Well, don't go back to your apartment and call the cops thirty minutes later. Don't call your mom in Kansas and tell her first. CALL THE COPS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. You'd be amazed at how many people #OOPS# up this simple step. Pay phones still exist as do 24/7 bogies. Go there, call the cops.

5) It may take a while for the cops to show up. The 911 system, at best, will result in a five minute wait before we're even notified. Then we have to drive there without killing anyone. Be patient. For that matter, tell the 911 operator exactly where you are. Nothing makes a responding cop happier than having to scour the area for your dumb ass while the perp gets away.

6) Resist the temptation to curse/complain/bitch about the cops while you're waiting for us to show up. We're probably busy. Even if we're not, don't expect us to come tear-assing across the precinct lights and sirens to get to you 2 minutes sooner. I have no intention of broadsiding a livery cab and getting fired just because you got your sidekick took.

7) When we do arrive: get in the car, tell us what they looked like and where they went. Something simple. "AGE/RACE/RED HOODIE/BLUE JEANS/NORTH ON BROADWAY" Really all we need.

8) We are now going to "canvass". Get in the #OOPS#ing car. We aren't going to get you shot you #OOPS#ing pussy. Also, comments like "I can't believe this happened to me" or "I'm in shock" or "OH GOD WHY"- shove it. Save it for the bar later. If you haven't actually gotten shot, shived or stomped grow a #OOPS#ing pair and close your mouth.

9) We are now going to drive around and try to arrest someone. Quick con-law refresher for the lib hippy types: if you're in my car, and have given me a description, THAT MEANS WE ARE STOPPING PEOPLE WHO FIT THAT DESCRIPTION. If you told me they are violent or armed, it's probably going to be a felony stop. So when you tell me it's a 15 year old black kid in a red hoodie with a silver pistol, don't be surprised when the car slams to a halt and we jump out and stop a 15 year old black kid in a red hoodie. I am not violating his rights, I am not hassling him because he's a minority. I'm stopping him because YOU GAVE US HIS #OOPS#ING DESCRIPTION. If the kid is not the one who robbed you, he'll be on his way in five minutes. On the other hand, if he is the one who robbed you, he may decide to run/fight/pull out a gun - you don't stop suspected armed robbers by asking pretty please. If this offends you, get the #OOPS# out of my car and go find the guy who mugged you yourself.

10) We failed to find your robber. No surprise: they've probably done this before and had an escape route all planned out. They were probably back in their apartment / subway / taxi before you even called 911. Don't bitch. It happens. This isn't Law And Order.

11) Yes, you are coming back to the precinct to make a #OOPS#ing report. I'm sure the CO, Kelly and Bloomberg would be #OOPS#ing thrilled if you didn't make a report as this helps the compstat stats (you watch the Wire, right?) but if I did all this #OOPS#ing work, you're taking 30 minutes out of your day to make a god-damn report. Also, after you've finished venting about how we're all corrupt, racist, incompetent morons who probably got bullied in High School, you'll remember that you need a police report for your credit card companies, and you'll show up the next morning with a sheepish expression and ask to make a report. Let's do this now while the memory is still fresh.

11a) "You'll never catch the guy", "I don't remember much" and variations thereof are just insulting. Our detectives have been doing this job for years, and despite what TV/Movies taught you, only a small fraction are burned out alcoholics. They probably are going to catch this guy... eventually.

12) No racial language please. The odds are good you just got robbed by a black or hispanic male, and your buried-deep racism may be bubbling to the surface (especially if you're an out of town transplant / college student). The majority of the co-workers on my shift and in the DT squad are minority. It's embarrassing when you use racial slurs in front of them. Amazingly, most cops aren't racist, although we do have a universal contempt for crackheads, gang members, and dumbass white people.

In conclusion: Don't be stupid, pay attention, call the cops, and don't be a dick.




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Posted on: 2008/12/5 14:01
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