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Reports are correct in that knockouts haven't happened IN jersey city, yet. However many of the kids caught doing it in surrounding cities have been FROM jersey city. So it's feasible to think it could happen here.

It's not wrong to be prepared and protect yourself from these "should have been stains on the mattress" kids.

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This sh-----tty game is very disturbing and spreading.
Why are they saying it could be a myth?

And sorry to say but it's black kids who are doing the Knockout Game. All videos showed are black kids doing it. Obviously it started amongst that community.

After this it might be copycaters.

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When I was going to college in Philly, we had a saying "Stay clear of SWANs". SWANs referred to these groups of Slow Walking Angry... you get the rest.

The saying holds merit.


Wow. That's interesting to know!

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NYTimes...

Police Unsure if Random Attacks Are Rising Threat or Urban Myth
?Knockout Game? a Spreading Menace or a Myth (click link)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyr ... ing-menace-or-a-myth.html



Hmmm...

Bob McHugh, a police spokesman in
Jersey City, said there had not been a
single reported knockout incident
there.

?If there ever was an urban myth,
this was it,? he said. Still community
concerns spurred by the video
prompted a member of the City
Council there, Candice Osborne, to
post on her Facebook page, ?there
have been NO reported instances of
this type of assault.?


No sucker punch assaults? Or is this just a case that the perps haven't been caught and fessed up to it?

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NYTimes...

Police Unsure if Random Attacks Are Rising Threat or Urban Myth
?Knockout Game? a Spreading Menace or a Myth (click link)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyr ... ing-menace-or-a-myth.html



Hmmm...

Bob McHugh, a police spokesman in
Jersey City, said there had not been a
single reported knockout incident
there.

?If there ever was an urban myth,
this was it,? he said. Still community
concerns spurred by the video
prompted a member of the City
Council there, Candice Osborne, to
post on her Facebook page, ?there
have been NO reported instances of
this type of assault.?

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Police Unsure if Random Attacks Are Rising Threat or Urban Myth
?Knockout Game? a Spreading Menace or a Myth (click link)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyr ... ing-menace-or-a-myth.html



Here is today's follow up: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/nyr ... k-on-a-jewish-man.html?hp

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NYTimes...

Police Unsure if Random Attacks Are Rising Threat or Urban Myth
?Knockout Game? a Spreading Menace or a Myth (click link)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/nyr ... ing-menace-or-a-myth.html


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Where is Sharpton?

He should be condemning the black-on-white violence.



Here's the 21st Century version of Sharpton condemning the knockout game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_FYV ... &feature=youtu.be&t=4m36s

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Where is Sharpton?

He should be condemning the black-on-white violence.


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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/ ... nockout-game-a-hate-crime


Brooklyn attack arrest: Is
'knockout game' a hate
crime?

Growing reports of the 'knockout game' are
forcing police to take a closer look at racial
motivations while also being careful to not
spark copycat attacks.

By Patrik Jonsson
The Christian Science Monitor
November 23, 2013

Hate crime charges against a black Brooklyn
man for assaulting a white man could raise the
stakes over what to do about the so-called
?knockout game,? where primarily young black
men surprise white victims with a rain of
punches ? sometimes for a $5 bet.

Police have been receiving reports that indicate
a wave of ?knockout game? incidents primarily
in the Northeast, and some police are now
beginning to draw connections between
individual reports. ?I think it?s very real,? Sgt.
Tom Connellan told the New York Times. ?As
opposed to a motive for assault, be it anger or
robbery, this is strictly for a game.?

The apparent object of the game is to pick an
unsuspecting victim and knock them out with a
punch. The perpetrators are often described as
ethically challenged teenagers, but the potential
racial element has begun to be noticed more
broadly by community leaders in places like
Brooklyn.

Quoted by a local TV news station, Brooklyn
Rabbi Yaacov Behrmann said that he believes
the assaults are part of ?a disturbing game by
some African-American teens.?

Some experts insist the game is a ?myth? that
attempts to correlate unrelated attacks into a
pattern with racial overtones. Parents of teens
have referred to the attacks as ?pranks? that
spiral out of control. Police have also been
reluctant to make too big of a deal about the
attacks, concerned about creating the
atmosphere for copy cat crimes.

But others contend there?s a buzz among youth
about the game, and troubling instances seem
to be cropping up with more regularity,
according to some police sources. Police, too,
have begun to respond in a more organized
way, with some jurisdictions beefing up patrols
and increasingly exploring hate crime charges.

Earlier this month, three Hoboken teenagers
were charged with murder for killing a
homeless man during an apparent
?knockout game? attack. Police officials in
Syracuse said the city had seen two such
attacks this year, both of which were fatal.
New York police this week reported seven
instances of the ?knockout game? in recent
weeks.

Some media organizations have compiled
dozens of examples of the game in recent
years, and a St. Louis judge recently
suggested that one man had attacked
unsuspecting pedestrians 300 times.

?We?re trying to determine whether or not
this is a real phenomenon,? New York City
Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said
on Friday. ?I mean, yes, something like this
can happen. But we would like to have
people come forward and give us any
information they have.?

Given the extent to which such racialized
attacks fit into broader societal stereotypes
about young black men, police are treading
carefully.

Moreover, fears of black mob violence
against whites dovetails into broader
political sentiments simmering in the US,
where concerns are rising in some quarters
about officials and media turning a blind eye
to such attacks in order to not stir up racial
trouble.

Moreover, the killing of Trayvon Martin and
the acquittal of his shooter, George
Zimmerman, resulted in a drawn-out debate
over racial stereotypes, especially those
involving young black men.

?There?s an element to who wants to see
this through the lens of race,? Jeffrey Butts,
a criminologist at John Jay College of
Criminal Justice in Manhattan, told the New
York Times. He added that the appearance
of black knockout game players triggers
?racial alarms.?

Nevertheless, the new hate crime charges in
the Brooklyn attack may be a turning point
for police and prosecutors.

In the Brooklyn case, a 24-year-old Jewish
man told police he overheard a group of
black men talking about the knockout game
before he was attacked. Police subsequently
charged a man named Marajh Amrit with
two counts of a hate crime and third degree
assault. Police had first said the attackers
were part of an inebriated birthday festivity.

Given that several of the victims in the New
York attacks have been Jewish, the city?s
Hate Crime Task Force is looking at filing
more hate crime charges ? if they can bring
the perpetrators to justice.



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Thanks for this, great post. I'm counting down to the moment when I can actually exercise my constitutional right to carry.

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Such a f*cking joke the gun laws in this country.


The vast majority of the states are "Shall Issue" or don't require permits. A number of states are also Stand Your Ground (PA being a recent addition). NJ is an outlier.

There is hope. Illinois was ordered by the courts to pass a CCW bill, as their ban was ruled to be unconstitutional. Hopefully NJ laws (which effectively bans the ownership and transport of firearms with certain exceptions) will receive a similar ruling at some point.

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Remind me again why I shouldn't be allowed to carry and conceal?

Such a f*cking joke the gun laws in this country.


The vast majority of the states are "Shall Issue" or don't require permits. A number of states are also Stand Your Ground (PA being a recent addition). NJ is an outlier.

There is hope. Illinois was ordered by the courts to pass a CCW bill, as their ban was ruled to be unconstitutional. Hopefully NJ laws (which effectively bans the ownership and transport of firearms with certain exceptions) will receive a similar ruling at some point.

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Its time for them to earn their 18th birthdays.

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These people are sick bastards!! I had a guy come into the ER after being attacked walking to his car. I don't even want my son out riding his bike. I told him to keep his eyes open to everything around him. They are attacking all ages and don't give a shit because their not the ones getting hurt. KARMAS A BITCH and they'll get theirs one day.

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Remind me again why I shouldn't be allowed to carry and conceal?

Such a f*cking joke the gun laws in this country.

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The 'knock out' game ends when the intended victims play their own game called 'shot dead'.

Attacks like 'knock out' (aka Polar Bear Hunting, Beat Whitey Night) have been going on for years. One of the most outrageous examples was the Wisconsin State Fair a couple years back:


race war wisconsin
According to witnesses, a group of anywhere from 30 to 100 young black men descended on the Wisconsin State Fair last night, beating fairgoers and looting carnival games, in what witnesses said were racially-motivated attacks, Milwaukee's WTMJ reports.

One witness named Eric, an Iraq veteran, said the attacks reminded him of war:

"I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn't do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody's windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it."

Another witness, Norb Roberts, corroborated that: "We were just like cattle being herded out of the park, and they were picking and choosing who they wanted to beat on," he said.

Officials have not yet given an estimate of how many attackers were involved or how many fairgoers were injured.

Police and fair security officials were present at the time of the attacks, but not in sufficient numbers to stop the mob. Also, the Wisconsin State Fair Park Police only have jurisdiction within the fairgrounds, complicating efforts to bring the situation under control.

Eric, the war veteran, recounted this brutal attack on one white teenager:

"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."

"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage."


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I like where your head is at. Unfortunately none of us on here would ever do any of this. We all suffer from that whole civilized upbringing thing.

It sure is fun to fantasize though.

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How's about we turn it around? Every once in awhile one of us should coldcock a high school kid.


That's a pretty sick fantasy. You might want to look into that.

I think the poster was refering to the Bernhard Goetz theory...An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

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I like where your head is at. Unfortunately none of us on here would ever do any of this. We all suffer from that whole civilized upbringing thing.

It sure is fun to fantasize though.

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How's about we turn it around? Every once in awhile one of us should coldcock a high school kid.


That's a pretty sick fantasy. You might want to look into that.

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Jackass.

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Agree JCman, but the Bill De Blasio types would call you racist for doing that.
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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.


Bill de Blasio? Why'd you have to bring up that wigger? Puke.

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I like where your head is at. Unfortunately none of us on here would ever do any of this. We all suffer from that whole civilized upbringing thing.

It sure is fun to fantasize though.

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How's about we turn it around? Every once in awhile one of us should coldcock a high school kid.


Ok when they mass jaywalk in the middle of the street against the light just hit them? It'd be very darwinian(someone correct me) if the court found the driver not liable because they blatantly were not in the cross walk and crossed against the light.


Not a bad plan. There's an article in today's Times about how cars can kill pedestrians and cyclists with impunity if you simply stay at the scene and say you didn't mean to.

But it might not work after the 3rd or 4th time.

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Sudden movements... like them crossing the streets with you! You just need to constantly aware of who is in your immediate space.... can't believe people I see on the subways / eyes shut with headphones on?


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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.



2. No one is cornered, they get sucker punched. Its hard to predict that.


Not hard. These SWANs are very young, and always more than one (the game requires more than one). Therefore it is easy to spot them and be on guard.

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Ok when they mass jaywalk in the middle of the street against the light just hit them? It'd be very darwinian(someone correct me) if the court found the driver not liable because they blatantly were not in the cross walk and crossed against the light.

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I like where your head is at. Unfortunately none of us on here would ever do any of this. We all suffer from that whole civilized upbringing thing.

It sure is fun to fantasize though.

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How's about we turn it around? Every once in awhile one of us should coldcock a high school kid.

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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.


1. People feel safe in public now. Maybe its the whole I'm in my own world with these on so no one can hurt me.

2. No one is cornered, they get sucker punched. Its hard to predict that.

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Sudden movements... like them crossing the streets with you! You just need to constantly aware of who is in your immediate space.... can't believe people I see on the subways / eyes shut with headphones on?


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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.

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Agree JCman, but the Bill De Blasio types would call you racist for doing that.
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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.


Bill de Blasio? Why'd you have to bring up that wigger? Puke.

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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.


I guess what I was trying to convey is, one day they'll run into another Bernhard Goetz if they're not careful. There are just so many people that will put up with this type of behavior, and some people's tolerance for this type of stuff is lower than others.

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Agree JCman, but the Bill De Blasio types would call you racist for doing that. That's profiling isn't it? I dunno, I for one call that "common sense", something most people seem to lack these days.

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They should be afraid of the very people they have caused to live in fear, because when cornered and mistreated, even a gentle dog will come out fighting.


Not if you treat them like normal people, like the teacher in the video. These animals won't give you a chance to react.

It's a shame to say it but the only solution is to carefully size up these groups of people when you pass them on the street (or go to the other side of the street) and be on your guard for sudden movements.

Posted on: 2013/11/9 19:38
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