Browsing this Thread:
1 Anonymous Users
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
 
Joined:
2012/1/11 18:21 Last Login : 2019/12/26 15:30 From GV Bayside Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
5356
 |
Just signed up for UnitedHealthCare, $190.00 a month no co pay, and no referrals needed. You just have to shop around. I been shopping for 4 months. There are good plans out there you just have to do your homework. Good Luck everyone!
Posted on: 2014/2/2 13:11
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Whoa this is a really loaded statement. How many people on the plan? What ages? What genders? What will the co/pay, co insurance, deductible be? Maximum out of pocket? These are all factors. The most costly people to insure are girls/women aged from 12-45. The next high risk group are young men. The lowest group is the elderly. You cannot just put a number out there like that without any other information. It is not a perfect system yet, but we can't just keep going the way we were.
Posted on: 2014/2/2 8:02
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
What do you mean "who is going to pay"? You do! But, this is just the beginning. Wait till the social-security-medicare and the rest goes bankrupt, and the new generation says "hey, old people, we didn't vote for this, we are not paying 90% taxes to keep the promises you made to yourselves!" - and that will happen just when you wanted to retire...
Posted on: 2014/2/2 4:24
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Well, if you want to know what that part means, why not reading some other things that its authors and the people they discussed it with wrote on the subject elsewhere ? Also, mind my asking, the phrases "the right of the people peaceably to assemble", "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", "the right of the people to be secure in their persons", - do they follow the same pattern, and talk about same things, like in all cases it is about natural rights of all the people that the Bill of Rights aims to protect? Or do you think that the authors didn't care how clearly they express their thoughts and used the same phrase but with different meaning in every sentence? Second, how did you figure that "not as much now"? I mean, after all the revelations about the NSA snooping, and the IRS, and the ongoing militarization of the police forces that are buying unused military arms and tools, - you don't really believe that this Government is less likely to attack your rights than in Washington's time?
Posted on: 2014/2/2 4:07
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Not too shy to talk
|
I am a democrat. I voted for Obama twice. Newest quote from Blue Cross/ Blue Shield $1905 a month up from $1075.
I'm all for universal health care...but who is going to pay for it? This should not be a democrat/ republican thing...
Posted on: 2014/1/31 18:24
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
LOL! A fake video is your evidence... yawn.
Posted on: 2014/1/31 15:42
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
Um, you're going off the deep end. I'm reading the actual law and there is this little part in there about militias. Seems to me that there was a purpose behind people being allowed to carry guns back then. Not as much now...
Posted on: 2014/1/31 15:40
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2008/6/5 10:12 Last Login : 2016/11/8 21:51 From Jersey City
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
704
|
Why can't GOP find a genuine ACA horror story that can withstand an even modest scrutiny?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bette-spokane#break
Posted on: 2014/1/31 14:53
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
WTAE-PA: Pennsylvania Small Business Hit With Skyrocketing Obamacare costs This is basically the second part of Obamacare, that the King "postponed" for a year, and that is going to unroll during the following months...
Posted on: 2014/1/31 4:32
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
I didn't expect you to. The truths that we hold self-evident are obviously not self-evident to everyone. My point is, - the ideas that all people are created equal, and that they have equal rights, and among those the right to life, and that the government is instituted to protect those rights, - they are not something that in our view needs proof. This is our core belief system.
Posted on: 2014/1/31 4:11
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
Is it? I don't think so.
Posted on: 2014/1/31 0:51
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
This is not something that we prove. This is something that we hold self-evident.
Posted on: 2014/1/31 0:25
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
What do firearms have to do with any of this? You can't even prove that people have the right to own a gun...
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:42
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Yeah and it's legal to get firearms in many states but some make it a complete pain in the ass. What's your point?
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:37
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
You clearly didn't read what was in there. It doesn't just require you to pay for itself. It completely removes the option that you could opt into a healthcare plan that would pay for it for you. Previously, the laws allowed for subsidies that would pay for parts of the healthcare plan, the parts that weren't abortion related. Now, it won't pay for any part of the plan because abortion is included. This means abortions aren't going to be $450 because health insurance picks up the rest. This means the whole cost, largely placed on the poor, will be the burden of the individual. In short: It's backwards thinking.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:33
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
I don't think the law will be overturned. There is far too much money to be had by the law existing (They'll take away abortion, give us money! They want to kill babies, give us money!). However, laws that are put forward continue to make it more and more difficult than it should be. Since you don?t find Ohio surprising, how about North Dakota: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/ ... -assume-abortion-illegal/ How about South Dakota: http://www.policymic.com/articles/284 ... g-times-in-u-s-introduced How about Wisconsin: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepol ... b9967923z1-218162671.html Look at the dates on all of those articles, including those cited above, and you?ll notice they were laws put into effect in 2013. Those are laws specifically designed to make abortion as difficult as possible. I?ll let you guess which anti-government-intervention-into-healthcare party pushed for those laws to pass?
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:30
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Yes pebble you're proving my point. This new law codifies the Hyde amendment to keep federal funds from paying for abortions through subsidies from ACA. The titles of the articles are misnomers. "Sweeping anti abortion bill" is a flat out lie. Abortion is still legal. And In fact 17 states still provide state funding for abortions.
So again, no ones taking away your abortions. They're just asking you pay for it yourself. And by yourself, this means without private insurance subsidized by federal dollars. I'm sorry but that's compromise. Again I'm 100% pro choice. Government should have no say in the legality of abortion other than to support a woman's right to have one. But I also understand the issue of public money directly or indirectly subsidizing it and can see why people might take umbrage with this. Abortion will never be outlawed. Never. Ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:24
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
If you ever think roe v wade is ever going to be overturned, I think we will be selling each other the same bridges and tunnels. It's NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. If it ever did I'd be right next to you as we march down to Washington.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:17
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
Irony...? I don't hear anyone saying the government needs to pay for abortions. I have read, and posted above, an article about the impact the law has on how insurance companies would provide for it. The only people raging on and on are conservatives that hate the ACA but are anti-abortion. Quote me someone claiming the government should pay for abortion and I might take some stock, if ever so small, in your strawman argument.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:11
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You are saying that it?s more costly and provide zero evidence. In regards to the economic competition? Let?s see, much of Europe and Canada have universal healthcare. Canada and Australia subsidize their steel industry. China downgrades its own currency? those are just examples of economic decisions other countries make that impact our own. You may not like this fact, but it?s the reality. There is no such thing as Honda v. Dodge and the only reason Honda sells more is because it is a better car. No, Honda sells more because they can lower their costs because the Japanese protects domestic products with tariffs on imports. Quote:
If you don?t believe that Republicans are working towards eliminating abortions, I?ve a tunnel to Manhattan to sell you. Just look at the laws passed in Ohio (Link). In regards to the claim that this specific ad is propaganda bs, I?ll give you the national Journal (link): Quote: However, the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act would take restrictions further, essentially codifying and significantly expanding the Hyde Amendment. The bill seeks to make the amendment permanent law, and to prevent federal funds from going not just toward abortions themselves but toward any plan, provider, or facility that offer such services. But, yeah, go on and claim the ad is just propaganda BS while ignoring the very impact this would have on policies.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 21:09
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
But what makes me laugh about the left pro
Choice folks is that in one breath you hear "government needs to stay out of abortions!!" And then "government better pay for my abortions!!" Where the f*ck did common goddamn sense go in this country?
Posted on: 2014/1/30 20:53
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Finally someone posted this piece of propaganda bullshit. Keep in mind I'm 110% pro choice. All this is is an update to the Hyde act to update for federal dollars funneled through obamacare.
Federal money is already banned from paying for abortions and this act just ensures no exceptions through ACA. but of course it gets plastered as "REPUBLICANS ARE DOING AWAY WITH ABORTIONS!!" Please grow a brain atsushi. No ones taking away your abortions. They're just putting the responsibility on you to pay for your own mistake. And at $450 a pop, if you need that many abortions that you can't afford them, you've got bigger problems. This meme is in itself, an intellectual abortion. Quote:
Posted on: 2014/1/30 20:40
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
of course, costs trump all other expenses
Posted on: 2014/1/30 20:08
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Evidence please. Show your work. So far the more government gets involved (Medicare, Medicaid) the costlier it gets.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 19:59
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2013/3/29 21:43 Last Login : 2023/9/5 18:27 From Bergen Hill
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
1980
|
Quote:
Evidence, please. Show your work. I am also curious to learn if there are people opting out due to spite. For instance you have the people that run out and buy guns in bulk every time a Democrat is elected president. There are things that the government needs to do in order to compete economically on a global stage. Healthcare is one such area.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 19:54
|
|||
|
Dos A Cero
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
More people have no health insurance post Obamacare than before. We were better off doing nothing.
Posted on: 2014/1/30 15:30
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
well, the GOP had 8 years under GWB to do something...Obama made a first stab so let's all work together to improve ObamaCare
Posted on: 2014/1/30 15:06
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
hero69 wrote: Of course you aren't! You are going to get into an here-is-an-anecdote slganeering. Quote: hero69 wrote: Yes, and Obama criticized Bush for snooping on terrorists, - and now he is quite enthusiastic about total spying on all Americans. Yes, some people claim to respect other's rights and the Constitution but it is just words they say to look good. And some people do believe in those things, but given an opportunity, sell out. What's your point?
Posted on: 2014/1/30 14:54
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2008/6/5 10:12 Last Login : 2016/11/8 21:51 From Jersey City
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
704
|
Posted on: 2014/1/29 16:32
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Obamacare...creating more working poor.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
"The senators said they would guarantee that private insurance could be obtained without consideration of illness or pre-existing conditions for Americans who maintain continuous coverage." A promising premise, but absent a mandate (e.g., similar to the requirement for automobile or condomium insurance by the State and lenders) how might this be achieved? "People who experience a gap in their coverage would be subject to medical underwriting, in which insurers would charge them more based on their health." This seems to undermine a main tenent of of the PPACA, and would seemingly bring us back to where we are now.
Posted on: 2014/1/29 15:31
|
|||
|
||||