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Gotta agree with auilix on this thread. I have been very happy with the PATH overall. I've been commuting from Grove St. to 14th for almost 3 years. The PATH has only made me late for work once, and that was the day the NYC subways were flooded and not running at all. I very rarely am not able to board a train in the morning (although I can see how I might be more frustrated going to WTC). My commute is cheaper and shorter than my coworkers in Brooklyn, Queens, and UWS/UES. I use nynj.net to time the path on the weekends so I am not waiting for 20 mins. Has anyone relied on the MTA during the weekend? I recall waiting up to an hour multiple times for the subway when I lived uptown. Its terrible and construction is always diverting certain lines. The PATH certainly has its frustrations and communication issues, but I think they are comparable to any other mass transit system in the country.
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Tommy, do a comparison of the population of both places. Now does it make sense to you? They already run more trains to JC. There's just a lot more people there.
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+1. While I can complain endlessly about the annoying backpack wearers and the people who decide to bring their smelly breakfast on the train, I have come to accept public transportation as a system fraught with potential for problems, and all things considered, we have it pretty good.
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Right, then they should run even more JSQ trains then. It's not right that the Hoboken twits can spread out onto 4 seats, while we are crammed in going to JSQ. It just doesn't make any sense...isn't Port Authority aware of this discrepancy in ridership? They should either decrease the Hoboken trains or increase the JSQ trains...it's not that difficult to see that something needs to be done. If I was going to Hoboken, I would get a seat every - single - day. Instead, I haven't gotten a seat on the ride home in YEARS.
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Clearly you haven't taken a Hoboken train "in years" because if you did at rush hour - you would get some fat pig grinding into you. Its just as gross as the JSQ/Newark train. Trust me, I get off at Exchange Place so I have my choice of train and they're equally disgusting....
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Well, I get you Tommy, I get ON at Journal Square and I would say 70-80% of the time I have to stand all the way to 33rd Street.
I also take the Hoboken train a few times a month and at 5:45 or 6pm, it's pretty crowded at 33rd street but not at all like the JSQ train. There just aren't enough trains and that probably isn't going to change anytime soon.
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Thanks, but I'm referring to the 33rd Street lines, not the WTC lines. Those who take these trains daily know what I'm talking about.
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Once again this morning, one of the escalators at Journal Square was out of service. By my unscientific estimates, that would make this the ONE MILLIONTH time this has happened in the past four years.
I've never seen escalators needing so much service (and I've seen some heavily used and ancient escalators - Moscow, Paris, London, etc). So, does anybody have any idea why the JSQ escalators need so much work? Honestly, it's like 7 times a month. Are all the escalators in the other PATH stations so pitiful?
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Yes they are
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lol i dont normally go to jsq that much, but i agree it seems like every time i go, the escalators i need are out of order. it's not that far of a walk down or up, but it's definitely an annoyance
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They're down a lot of times on the weekends and non-rush hour times to conserve energy.
But considering how its not that many stairs to trek in JSQ (imagine no escalators at xch pl or wtc) and how many stations don't even have them, it doesn't matter so much.
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They use enough juice to move a million pound train at 30 MPH but they turn off the escalator to save energy? Love it.
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there aren't that many steps in JSQ. Compare to Exchange place, WTC, Staten Island Ferry Depots and subways in NYC, you should consider yourself lucky.
besides if you don't like walking up the stairs use the elevator. if you're rushing don't use the elevator, if nothing satisfies you, then good luck Charlie!
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Have you gotten sick of how lousy the NJ PATH service has gotten over recent years?
Some commuters have banded together and created PATHSUX, an independent survey of NJ PATH train service. If you are as pissed off with their poor service and crowded trains as we are, please fill it out. It is about 30 questions, and shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes to complete. And please pass on this info on to friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers who use the PATH system.
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PATHSUX.com,
an independent survey of NJ PATH train service. After 24hrs, 250+ Responses 59% Rate PATH BELOW AVERAGE, POOR, or UNACCEPTABLE 51% Say PATH is GETTING WORSE, not better 85% Say rush hour trains are TOO CROWDED 86% Say stations are TOO HOT 75% Say PSA's are USELESS & repeat TOO OFTEN 79% Say 'PATH Thursdays' are a WASTE OF $ Now over 500 Responses ! Fill out the survey. And pass this info on to friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers who use the PATH system.
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Why would anyone be surprised with such results? The survey design is flawed and self selecting while hosted with a moniker of "PATHSUX".
If the survey were more objective, the results may very well be the same, if not similar. It would also make a much more credible argument when presented to the folks at PATH and better use of everyone's time involved.
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I have a reverse commute from Exchange Place to Journal Square and your survey does not cover that. Many of my coworkers commute from New York to Journal Square.
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Agreed. Not sure what the point of the survey is, since it's got no real validity beyond it's clever little name. A proper unbiased poll could potential yield some action, or at least some local press. Although the Jersey Journal will cover anything, so who knows...
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I glanced at the survey, decided there was no way it could be unbiased with a name like \"pathsux\", and didn\'t get past that question because I can take either the 33rd or WTC train. On the whole I rather like the PATH. The unlimited cards are cheap, it runs 24 hours, and the new trains are quiet and shiny. Sure, there could be more night/weekend service, and the PA announcements are spectacularly irritating, but I really don\'t mind it for the most part. The worst commutes for me are the ones where the other passengers are the problem, not the train.
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I gotta say, I agree with FakeGreenDress... I think the PATH is awesome. Seriously. Here is a train that gets you from NJ into NYC for less than a buck and a half, and in very little time, and it runs on a schedule, and it is remarkably reliable given its age.
I do the bike/PATH commute (bike to Grove, hop on the PATH, get off at 14th St, then bike the rest of the way) and I follow the same schedule EVERY morning and never run into issues. I take the PATH train that arrives at Grove at 9:32 AM (sometimes it is ONE minute late) and it gets me to 14th St 15 minutes later, normally without delays, or issues. My biggest gripe/complaint has got to be the over-crowding, which has gotten worse over the past two years, as well as the stench of BO during the Summer months. In fact, some days the stench is bad enough to warrant breathing through my mouth, instead of my nose, and turning myself away from the offending party...  Second biggest complaint has got to be the ignorance/apathy of conductors and other staff. On plenty of ocassions, I have had to explain to them the rules and regulations of bikes aboard trains (bikes are allowed at all times, other than weekdays from 6:30 to 9:30 AM, and 3:30 to 6:30 PM, and they are allowed in all cars, other than the first one). I now carry that particular regulation clipped out from their schedule so I can present it to them, when necessary. I have had conductors try and tell me that bikes are not allowed in the first two cars, or not allowed until 7:00 PM, or 10:00 AM. How can the conductors NOT know some of their own basic rules? Anyway, I never understand why people hate the PATH so much. I think it is so much better than riding NJ Transit buses, or even some of the NYC subway lines.
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I must say I do not have a problem with the Path. In the morning one train comes in after another. It is the MTA on the Lexington line that drives me nuts. I know the MTA system is far bigger but they should study the Path. With regards to the crowded train, I do believe I had gotten a seat 3 times in the month of August. I have no problem standing. Also I have only ridden 4 times on the new trains. How many do we have? It seems to me that the World Trade Center direction is using them. I guess it is for a PR purpose. Again I say guess. It looks like all the money poured into the new WTC station they must show off the new trains.
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I agree with FGD, whenever I'm annoyed with the PATH system, 9 times out of 10 it's because of a fellow passenger.
the 10th time it's about the hideous lack of communication when something does go wrong with the system, leaving passengers sitting on unmoving trains for ages with no idea why. the public address system airs Debbie Duhane nonstop with no hiccups, why can't it ever air a decent travel advisory?
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The survey is unbiased as far as I can see.
People can respond positively or negatively to each and every question. If the responses are 80% negative, it is only PATHS fault. New train lines have been added to the survey, so now have all four options for morning commute.
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PATHSUX.com,
an independent survey of NJ PATH train service. After 3 days, 600+ Responses 59% Rate PATH BELOW AVERAGE, POOR, or UNACCEPTABLE 51% Say PATH is GETTING WORSE, not better 85% Say rush hour trains are TOO CROWDED 86% Say stations are TOO HOT 75% Say PSA's are USELESS & repeat TOO OFTEN 79% Say 'PATH Thursdays' are a WASTE OF FUNDS Fill out the survey. And pass this info on to friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers who use the PATH system.
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Unbiased?
This appears just below the survey title "PATHSUX". "Are you sick & tired of overcrowded PATH trains? Here you can fill out a survey to tell PATH Management how fed up you are. Let Your Voice Be Heard!" It's not a survey, it's a complaint forum.
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The scary thing is, he actually believes that's how a poll works.
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What is your opinion of path service?
Great Good Above Average Average Below Average Poor Unacceptable Can't be any fairer than that. Would you like it better if we call it PathIsAllSunshineAndRainbows.com? It's a survey, regardless of the URL. www.PATHSUX.com
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![Open in new window](javascript:CaricaFoto("http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6112/picture3o.png");) Something like this might be a little less biased. Dummy.
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You could get a new URL and hide the fact that you have a bone to pick... It's still an internet poll and therefore completely useless.
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Yes, we do have a bone to pick with PATH.
So far, a vast majority of respondants do as well. That's the whole point. To give them a voice. If you want, YOU can make your own survey at PATHPOLL.com, on your own time. And your results will be +/- 5 percentage points off of ours. Big deal. BTW... Do you also whine about this thread being called "PATH (pathetic attempt at transporting humans)" ?
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So quick recap:
You post a poll under a completely biased URL. People call you out for completely biased URL and classify your site as a complaint site, not a legitimate poll. You say so what about the completely biased URL, what do you want us to make a pro-PATH URL? I point out that you could have registered an unbiased URL. You admit that your poll is completely biased and meant to be that way. LAWL.
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A sampling of survey responses about PATH's numerous deficiencies...
----------------------------------- Cars are filthy! Clean them! Digital Timetable at stations of when trains rrive/depart!!!!!! clean the cars more frequently - they always smell like urine announce times for next arriving trains stay on schedule more elevators (Grove specifically) Fix the A/C on all trains so I don't walk off the train like I took a shower. RUN MORE TRAINS!!! bike capacity in trains Remove cars with little or no Air conditioning fix WTC exit and entrance on vescey st increase service in newark Increased trains on the weekends and late night. They are always packed! Notify people BEFORE they pay their fare of problems on the lines that could cause disruptions PLEASE INSTALL FANS AT THE 9TH ST STOP. PLEEEEASE Ventilation in Station. Presently harmful to ones health! TV's at station should tell you when the next trains are arriving. EXtend to Newark Airport Allow for a direct train from 33rd to JSQ on weekend days (removing the need to go to Hoboken first) Fix the frequency and capacity now! Build New Tunnel Clean the trains and stations improve the quality of voiced announcements and or put them on the over amount of tv screens in the stations Test and improve air quality. Use the TVs for something other than ads for NBC Direct JSQ-33 on Weekends!!! Coordinate with NJ Transit schedules install garbage cans in stations Increase frequency of trains at night and weeknds period. There is no excuse to run trains every 25 minutes that are overcrowded. Every 15 min TOPS... anything that increases ridership capacity somethings gotta give add in poles to new trains and handrails. there is nothing to hold onto once all seats are taken Add More Seats In Station Resume direct weekend service Hoboken-WTC Freaking Trash CANS Add a timing mechanism so we know how long we have to wait for the next train Upgrade SIGNALS so trains can run closer together fix the train speakers... can never understand what the conductor says Clean the cars. The bums sleep on the seats and piss all over them selves. The seats are wet and the cars smell provide a smoother ride Put an indicator on platforms for when the next train is arriving in Hoboken Add new PATH entrance at Newport tailor service to event like the subway does. If there is a rangers or yankees mets game getting out late, plan to have servcie so those people aren't waiting forever on the platform MOVE THE TRAINS OUT AS FAST AS THE WORLD TRADE TRAINS. JOURNAL SQUARE JUST SITS THERE WAITING AND GETTING MORE AND MORE CROWDED ------------------------------- That's 43 complaints vs 2 responses saying "path is ok". A ration of negative:positive that is 20:1. Great Job PATH!
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and calling your survey "PATHsux" in no way predetermines who'll click on it.
moron. (and of course, a survey entitled "PATHsux" is going to be taken VERY seriously by the folks at the Port Authority. double moron.)
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How is it that the escalator repairpersons keep their jobs? These escalators never remain in full working order for more than a day or two at a time.
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Actually that was the longest stretch of them working is a long time.
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It's precisely how they keep their jobs. The Maytag repairman they are not.
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Do you really need that escalator that badly?
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I would not be surprised if the escalators at the station were indoor escalators rather than outdoor or all weather variety, which would explain why they fail so easily.
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yes, there are disabled people in this city. The Path train is not very ADA friendly but that is there half ass way of doing something.
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I can't imagine an escalator being very helpful to most disabled people. I have a crippled friend who can't even get onto one, but can walk upstairs. But maybe I'm overlooking something.
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The real question is why is there no elevator at Grove St. Path station, especially in the big black spaceship entrance on the corner of Marin & CC? The lack of an elevator makes the station practically unusable for anyone in a wheelchair or with a large stroller.
The piddly escalator is really only for the lazy (myself included) who don't want to walk up a few stairs, as it is too small for most mobility devices and does nothing to help people will the real climb down to the platform. Any developer who finally builds out that lot on the corner of Marin and CC should be required to install a public elevator to the platform.
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A few years ago when PATH re-opened the eastern entrance to the Grove Station they had a perfect opportunity to install an elevator. They did not. What they did in fact was to create an entrance where you now had to go up a half dozen steps to go down. Not good.
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I fell down on the up escalator and couldn't get off for three hours till it finally did break down!!!
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If you walk with a cane it is a lot better than using the stairs. the grove street station is difficult for disabled people in general. I'm a cripple and ever little bit helps. The PATH is horrible about ADA access. At Pavonia they have that horrible ramp. some disabilities make it harder to walk up a ramp than stairs. I don't think any are ADA in the city aside from 33rd. There are many ways to be a gimp.
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The escalators are not only for the lazy. There are plenty of older, pregnant, or just plain not-feeling-well people who don't necessarily need the assistance of an elevator but who strain up the stairs.
But I agree, the issues really are 1) why doesn't the PATH invest in accessible stations and 2) why are our tax dollars paying the wages of repairpersons who can't keep the existing system working for more than a day or two at a time?
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Technically, its not your tax dollars. Rather, its the user fees you pay. The Port Authority operates without subsidy from state governments relying on fees collected at ports, airports, tolls, and PATH fares.
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So last night while complaining about escalators, it was brought to my attention that even if you're disabled and using those escalators helps you, you still have to walk up TWICE AS MANY STAIRS just to get to the escalators.
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So last night while complaining about escalators, it was brought to my attention that even if you're disabled and using those escalators helps you, you still have to walk up TWICE AS MANY STAIRS just to get to the escalators. Does anyone know why didn't they install an elevator when they put in the new station at Grove Street?
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