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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!


I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

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Reminds me of an old saying: "dog bites mailman, old news. Mailman bites dog, NOW you've got a story!"

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

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Awww that was so cute robin! But, no.


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So nyrgravey9, the guy who started out with a dog-crap crusade one could support, has grown gradually bolder, exposing his gun-nut mindset, and culminating today in this unfiltered racism of breathtaking ignorance.


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Italians were [n]ever given: affirmative action preference, special interest groups with the clout of, say, NAACP, etc, their own category on college applications to make sure they had enough Italians in any given school, amnesty for illegal Italian immigrants, dream act status, blah blah blah and yet Italians in America seem to be doing pretty well for the most part no?


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You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

Godwin's law corollary on JCRaciaList.


You do know that blacks in Africa SOLD their brethren, yes?

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Part of this has to do with the fathers getting arrested, but this is largely a cultural problem. Many black women feel no need to have a father figure for their kids or to get married. This NBC article does a GREAT job covering this issue.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns ... others-rate/#.UraKGrQWmMM

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The legacy of segregation, the logic goes, means blacks are more likely to attend inferior schools. This creates a high proportion of blacks unprepared to compete for jobs in today's economy, where middle-class industrial work for unskilled laborers has largely disappeared.

The drug epidemic sent disproportionate numbers of black men to prison, and crushed the job opportunities for those who served their time. Women don't want to marry men who can't provide for their families, and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single.



Implies it's more down to poverty, discrimination and bad sentencing/welfare policies, than your notion of a "cultural problem".

Here's a related interesting read:
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/21/how_a ... ned_its_undeserving_poor/



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I think that if there is a problem strictly related to "black culture" then I think you would have to consider all the factors that contribute to it. Others have mentioned slavery but one should also consider institutional racism, slanted court systems, poverty and lack of parental guidance. Of the 8 people I have helped the police catch and arrest 5 were Hispanic, 2 were white and 1 was black.


Well my example of 1.8 million people was the "worst example ever" but your example of 8 people is far more credible...

Now I think we agree on many of the causes of their culture. The problem is what to do about it. The status quo for the past several decades has been for people to bury their heads in the sand, blame everything in existence, such as poverty, white people, etc., but above all never look in the mirror. Playing the blame game and asking for handouts will do nothing to actually solve any current problems, much of which have been caused by the reasons you mentioned.

One huge cultural problem is that so many black kids are raised with single mothers, as their fathers abandon the family. The last stat I saw said that 72% of black kids were born to single mothers. There's a good chance that all four of the scumbags who killed the guy at the mall were raised with no father figure.

Part of this has to do with the fathers getting arrested, but this is largely a cultural problem. Many black women feel no need to have a father figure for their kids or to get married. This NBC article does a GREAT job covering this issue.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns ... others-rate/#.UraKGrQWmMM

The second biggest problem is that people steadfastly REFUSE to honestly address these cultural issues head on. If people engaged in an honest debate and there was a consensus as what to do about the problems, I am sure you would see positive change. Examples of solutions include: (1) strong encouragement for blacks to wait until they are married before having kids, (2) strong pushes towards taking education seriously, and (3) getting black parents involved in their kids' education.

But what happens is when people make any kinds of suggestions in this realm, they are shouted down as being "racist." When blacks make these suggestions, they are criticized as "Uncle Toms" and "blaming the victim." As a result, nothing changes.


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I think that if there is a problem strictly related to "black culture" then I think you would have to consider all the factors that contribute to it. Others have mentioned slavery but one should also consider institutional racism, slanted court systems, poverty and lack of parental guidance. Of the 8 people I have helped the police catch and arrest 5 were Hispanic, 2 were white and 1 was black.

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Please please Please, Acting Prosecutor Carolyn Murray, do your best to get these guys to flip on the buyer. 3 RRs in 3 days? Somebody is putting the orders out on the street. That (or those) individual(s) should be the target.


Which begs the question - do the police and courts have enough power and resolve to tackle this issue? Seems one suspect, Karif Akim Ford, was involved in a stolen car chase last year...

http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf ... est_suspected_car_th.html


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If you went back 100 years blacks would still probably be counted as the largest number in prisons. Of course whitey was still scared to death of the black man and thus blacks were incarcerated for offenses that most whites would've got a pass on.


Ok, so at least you admit you were incorrect trying to say that at one point, Italians had committed the majority of the crimes.

It's not about poverty because as I pointed out, West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the country yet also has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

What it's about is culture. Specifically African American culture. It is a problem. And yes, it is an actual thing.

It's not about race because as many people don't know, there is a large rift between Africans and African Americans. Specifically, Africans look down on African Americans. They seem them as lazy, unwilling to educate themselves, squandering their opportunities, and willing to blame the white man about everything.

Is it "racist" when it is Africans who hold these beliefs?

Everything I just said can be verified through Google searches but here are some examples:

http://www.library.yale.edu/~fboateng/akata.htm

http://thegrio.com/2009/07/10/african ... re-ignorant-about-africa/



West Virginia?! Worst example ever. 1.8 Million people.

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If you went back 100 years blacks would still probably be counted as the largest number in prisons. Of course whitey was still scared to death of the black man and thus blacks were incarcerated for offenses that most whites would've got a pass on.


Ok, so at least you admit you were incorrect trying to say that at one point, Italians had committed the majority of the crimes.

It's not about poverty because as I pointed out, West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the country yet also has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

What it's about is culture. Specifically African American culture. It is a problem. And yes, it is an actual thing.

It's not about race because as many people don't know, there is a large rift between Africans and African Americans. Specifically, Africans look down on African Americans. They seem them as lazy, unwilling to educate themselves, squandering their opportunities, and willing to blame the white man about everything.

Is it "racist" when it is Africans who hold these beliefs?

Everything I just said can be verified through Google searches but here are some examples:

http://www.library.yale.edu/~fboateng/akata.htm

http://thegrio.com/2009/07/10/african ... re-ignorant-about-africa/

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If you went back 100 years blacks would still probably be counted as the largest number in prisons. Of course whitey was still scared to death of the black man and thus blacks were incarcerated for offenses that most whites would've got a pass on.

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Why is it everytime blacks are revealed as the killers who killed an innocent white victim to rob or whatnot, some schmuck as to dig up non black criminals of 100 yr ago????!

Reality: who does the MOST crime in the tri-state area?

Seriously people, I'm really sick of this political correctness!

No wonder, the Indians from India are taking over our high pay jobs and living in luxury high rise in downtown JC!

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So nyrgravey9, the guy who started out with a dog-crap crusade one could support, has grown gradually bolder, exposing his gun-nut mindset, and culminating today in this unfiltered racism of breathtaking ignorance.


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This is a nice sentiment people want to believe but it isn't true. West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the country. It also has one of the lowest crime rates.

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You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

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Shocking, however if I was a 'hood' I'd be at places like Short Hills and 'floating / scoping' around expensive stores to see what people were buying, then make a grab at the car park too.

I'd assume the cops would be looking at all the CCTV footage at the mall and individual stores this couple shopped at.
Christmas will never be the same for the wife and extended families associated with the victim.

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You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

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I actually like that this was posted, and is like to see those stats too. What I do know is, during those quoted 100 years, I don't Italians were ever given: affirmative action preference, special interest groups with the clout of, say, NAACP, etc, their own category on college applications to make sure they had enough Italians in any given school, amnesty for illegal Italian immigrants, dream act status, blah blah blah and yet Italians in America seem to be doing pretty well for the most part no?


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Italian Americans were the majority criminals 100 years ago? Care to share you stats on this?


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This would be the face of crime about 100 years ago. It's all about money/social status. I'm still nervous around Italians. Resized Image

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Gee, I'm NOT surprised!

This is why i resorted to buying online. IF you I do go out and shop I resorted to small boutiques in NYC!

Malls is just not the safest way during the holidays anymore. that's the sad truth!


I'd imagine the Mall at Short Hills would probably be about the safest place to shop in the USA now.

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Gee, I'm NOT surprised!

This is why i resorted to buying online. IF you I do go out and shop I resorted to small boutiques in NYC!

Malls is just not the safest way during the holidays anymore. that's the sad truth!

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Please please Please, Acting Prosecutor Carolyn Murray, do your best to get these guys to flip on the buyer. 3 RRs in 3 days? Somebody is putting the orders out on the street. That (or those) individual(s) should be the target.

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There have been arrests:

http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/four-arr ... eadly-nj-mall-carjacking/


Four men were arrested and charged with murder in the terrifying carjacking of a young New Jersey man in a mall parking lot, authorities said.

Bail was set at $2 million for Karif Ford, 31, Basim Henry, 32, and Kevin Roberts, 33, all of Newark, and Hanif Thompson, 29, of Irvington, in the point-blank shooting of Dustin Friedland, 30, as his wife looked on.


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No need to comment on the appearance of the murderers, as we aren't advanced enough as a society to handle that issue.

But everyone should note the following: "?It was the car, not the person, that appears to be the target of this crime,? said Acting Essex County Prosecutor Carolyn Murray."

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There have been arrests:

http://nypost.com/2013/12/21/four-arr ... eadly-nj-mall-carjacking/


Four men were arrested and charged with murder in the terrifying carjacking of a young New Jersey man in a mall parking lot, authorities said.

Bail was set at $2 million for Karif Ford, 31, Basim Henry, 32, and Kevin Roberts, 33, all of Newark, and Hanif Thompson, 29, of Irvington, in the point-blank shooting of Dustin Friedland, 30, as his wife looked on.


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Go with what works man. It's clear the people of this city, state, country aren't ready to have an honest discussion on race, so why take the abuse?

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So nyrgravey9 what you are stating is you will limit postings to taxes and garbage pick-ups which we can all agree on.

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The people on this board astound me, boss.

When you disagree, and take a stance that doesn't fit the trolls' narratives, you're easily dismissed as racist, etc. Which is the easiest way to try and discredit someone. And that's precisely why we can't have a debate on race in this country. White people aren't allowed to comment on it, and everyone else refuses to deal with the actual issues.

You guys can throw around all the characterizations you want, I don't care. I'm not going to recite the asinine "I have black friends blah blah blah" BS; I don't have to explain myself to a group of nobody's.

I will say, the majority of people on this board are mighty brave sitting behind a computer screen. A lot of these discussions would go much differently were they had in person, I can guarantee that.

I'm not commenting on these political posts anymore, because the ability for anyone to comprehend a complex point (save for Pebble) is nonexistent.

I'll save you all the trouble and stick to discussions on local community matters where we can actually make a difference, rather than debate these nebulous topics with no outcome. I'm only mad that I allowed myself to be goaded into these asinine pissing battles with these anonymous soldiers.

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User if you actually knew me you'd know that's the furthest thing from the truth. But you go ahead and judge that which you know nothing about, I'll take it all day.


Take it easy, boss. It?s your own fault that your posts invite such an unflattering perception of your disposition and world view, especially when you stand behind a ridiculous, coded term like ?reverse racism,? are so quick to get nasty with others, and resort to adolescent name-calling. If you?re not a racist, express yourself better if you don?t want to pass the duck test.


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User if you actually knew me you'd know that's the furthest thing from the truth. But you go ahead and judge that which you know nothing about, I'll take it all day.


Take it easy, boss. It?s your own fault that your posts invite such an unflattering perception of your disposition and world view, especially when you stand behind a ridiculous, coded term like ?reverse racism,? are so quick to get nasty with others, and resort to adolescent name-calling. If you?re not a racist, express yourself better if you don?t want to pass the duck test.


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