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Quote: 3) So does most likely all of downtown JC Quote: 4) It hasn't decayed much in almost 100 years, and it probably won't in another 100 Quote: 5) The blight on the area is caused by other factors. There are hundreds of threads on this list about those issues. The embankment is not one of them. Quote: 7) Any public park requires money to maintain. There is money in the city budget for parks. Quote: 8) The only motive is to preserve the embankment and turn it into a park Quote: 9) The park renovation budget would be relatively small part of the city's expenditures Quote: 10) There are plenty of elevated public spaces (have you heard of the High Line in New York?)
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I believe that the embankment should be demolished and hope you agree. In its place, I believe affordable (middle-class) housing should be built. This housing, built to the style of the surrounding brownstone neighborhood, would do so much more for the community and help stabilize declining property values. A derelict eyesore does nothing to help home values and its time has come. The embankment needs to go. Stabilize declining property value... yes, by adding more property to neighborhood that has a surplus we are going to prop up home values..... and my property value is going to go up because there is more of the same across from me.... and not a green space. Solid economic analysis. It added real credibility to your note.
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1) Irrelevant 2) The JC Historic Preservation Comission disagrees 3) So does most likely all of downtown JC 4) It hasn't decayed much in almost 100 years, and it probably won't in another 100 5) The blight on the area is caused by other factors. There are hundreds of threads on this list about those issues. The embankment is not one of them. 6) It may not be well lit now, but it can be better lit without having to demolishing it. Also, if you look at local crime statistics, they don't support this argument: muggings happen all over and are not concentrated around the embankment 7) Any public park requires money to maintain. There is money in the city budget for parks. 8) The only motive is to preserve the embankment and turn it into a park 9) The park renovation budget would be relatively small part of the city's expenditures 10) There are plenty of elevated public spaces (have you heard of the High Line in New York?) 11) There's plenty of trash in front of some houses in the area as well. Should we demolish those? 12) That's a new one. I'll ask about this at the next Captain's meeting.
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Funny part is I'm a bleeding heart liberal - almost socialist on most political scales - and a 20-year renter in the neighborhood... and I agree with fgjc almost completely.
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FGJCNJ1970 wrote: The party party.
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Hi Vigilante...
Thanks for agreeing with me for points 1-7. With regards to the L-word.... just say it... Liberal. Actually, I am a Blue Dog Democrat. Liberally social, fiscally conservative. If you want it you have to figure out how to pay for it and frankly, I am being taxed to death while our jobs are being sent overseas. (sorry for the rant). Did you read any of the posted comments that were posted? It's totally NIMBY. OH MY GOD... not in my back yard. Damn my life might be inconvenienced... heaven forbid. I might loose my parking... I might have new neighbors in the back who might see me... loosing my privacy. Get a grip. I would love to know how many of these folks are real tax paying PROPERTY OWNERS... or just transient RENTERS. I'm an tax paying owner in Harsimus Cove and I say the Embankment has to go. Renter's can easily move. And if they do take it down, I am sure they will use duct tape and the left over plastic sheeting (go to ready.gov) to cover all windows of those on 5th and 6th street dwellings who are freaking out over any sort of change. Anyways. Just a different point of view for consideration. FG P.S. please read the other points after the L-word.
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You were doing fine till you broke out the L word. In this case I say Lame.
Posted on: 2009/4/6 19:25
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Just posted my comments on-line with the Surface Transportation Board after I was handed a flyer this weekend. Here is what I posted and I thought I would share.
Hello. I am a resident of downtown Jersey City, NJ in the Harsimus Cove neighborhood. I believe that the abandoned Harsimus Cove Embankment should be demolished. There are many reasons why this demolition should take place. 1) The embankment is no longer in use by any sort of railroad. 2) The sections of the embankment that are left have absolutely no historical value 3) Most certainly the embankment contains harmful toxic byproducts from its years of use as a railroad tressel 4) The embankment is a major safety issue in that it suffers from decay and portions of either stone or masonry have fallen off the tops of the structures. 5) The embankment is a blight on the downtown community, encouraging urban vandalism and graffiti 6) At night, the embankment is poorly lit, or not lit at all, and creates an UNSAFE environment for criminals to mug and rob citizens. 7) Pro embankment liberals have concocted an unfeasable plan to establish an elevated "park" without any financial plans for real viability. Meanwhile existing real parks such as Hamilton park just TWO blocks away desperately need major restoration. 8) Pro embankment persons are against change for the common good and have ulterior motives (like not loosing parking space access behind the embankment) 9) Even if a park could be funded and built, it would require significant investment and would increase already extremely high local property taxes 10) The embankment proposal has huge insurance implications. Unlike a traditional ground park, this is an elevated train tressel and because of the height, the insurance costs to the city would be enormously expensive. Also, very expensive safety measures would have to be incorporated to prevent someone from falling off. 11) The ground area abutting the embankment frequently becomes a dumping area for trash, rubbish, discarded shopping carts, etc. 12) certain portions of the embankment are listed on the internet as cruising grounds for inappropriate activity ranging from drug dealing to sexual misconduct - again presenting a danger to the community. I believe that the embankment should be demolished and hope you agree. In its place, I believe affordable (middle-class) housing should be built. This housing, built to the style of the surrounding brownstone neighborhood, would do so much more for the community and help stabilize declining property values. A derelict eyesore does nothing to help home values and its time has come. The embankment needs to go. Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Thanks ----- Unfortunately not everyone is FOR this. How about we fix Hamilton park and get a real dog run in there first. Similar to what was done in Van Vorst park. Feel free to flame away, but this is my point of view and I bet there are many who share it. FG
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Here's What Others Are Saying...
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TOMORROW Before 4PM!! Tuesday, April 7th
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Parks are great. Parks that cost money that could be better spent elsewhere are not. Again, assuming the plan you want is to make it a 6-block long elevated park, you need to rebuild 5 bridges and maintain them, build fencing and maintain it and build multiple access ramps and maintain them. The park is barely wide enough (or not wide enough at all) for many standard things one puts in parks, such as a tennis court, basketball court, etc. So you have a 6-block long walking path that costs millions to build and maintain.
Prefer practicality to pie in the sky, myself.
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NO, most people don't want another construction site up in their neighborhood, most people aren't money hungry, shady developers, most people like the idea of working together to make a beautiful park with an awesome view of the city, which will create green space and add something truly unique to their city. Most people are tired of ugly, utterly boring developments that contribute nothing, absolutely nothing unique to our community.
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Or get rid of it, should you feel that way.
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Please do this everyone. It only takes a couple of minutes and your comment could help save the Embankment.
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Thanks in advance for filing the comments to the STB
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We've got an update here.
Posted on: 2009/4/2 12:03
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can someone update those of us who couldn't make it about the meeting last night?
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Embankment Demolition Hearing
TONIGHT, Apr 1, 6:30 @ City Hall!
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No comment. Just glad to help save the embankment ;)
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Thanks for the link - I've sent comments and will ask others to do so as well.
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Thanks for the link...DONE!
You will receive an "Acknowledgment of environmental comment" email after you complete it.
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Done and done, thanks for the link. Hopefully everyone will take a few seconds and sign up.
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SEA Issues Inadequate Report; Ask STB for Environmental Impact Statement
Help Us Get 1000 Comments to STB by April 7
The Section on Environmental Analysis (SEA) of the Surface Transportation Board just issued its preliminary Environmental Assessment (EA). It unfortunately accepts Conrail\'s version of Embankment environmental status hook, line, and sinker, despite evidence we previously submitted. It rejects the calls of the State Historic Preservation Office and many organizations for a full Environmental Impact Statement that will look at the wide spectrum of issues raised by abandonment. The public has until April 7 to convince SEA that its assessment is off-base and that a full Environmental Impact Statement is needed.
File Comments Now; and No Later Than April 7
Here\'s how:
1. Go to www.stb.dot.gov
2. Choose E-FILING from the menu at top.
3. On the web page that comes up, in the column at right, click on Environmental Comments.
4. A form will appear. In the four boxes for Docket No., enter the following: AB 167 1189 X
5. Then enter your contact information and comment and Submit.
Guidelines for comments are on our web site. Don\'t let the complexity of the issues stop you from filing a comment. If you are not steeped in the details, simply write something like:
\"Please authorize a full Environmental Impact Statement. It is wrong to allow Conrail to abandon the right of way when demolition and development plans will have severe adverse effects on our environment. I want a full and impartial study of direct and indirect effects of abandonment on our neighborhoods and families.\"
Please Tell Friends and Neighbors to Send Comments
Public input is extremely important at this stage. The STB is a federal regulatory agency that has a duty to enforce federal laws that protect the public interest. We have only until April 7 to urge the agency to do its job.
Alternative to Filing on the Web
If you are attending the HPC hearing April 1 (and we hope you are), Coalition members can give you forms on which you can enter your comments. We will then scan them into pdf files and submit them to the STB for you.
The Coalition has requested that public comment be carried over to a third hearing, so that the public has time to consider the presentations, and public comment will not be cut short. We cannot guarantee that this request will be granted, so if you plan to testify, come prepared. See our
guidelines.
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Skipping the mild racism and 'silent majority' nonsense to highlight the good parts. These are the only relevant points here, however they are all good ones. Quote: I grew up in a rural area next to active freight rail tracks. Kids used to hang out on them all the time(well, not when the trains were on them) They were no more toxic than the surrounding areas, and probably hadn't been cleaned or renovated for more than 50 years. Yes, these tracks, however, are probably very different. The warehouses and places they ferried stuff to and from had numerous health hazards. I remember when the entire area of Newport and Shoprite plaza were sand dunes. Sand dunes in this urban area? Where'd that come from, you ask? Sand was dumped on top of the the normal ground when the old buildings were torn down to absorb and cover the toxic chemicals left over from years of manufacturing and dumping. Quote: Quote: This might be the dumbest piece of sarcasm I've seen in a long while, as those are both valid points. Fences cost money to install and maintain. You need insurance in case of liability should a piece break and not get fixed in time to prevent an accident or some other stupidity. This is one of the many reasons why they tore down the bridges that connected the embankment pieces in the first place.
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I was at the Historical Commission's Monday night Embankment hearing. Steve Hyman was sitting in the second row. About 1.5 hours into the hearing (snore), Hyman turns around and sees Fulop at the rear of the Chamber. He jumps up, runs back and gives Fulop a big handshake. They then go out into the Rotunda for a little chit chat. Huh?
If those two have a little Steve & Steve action going on you would think they might be a little more discrete about it. I read another post on this list saying that they have a "special" relationship. I wonder what's up with that? I thought Hyman was the Bad Guy and Fulop was the Good Guy. Can it be that they are playing on the same team?
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It's true, they are not luxury, they don't have pools or doormen but they are very nice and they are still working on eliminating the rest of the couch party animals, there are just a couple left. The voodoo doll stuck to the tree will come down this spring as soon as I get my Karma in order.
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"Between Erie and Manila... you still have cha cha land... despite the low income being turned into "Luxury" condos."
Cha-cha land? Wow, that is really offensive.
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as this is a former rail site, the whole ground is most likely VERY very contaminated. Would you want your young son or daughter playing in toxic soil? I grew up in a rural area next to active freight rail tracks. Kids used to hang out on them all the time(well, not when the trains were on them) They were no more toxic than the surrounding areas, and probably hadn't been cleaned or renovated for more than 50 years. Quote: And the insurance costs to the city would be crazy to make an elevated park where someone could fall off. Yes. If only mankind could devise some means of preventing people from falling from high places! Then we could have elevated parks, and maybe even multi-story buildings!
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