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I didn't even think that it would be full o' bills. They should empty the things regularly. I've really been screwed many times.

Another serious beef, and I know this has been mentioned before. When I wait at the 23rd Street platform, weekdays, between 6:30 and 8:00 usually...the Hoboken-bound train that comes by is frigging EMPTY. Seriously sometimes the first couple of cars are EMPTY, and the middle cars have plenty of seats that remain empty.

Meanwhile, in this same timeframe, the JSQ-bound trains are ALL packed to the gills by 23rd Street, most times.

I'd imagine that Port Authority is interested in reducing costs....so why does this happen? Why don't they, at the very least, reduce the frequency of trains to Hoboken?

Obviously for us JCers the best solution would be to ADD more frequent service to the JSQ line...but you'd think that the Hoboken trains would be reduced. Seriously some of those trains are empty, when the JSQ trains are packed...not only is it not fair to us, but it just doesn't make sense. Doesn't the Port Authority do feasibility research, and adjust their service based on needs?

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I have a question. Why sometimes do the kiosks NOT accept bills, at the Grove Street station? There are 2 kiosks, and it seems that most times, at least when I am using them, that at least one of the two says "No Bills".

Quite a few times, BOTH machines have said "No Bills". How frustrating is that!

You add intervals of $, whether it's $5, $10, $20...so no change is needed. There must be a reason for this "No Bills" mode...but for the life of me I cannot figure it out. Anybody know?

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Has the section of Pavonia Avenue alongside the Pavonia-Newport PATH station been officially renamed?

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OK Why is it everyday when I return from Manhattan to Grove Street none of the machines take bills.Sometimes either my Smartcard or Metrocard is running low. I would rather do it upon my return when I am just going home than stand in line in the morning . The morning people, from my own experience, either do not know how to work the machine or scramble trying to find change to make their purchase. I know I know I could do it elsewhere but have you ever tried to use the machines @ 14th and Christopher street in the hurricane like winds. Ok that's all for now


@Brooklynboy: I just started using the auto-replenish feature on the PATH SmartLink card and, so far, it rocks. Every time my card falls below a certain amount (I think it's $5), it automatically adds another $20. I was wary of trusting PATH not to screw it up but it's worked beautifully. Turns out not having to stand in line behind (seemingly) every tourist/person who's never used a touch screen really is priceless...

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OK Why is it everyday when I return from Manhattan to Grove Street none of the machines take bills.Sometimes either my Smartcard or Metrocard is running low. I would rather do it upon my return when I am just going home than stand in line in the morning . The morning people, from my own experience, either do not know how to work the machine or scramble trying to find change to make their purchase. I know I know I could do it elsewhere but have you ever tried to use the machines @ 14th and Christopher street in the hurricane like winds. Ok that's all for now

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Been riding the PATH for 21 years now. It has always been a pretty reliable, no-frills mode of transport. I usually ride in the off-peak hours because of my work schedule. On the few occassions that I ride them at peak hours it is shocking how many more people there are nowadays. I blame the city for allowing developers to cram more and more people into this area with no regard to services or infrastructure. The PATH can only run so many trains on their 2 tracks. Our mayors clawing for more pay-outs and "ratables" equals a claustrophobic ride through the bowels of hell. The impossible dream? A walking bridge to NYC.

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Everyone should direct their concerns to PATHCustomerService@panynj.gov rather than only posting them here or relying on PATHSux.com. Communications with customer service are reviewed by executive level personnel and complaints on particular issues are aggregated. Customer complaints are useful to PA employees looking to make improvements, but that often encounter resistance from higher ups and higher level policy makers.

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there is also no pole to dance on or hold between the doors. Thus crowding more people around the seats.

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I noticed on the new trains which all have 3 doors on each side prevent an open area between the end of the seat and the doors. This open area was a terrific sopt for baby carriages, wheel chairs, and folding bikes. With a bungee cord you could anchor the bike over the arm rest bar of the end seat. Half of the old trains are 2 door models, now with the revamp it is less appealing, also wear your sunglasses.

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In Transit Goes to Jersey City

By Jennifer Weiss/The Star-Ledger
November 30, 2009, 12:01AM

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Edwin Fuentes, Jersey City
Age: 43
Occupation: Travel agent
Lives in: Journal Square, Jersey City
Coming from: World Trade Center PATH Station

What are you doing downtown?
I’m coming from work and visiting my sister. We’re celebrating my niece’s birthday. They’ve got pizza waiting and a cake.

Nice. How long have you been taking the PATH?

I’m a native of Jersey City, so since ’89 -’90.

How has the transit system changed over the years?

For the better, but there’s still a lot of room for improvement. It’s like the area is growing quicker than what they can do for the rail system. You have to wake up and say, ‘This is what’s happening to Jersey City!’ The crowd is here, and more people are coming.

What do you think needs to be fixed?
Folks with disabilities and senior citizens, to get from the train platform to the street, sometimes you see them struggling. No one’s there to open the gate for them. Escalators are out of order, and the crowds of people at rush hour are horrendous.

What do you like?
I love the fact that it’s a 15-minute ride to my office.

What was the last international trip you took?
Barcelona.

What transit systems around the world have you liked best? I loved London, Paris. Barcelona was great. Rome, they’ve got it together. But I usually take a car service when I’m traveling.

Do you have a car here? Where do you drive?
I have a Honda hybrid that I take shopping. On the weekends, I’ll definitely get in the car even though there’s the $8 or $6 toll, because I know I’ll get through the tunnel in a few seconds. But unfortunately, I have to deal with the iron horse on a weekly basis.

Every month, we interview a person (or people) taking mass transit. Reading this on a train? You could be next.

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I just found this:

If your Pay-Per-Ride MetroCard expires, you have two years from the expiration date to transfer any remaining money to a new card. Within the first year after expiration, bring your expired card to any subway station and ask the agent to make the transfer. After that time, the expired MetroCard must be sent to MetroCard customer claims. Ask the station agent for a postage-paid Business Reply Envelope.

http://www.mta.info/metrocard/problems.htm

Damn I did have a card with about 10c left back in 2003.

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I prefer the separate cards for the separate systems. I use the subway every day, I only use the PATH two or three times a month. With the different fares on the two systems, plus both of their potential discounts, I found it very cumbersome to purchase amounts on a MetroCard that would work out evenly and wind up with a zero balance. Given the mag stripe on MetroCards and the propensity for them to wear out, I don't want to re-use them past the $45 fill that is the current amount that winds up getting a discount and also zeros out properly. The PATHLink is actually a better system. Tap it once, it works, and I can re-fill it online, and I know the card will last forever (or as long as PATH keeps them active). I keep the PATH card as well as my ferry and subway cards and my work ID/Security card in a plastic ID card container which is tethered to my belt, so I never have to pull out my wallet for any of those items.


As somebody else pointed out earlier, whenever you recharge your MTA pay-per-ride card within one month of expiration date, the system will ask you whether you want a new card with the balance transferred to it.

Better yet, MTA launched Easy Pay Xpress card early this year. You can either get a monthly pass or a pay-per-ride card. If the latter, your card will be automatically re-filled with pre-specified amount, say $20 when the balance falls below some threshold, just like EZ-pass.

Still, using PATH smartlink card saves you some money if you don't commute to New York everyday AND go to NYC on weekends frequently.

Warning: both EasyPayXpress and SmartLink Card with auto replenishment record your detailed trip info (time and place). So if you have an affair outside your marriage, make sure you cover it up.

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SmartLink cards actually DO cost a good bit more to make than a metrocard -- there's actually a chip inside them, and they're designed to last. (Someone managed to get the chip out of an Oyster card -- the card they use in the London tubes -- and put it into a magic wand!) The $5 fee is annoying, yes, but it's mainly there to get people to treat the card with a little more care than you would a Metrocard or paper ticket.

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Maybe I'm missing something, with Smartcards.
What is the advantage?


Hi Tommy, As the others have explained there is a major discount in purchasing the SmartLink card. If you're a daily commuter such as myself you can either pay $54 for unlimited 30 days or $52 for 40 trips. Since I get the monthly it averages the cost out for me to less than $1.20 per trip since I use it about 42-44 times in 30 days (and sometimes more depending on the month).
You can't buy a monthly Metrocard for the PATH. And even though you get a 15% discount for purchasing $54 on the Metrocard you still get charged $1.75 per trip when you use it on the PATH. So in Metrocard math:
$54 on the card would give you $62.10 on the card which you could only use 35 times on the PATH with $0.85 remaining.
Before I purchase a monthly I do the math and calculate how many times I expect to take the PATH for 30 days (including vacations, weekends and holidays) to see if it makes sense. I do the same for the Metrocard because in the winter months esp December I take the subway almost everyday too. In the summer I walk the 10 blocks to the PATH station to save myself a few bucks.

My issue is not with the SmartLink program itself it is with the $5 fee for replacement cards. I think it is a big rip off of the public. Everytime you want a new card you have to spend $5 regardless if it was lost or stolen. I doubt the cards cost more than a few cents to manufacture so this is big money maker for the Port Authority. I bet when the MTA switches over to it there will be a big public outcry about this bait and switch. $5 for card that you have to pay to replace for another $5 is outrageous imo. I think it should be replaced for free at least one time before you have to pay again or you should be able to turn in the old card for a replacement if you find it again.

They claimed on the phone that my previously lost card cannot be reprogrammed. So I wrote to SmartLink complaining about the situation:

"I’m disappointed with the SmartLink card program. I lost my $5 SmartLink card a couple of months ago and then found it again. I called customer service to have it reactivated and found out that once the card is reported lost or stolen it is permanently disabled. I find that extremely disappointing since I paid $5 for a card that is only replaceable for a fee. So I’ve paid $10 now for 1 SmartLink card.

You should really consider allowing people to reactivate cards if found, giving people a 1 time replacement or allowing people to return them for a free replacement. It’s a lot of money you are charging people for a plastic card that probably costs your company not more than $0.10.
Thanks for taking the time to read my concerns."

And this is the stupid answer I received from them:

"The card isn't killed when you report it lost it's hotlisted. We disable the card once you call and replace it with a new one because we transfer your trips from that card to the new card. If we don't disable the lost card then you will not be able to receive those trips from that lost card.

Thanks for your inquiry and feel free to contact us any time.

Sincerely,
SmartLinkService (AK)"

Typically, they didn't address my complaint and white washed it with some public relations bull crap.

Anyhow I just wanted to point this out to people in case they weren't aware of it. I don't know if SmartLink is a private company or what but somebody, either SmartLink or the Port Authority is making huge profits off these cards.

Nobody else seems to be as outraged or pissed off about it as me, so I'm letting it go now. Thanks for letting me vent.

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I prefer the separate cards for the separate systems. I use the subway every day, I only use the PATH two or three times a month. With the different fares on the two systems, plus both of their potential discounts, I found it very cumbersome to purchase amounts on a MetroCard that would work out evenly and wind up with a zero balance. Given the mag stripe on MetroCards and the propensity for them to wear out, I don't want to re-use them past the $45 fill that is the current amount that winds up getting a discount and also zeros out properly. The PATHLink is actually a better system. Tap it once, it works, and I can re-fill it online, and I know the card will last forever (or as long as PATH keeps them active). I keep the PATH card as well as my ferry and subway cards and my work ID/Security card in a plastic ID card container which is tethered to my belt, so I never have to pull out my wallet for any of those items.

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Even if you put $13 dollars on your Smartlink card you get 10 rides for $1.30. You do not even have to take it out of your wallet. It reads it with the tap to the machine because of a chip. Also the magnetic strip on the Metrocards wear out and I have lost money because of that. Also the Smartlink saves you almost $1 a day. That does add up after time.

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With the Smartcard, I pay $1.30 a trip when I buy 40 trips. Also, I think it is a little faster going through the turnstile.

At Journal Square, it looks like they are installing MasterCard PayPass at the old cash turnstile at the end. You can use your Mastercard to ride the Path train. I don't know when it will be ready.

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Maybe I'm missing something, with Smartcards.

What is the advantage?

Why would I carry one card to access the PATH, and another card to access the NYC subways, when I can have one, very slim card (Metrocard) that I can refill and gives me access to both transit systems?

I don't understand Smartcards.

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Does anyone else think this SmarkLink card is a rip off?
So I lost my SmartLink card a couple of months ago. I thought it was stolen, so I reported it. Well it's $5 to replace the card (that I already paid $5 for). Silly me I assumed the replacement cost is free, at least I thought that's what they were saying when they were pushing the thing back in the begining. Well I paid the $5 fee because I get a monthly and I need to use SmartLink for that. Well it turns out the card fell out of my pocket at work and I found the card last week under one of my file cabinets. I thought "Yay I'll just have it reactivated and now my BF can have one too". I called customer service and guess what? Once you deactive the card it can never be reactivated again. So there's $5 down the toilet.
So I've spent $10 on plastic cards that probably cost 10 cents to produce. I wrote to the SmartLink people "voicing my concerns", but I doubt I'll get a reasonable response. So I just wanted to give all you SmartLink folks out there a heads up: hold on to your card for dear life.

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This is a very good blog about the plight of disabled PATH riders. God I hope I never break a leg.

http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... semi-disabled-path-rider/

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I just wanted to say in my opinion PATH did not suck this Saturday night. They ran extra trains for the Halloween Parade. The trains were still full but in a normal morning commute sort of way, at least it was that way when I went home at 1am. Thank you PATH for listening to our complaints.

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13 Injured in Manhattan Train Accident

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Manhattan, NY - 13 people were injured Wednesday morning in a PATH train accident at the 33rd Street Station near Herald Square in Manhattan.

The 7:59 a.m. train out of Hoboken, NJ arrived at Penn Station about 8:15 a.m. carrying 425 to 450 passengers on the seven-car train. When the train failed to stop, it crashed into a bumping block designed to halt trains that fail to stop at the end of the line and absorb the impact.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey operate the PATH train. Jennifer Friedberg, a Port Authority spokesperson, said thirteen people reported minor injuries. Seven people, including two crewmembers, were taken to nearby hospitals and the rest declined medical attention. The fire department stated between 60 and 80 fire personnel responded to the accident scene.

The accident is under investigation. Port Authority officials did not release how fast the train was moving when it crashed into the bumping block or the cause of the accident.

If you or a family member has been hurt while using or suffered injury by a mass transit bus or train, call Napoli Bern Ripka, LLP today at 888-529-4669. There is a possibility of collecting compensation for lost wages, medical expenses, pain and suffering, and present and future disability. Only an experienced attorney can help you determine if your claim has merit and, if so, how much you could recover. Do not discuss your case without having an experienced legal representative to advise you.

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I always save my farts for the PATH train, especially when I'm standing.

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Hah, I've been riding the PATH daily for over 11 years and I swear the farting has become epidemic. I mostly notice it on the rides home and I figured that those people had been saving up all day just to release on the PATH. I wish I could have witnessed the ranter.

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wrong again. A large part of the Netherlands is below sea level and they do just fine over there.



Not wrong again. If you read my post carefully, I said that levees are pointless and that areas are called flood zones for a reason. Naturally those areas are prone to flood. And areas along the coast that are below sea level will naturally flood or be submerged for some period of time. Do you deny the fact that those areas below sea level would normally be flooded? So unless the laws of physics have been upended, I don't see how I am wrong. You may disagree with my opinion that levees are pointless, and I will give you that much, but please state that more clearly.

I find it very arrogant of any people to try to control nature. People forget that environmental systems are dynamic and trying to control or preserve these systems for their own selfish purposes is extreme arrogance.

Nature is unrelenting and we often fail to see consequences down the road or understand the extremely complex dynamic system that nature is. Just because we believe that we are controlling a system does not necessarily mean we are are actually controlling it. It's more of delaying the inevitable, and the inevitable is usually more catastrophic than when nature is allowed to run its course. Am I saying the the Netherlands will be flooded? No. I don't know that. What I do know is that a natural cycle has been disturbed and I will not presume to know what the consequences in the future (and I'm talking long term geologic time here not just next year or decade) will be.

Back to the PATH, I agree with FrankM. Give the system some time to work any and all kinks out.

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It's called Planned Obsolescence...

For example, how much you want to bet that roads will have to be repaved again in 10 years. If you've ever driven on a highway in Germany...



Germany certainly does have excellent roadways, but their construction and maintenance costs money. Where do you think it comes from?



My point is, if you want something built correctly the first time go to the experts...


Okay... staying relevant to the point you claimed that the new PATH trains were constructed with the idea of "planned obsolescence" in mind. I disagree. As evidence of the entire vehicle's allegedly suspect nature, you cite inoperative air conditioning systems while having no knowledge of their mode of failure. That's in an incomplete, if not cynical, assessment. If PATH and/or Kawasaki really wanted to cut corners, the stainless steel skin would have been the first premium item to be eliminated as its most valuable trait is longevity. I do agree we should defer to experts when we want something built correctly. Fortunately, Kawasaki is an expert in the construction of rail cars. Aside from one simple issue that will most likely be resolved, is there anything else that indicates to you they were built to a low standard? Have you experienced problems with acceleration, braking, door operation, or any other critical function? I haven't.

Regarding the DC accident, little direct comparison can be made. The NTSB had previously expressed concern about the safety of old cars which was not related to anecdotal problems with air conditioning systems. The sky isn't falling just yet.

Off topic, I've heard the "Why can't America do things the way Germany does," argument too many times before. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Aside from cigarettes and beer virtually everything seems to cost more in Germany, and not just by a small margin. It has a all-powerful federal system that is able to employ a one-size-fits-all approach that simply won't fly in our much less homogeneous society. It is also has 25% of the population of U.S but less than 4% of the area. I know jack about geopolitics, socioeconomics, or whatever academic fields this issue falls under, but common sense and simple math tells me their approach does not have the potential to scale up effectively. Besides, German citizens are not saving money over the long term by taking a bigger hit on first-cost. They may reap the benefits in other ways, but they still keep paying and paying. There's a strong chance I may be living there in the future, Hamburg preferably, but I'm not thrilled about certain economic prospects.

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thats the SECOND time i've heard the A/C was broken in a new train. when will they learn you get what you pay for. its like the elevators at the lite rail 9th street station. every week one goes down.


It's called Planned Obsolescence and it permeates everything from consumer products to public transportation. 50 years ago stuff was built to last, now you can figure on a 10 year life span at the most at the taxpayer and consumer's expense.

For example, how much you want to bet that roads will have to be repaved again in 10 years. If you've ever driven on a highway in Germany you would see no pot holes, no cracks, rarely. The reason why is they use better and more durable contrustruction materials. Failure is built into the system here in the US because the contractors get big bucks from the state to repair and replace. And the money flow from planned obsolescence keeps our good old economy afloat. The Story of Stuff


Germany certainly does have excellent roadways, but their construction and maintenance costs money. Where do you think it comes from? The fruits of their impressive taxation policies and fuel prices seem obvious. Also, are you sure they use better materials? Higher traffic volume, greater vehicle weight, and a more severe climate all contribute to accelerated wear of roadways in the northeastern United States relative to Germany.


Nope German roadways are specifically designed to last longer and the weather conditions just as harsh as the northeast with snowy mountainous regions in the south and low lying shorelines in the north. Yes it does come at price but it's done right the first time and cost the same over the long term.
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http://international.fhwa.dot.gov/pubs/pl07027/llcp_07_03.cfm
German Autobahn History

My point is, if you want something built correctly the first time go to the experts. Another example: levee construction in the US is completely inferior compared to Europe. The Dutch are far superior at constructing dykes and they are built to hold.

Back to the PATH trains:
My beef is on several occasions, not just one, I've encountered a new train with a/c failure. The conductor confirmed it was broken and apologized, so it's not a failure of how to operate the equipment. I think it's unacceptable. If I'm spending a $1Mil on a piece of equipment I expect it to work. An A/C problem is a pretty minor issue, but I think it foreshadows problems to come down the line. If that is failing already, what else is going to fail on these trains in the future? A failure on these trains can cost lives. Look what happened in DC earlier this year. Equipment failures should be taken seriously no matter how minor.

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thats the SECOND time i've heard the A/C was broken in a new train. when will they learn you get what you pay for. its like the elevators at the lite rail 9th street station. every week one goes down.


It's called Planned Obsolescence and it permeates everything from consumer products to public transportation. 50 years ago stuff was built to last, now you can figure on a 10 year life span at the most at the taxpayer and consumer's expense.

For example, how much you want to bet that roads will have to be repaved again in 10 years. If you've ever driven on a highway in Germany you would see no pot holes, no cracks, rarely. The reason why is they use better and more durable contrustruction materials. Failure is built into the system here in the US because the contractors get big bucks from the state to repair and replace. And the money flow from planned obsolescence keeps our good old economy afloat. The Story of Stuff


Germany certainly does have excellent roadways, but their construction and maintenance costs money. Where do you think it comes from? The fruits of their impressive taxation policies and fuel prices seem obvious. Also, are you sure they use better materials? Higher traffic volume, greater vehicle weight, and a more severe climate all contribute to accelerated wear of roadways in the northeastern United States relative to Germany.

Civil projects are constructed to meet a specified budget and life span, but they are not planned to become "obsolete" or maintenance nightmares as some sort of greedy maneuver. Granted, the aspect of quality in consumer goods is valued in European counties more so than in the United States where we tend to be more keen on quantity, but that's another discussion.

That brings us back to our fancy new Japanese trains--do they really appear to you as being built to a low standard?? An inoperative air conditioning system is hardly grounds to throw the train under the bus, especially considering that many operators and technicians are probably not yet intimately familiar with the new cars.

Regardless of this weekend's confusion or a recent half-assed internet survey, PATH has taken a phenomenal number of people to and from Manhattan at least five days a week during the past few years without fail. It's orders of magnitude more reliable than an MTA subway system that is a perpetual machine of frustrating surprises.

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thats the SECOND time i've heard the A/C was broken in a new train. when will they learn you get what you pay for. its like the elevators at the lite rail 9th street station. every week one goes down.


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