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Ian, I believe the old Barrow Street Bar only had one large-ish TV, and one very small TV. It never really seemed like a sports bar, to me, although I have watched games there.

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Interesting that they are eliminating the kitchen area, although the bathrooms presumably will continue to be in between the backroom and the front area. I think if they had reasonably priced beers and eliminated some of the televisions, that could be a pretty good neighborhood bar and probably would attract fewer problem customers.

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I spoke to one of the construction guys on Saturday, and he confirmed that the kitchen area, which was in the middle, will be eliminated, creating a longer bar. He also indicated that the whole place is being entirely remodeled.

I hope the general look and feel (classic, bar look) is somewhat preserved. I'd just hate to see it turn into some swanky loungey type of place.

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You guys must be Healys.

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I'm not even gonna get drunk I'm just going to scream my lungs off every time I walk through that intersection


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I'm not even gonna get drunk I'm just going to scream my lungs off every time I walk through that intersection

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I cant wait to get drunk and scream bloody murder at 2am.

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(Please let it have a good burger and tasty beers, please let it have a good burgers and tasty beers...)

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One bar vs. several residences? The bar owner should make an extra effort to keep his patrons quiet and behaved. If they cannot or won't they should be punished.

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If you build your house between the runways at Newark Airport, you cannot credibly complain about airplane noise. So I understand when people say "there always was a bar there."

Still, even bars have to be good neighbors, especially when they are grandfathered into residential neighborhoods. I have never had a problem with Barrow Street Bar or any of its previous incarnations (except while drug dealing was going on at JC Winston's), but then again, I don't live right on the block.

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hate the bros not the bars

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I've lived in JC since 1987 and JC Winston's was there before that time.

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I am not against bars (I spent plenty of time in them back in the glory days of JC) but for those interested ?..


Like the OP said look in the JJ for the legal notices about the property. I am one of the fools who actually read those tiny notices in the classified section. I haven?t seen one for that address yet. It will say something like ?MOJO BAR is requesting a license renewal at 130 West Side Ave if you want to protest it send a letter to so and so within two weeks?.

I think there was one in the JJ this week or last. Not for that property but I will post the address etc.

PS ? you guys should read those HC and JC legal notices. The best ones are the back dated ones from HC that say a no bid contract for $500K was awarded to so and so for the period of May , 2009 to Dec 2009 Hmmmmmm!

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I'm confused by people who complain about that bar. First of all, yes it is a residential area, but in a city, bars/restaurants often exist in close proximity to housing. Secondly - A BAR ALWAYS EXISTED ON THAT CORNER. How long was JC Winston's there for? Does anybody know for how long that spot has been a bar? If you move in to the neighborhood when that spot is already a bar, you have to be absolutely out of your mind to complain about it. Did you think it was a bar that serves rosehip tea and crumpets?

I live one block away from the bar. One block. And I am NEVER disturbed by the noise. I honestly really don't hear any noise. Sometimes I'll hear a few people walking past my house (seemingly drunk), but they can also be coming from any other bar, or from the PATH station. I find the following noises much, much more disturbing to my evenings and early mornings: ambulance sirens, fire truck sirens, police sirens, crossing guard whistling, dogs howling in the VVP dog run, and the zapping noises that the Parking Authority scooters make at 8 am. But you know what? I shrug it off as part of city life, which is what anybody complaining about bar noise should probably also do.

My guess is that the only people that are really disturbed by the noises coming from Barrow Street Bar are the people that live within a 3 or 4 house radius of the bar.

And to be honest, a ton of people I've spoken to in the neighborhood hope that the spot becomes a bar again.

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So is there actually a close at 2am, raise hell and get drunk bar going there or a restaurant that closes at 10pm that just happens to serve booze going there? I am confused. Does anyone know exactly what is intent on going there presently?

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Like Corybraiterman, I think bars sprinkled throughout urban neighborhoods add charm. It's not as if every corner in JC has a bar - it is not even CLOSE to that. I don't understand the grouchiness on this site - do you really think East Village residents complain about bars nestled in their neighborhood?



Wow. So having bars like Indio's and the Latin Lounge in my neighborhood is charming. Somehow that never occurred to me before.


were those bars there already when you moved to that neighborhood or were you there first?


"Of course they were there but I'm entitled to move in next door and complain after the fact because I live there NOW."


Well said ianmac47!

I can?t believe that this is happening again. It?s been so nice and quiet on that corner, the nicest three months since I remember.

Does anyone know how to legally stop those people from opening another loud bar before it?s too late? What about contacting our councilman or hiring a lawyer? Does anyone know who owns that property?
It?s a great street without a bar. The desperate ex-bar owner mentioned that he was pulling his license. I noticed that the Barrow Bar was padlocked. Maybe there is a way to file a complaint and stop the property owner from renting the space to another bar owner. 90% of the residents I spoke to are happy that Barrow Bar was gone.
By the way, that place was out of control. Disrespectful people were not only drunk and loud but they were pissing all over the neighborhood. It?s a residential area. There is no place for another rowdy bar! Why don?t you open a nice small restaurant, bookstore, sandwich place or something quiet for pit?s sake? This place has a potential and does not have to sell alcohol to already drunk people!

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Great.. I look forward to it. I always thought it was stupid to have the kitchen in the middle of the bar.

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YES! Another bar!
More bars, more places.

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Not sure if they are, but I saw a bunch of cabinets and some wall stuff being trashed. I think they might be moving the kitchen from the middle of the bar.

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Construction has started at Barrow Street Bar. Word is that it will indeed be a bar. I hope they don't demolish the old woodwork and decor in the bar area!

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were those bars there already when you moved to that neighborhood or were you there first?


Relax Spidey, I don't complain about the bars in my hood, I was just sayin those are two I would never call charming.

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Like Corybraiterman, I think bars sprinkled throughout urban neighborhoods add charm. It's not as if every corner in JC has a bar - it is not even CLOSE to that. I don't understand the grouchiness on this site - do you really think East Village residents complain about bars nestled in their neighborhood?



Wow. So having bars like Indio's and the Latin Lounge in my neighborhood is charming. Somehow that never occurred to me before.


were those bars there already when you moved to that neighborhood or were you there first?


"Of course they were there but I'm entitled to move in next door and complain after the fact because I live there NOW."

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Like Corybraiterman, I think bars sprinkled throughout urban neighborhoods add charm. It's not as if every corner in JC has a bar - it is not even CLOSE to that. I don't understand the grouchiness on this site - do you really think East Village residents complain about bars nestled in their neighborhood?



Wow. So having bars like Indio's and the Latin Lounge in my neighborhood is charming. Somehow that never occurred to me before.


were those bars there already when you moved to that neighborhood or were you there first?

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In Hoboken there are hundreds of fines being handed out and tons of people being arrested and just as many being treated in hospitals today because drunk people are so cooperative, quiet and reasonable.

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I wish that I understood why the standard response to anyone who expresses an opinion about improving local quality of life is "if you don't like it, move to the suburbs." I don't equate a bar in a residential neighborhood with the definition of a city.


Because it's true. Did you think you were moving to Mayberry? Oh wait, you would have hated Otis.

It pisses me off that Benny's, the only bar in my neighborhood, closed down.

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After all, who here really has any problem with places like Lucky 7s, White Star, Hamilton Inn or the dive bars on places like Coles & 6th, 1st and Erie, etc.


Do you, or have you ever lived within 100 feet of a bar?


Yes, I have in fact. Where Chris closed Barrow St Bar used to be JC Winston's. I lived directly across the street from the side opposite their garden on corner, 290 Baarrow. Even when Richard Price hung out with biker cops while he wrote "Clockers" after hours and it was noisy, it was fine.

I lived next door to Acme on Great Jones St in NYC as well with no problem. I think urbanites of NYC are used to bars in residential neighborhoods is the difference.

Caveat Emptor.

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Like Corybraiterman, I think bars sprinkled throughout urban neighborhoods add charm. It's not as if every corner in JC has a bar - it is not even CLOSE to that. I don't understand the grouchiness on this site - do you really think East Village residents complain about bars nestled in their neighborhood?



Wow. So having bars like Indio's and the Latin Lounge in my neighborhood is charming. Somehow that never occurred to me before.

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Like Corybraiterman, I think bars sprinkled throughout urban neighborhoods add charm. It's not as if every corner in JC has a bar - it is not even CLOSE to that. I don't understand the grouchiness on this site - do you really think East Village residents complain about bars nestled in their neighborhood?


Actually, they do. As do people in the west village as well. It is a constant battle between night life promoters of all kinds vs community boards. It so happens that the community board in the christopher st. area is one of the strongest in all of the city and is constantly biting back at the bars/restaurants/clubs in the 'hood. JC lister BrightMoment can probably tell you more about it than I can, I recall him saying he worked with them a few times on some issues.

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can someone describe to me the exact ordinances in place for Newark Ave/Grove St ?

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Skinners, LITM, and Sawadee Thai all have liquor licenses. But they are also restaurants.

Initially, restaurant row restricted alcohol sales after 11, but was later changed to 2am (3am on Friday and Saturday) to fall in line with other bars. However, they are all required to serve food, and I believe a certain percentage of sales must also be food.




I always considered LITM more of a bar with food than a restaurant. Not many restaurants have DJs playing hip-hop, it's kind of a gray area.

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