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No way Christie appoints Fulop to anything, let alone Senator.

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Its a credible scenario eliminating Fulop as a gubernatorial candidate by appointing him Senator when Menendez sees the handwriting on the wall...This will insure Christies choice of Sweeney as Governor & getting Sweeneys nod for Christies presidential bid.

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Christie won't appoint Fulop; like the last time he'll appoint a middle of the road Republican and call for a special election-rather than appoint a Republican for the rest of Menendez's term, which is his right to do.

Fulop decides to run for Senator, agreeing that he'll stand down in exchange for Sweeney getting a clear path. He does this because he's been losing supporters like Lesniak recently, hasn't been able to control the Hudson County Democrats, and the south Jersey Dems don't seem to like him much.

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Does anyone here "Fulop for Senate"! When Bob M goes down, and he will go down. Steven is cut the deal with Sweeney and the guys in the south to run for Senate.


I'll think on this, but you've got a very good point. GED Sweeney would never fit in as a Senator, but he could pull off being a NJ Governor. Fulop might actually aspire to a Senate spot under that scenario. Is there a big enough closet in DC for Booker AND Fulop though? :)

Fulop as Senator...? I don't see Christie appointing him. A special election now? I don't see Fulop running.

I can see Sweeney making the move given all the water-carrying he's done for Christie.

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Does anyone here "Fulop for Senate"! When Bob M goes down, and he will go down. Steven is cut the deal with Sweeney and the guys in the south to run for Senate.


I'll think on this, but you've got a very good point. GED Sweeney would never fit in as a Senator, but he could pull off being a NJ Governor. Fulop might actually aspire to a Senate spot under that scenario. Is there a big enough closet in DC for Booker AND Fulop though? :)

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Does anyone here "Fulop for Senate"! When Bob M goes down, and he will go down. Steven is cut the deal with Sweeney and the guys in the south to run for Senate.

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So, after Menendez resigns and Christie appoints himself a senator, I wonder which picture you are going to choose to portray your own reaction to that.


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Add the NYTimes to the voices calling for Democrat Senator Menendez to resign.


Obviously the comment of a very impressionable person, lol.

A Democrat CLOSELY associated with who...? Wonder what its motivation for such a call could be, lol. Perhaps it is in full out damage control mode now? The least objective news source you could site given its overt, documented and well-known bias.

And oh by the way, chuckles abound at the sophomoric emphasis placed on "Democrat." As if a distinction exists between a purchased-and-paid-for Democrat and a purchased-and-paid-for Republican. They're ALL purchased-and-paid-for. How else, would a FOREIGN diplomat ever see his way into America's once most sacrosanct chamber in order to propagate a war against Iran in defiance of a sitting President and at the very same time receive no less than 25 standing ovations?



You're right. Emphasis should have been 'Hudson County' Democrat, because they're a special subset of the national party known for corruption.

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And oh by the way, chuckles abound at the sophomoric emphasis placed on "Democrat." As if a distinction exists between a purchased-and-paid-for Democrat and a purchased-and-paid-for Republican. They're ALL purchased-and-paid-for.


Well, there is a difference. Democrats defend those who holds the Party Line. Like Harry Reid - nobody questions how he became so rich on so modest government salary. Or Charlie Rangel who seemingly can do whatever he wants, like cheat on taxes while at the same time being the chairman of the very committee that writes the tax code.

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How else, would a FOREIGN diplomat ever see his way into America's once most sacrosanct chamber in order to propagate a war against Iran in defiance of a sitting President and at the very same time receive no less than 25 standing ovations?


Allow me to quote Mr. Reagan: "It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so"

First, you think that Congress is "sancrosanct" and closed to foreigners. "Isn't so". Congress is not a Temple of Xenophobia. There is no article in the Constitution that would prohibit Congress to invite a foreign person to speak. And there isn't and there never was any tradition against foreigners talking to Congress. In fact, there is a long history of various foreign politicians talking to the US Congress. Like King of Hawaii Kalakaua, French Ambassador de La Boulaye, Cuban Ambassador Guillermo Belt, Churchill, Mandela, Rabin and it's not even the first time when Netanyahu speeks there. He already did in 1996 and 2011.

Second, you believe that the Congress is somehow subservient to the President and is obliged not to "defy" him. It's also "isn't so". Congress is a separate branch of power and it does what it pleases as long it's within the power given to it by the People.

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Just admit it, you've got nothing, lol.

Can we get back to yet another NJ Senator getting indicted-the last being another Democrat, Harrison Williams. And we almost should count the Torch, who withdrew his re-election campaign when it was apparent he'd be indicted. Quite the rogues gallery!


That's just half of it. Look at all the people here who are now all aflutter with "oh, if Menendez is corrupt, good riddance!" Do you really think this was the first time they learned he may be corrupt? Yeah. Me neither. Him, or Torch, or any other guy, they all knew it from the beginning. And yet they voted for them.


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Add the NYTimes to the voices calling for Democrat Senator Menendez to resign.


Obviously the comment of a very impressionable person, lol.

A Democrat CLOSELY associated with who...? Wonder what its motivation for such a call could be, lol. Perhaps it is in full out damage control mode now? The least objective news source you could site given its overt, documented and well-known bias.

And oh by the way, chuckles abound at the sophomoric emphasis placed on "Democrat." As if a distinction exists between a purchased-and-paid-for Democrat and a purchased-and-paid-for Republican. They're ALL purchased-and-paid-for. How else, would a FOREIGN diplomat ever see his way into America's once most sacrosanct chamber in order to propagate a war against Iran in defiance of a sitting President and at the very same time receive no less than 25 standing ovations?


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Add the NYTimes to the voices calling for Democrat Senator Menendez to resign.

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Just admit it, you've got nothing, lol.

Can we get back to yet another NJ Senator getting indicted-the last being another Democrat, Harrison Williams. And we almost should count the Torch, who withdrew his re-election campaign when it was apparent he'd be indicted. Quite the rogues gallery!

Eye of the beholder as they say... just because you want to believe something, doesn’t make it true...

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N.J. Democrats who ripped Christie over George Washington Bridge give Menendez benefit of doubt

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... e_washi.html#incart_river

I’d ask why you were surprised but then I thought, he might be one of those people that believes in unicorns and some vast left wing media bias.

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(surprised nj.com/SL even printed this piece)

N.J. Democrats who ripped Christie over George Washington Bridge give Menendez benefit of doubt

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... e_washi.html#incart_river


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Just admit it, you've got nothing, lol.

Can we get back to yet another NJ Senator getting indicted-the last being another Democrat, Harrison Williams. And we almost should count the Torch, who withdrew his re-election campaign when it was apparent he'd be indicted. Quite the rogues gallery!

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Pebble, the bid process was begun in 2011, narrowed down to three finalists in 2012, and awarded in 2013-and Christie interceded on behalf of Jerry Jones to get playoff seats in 2014?

Legends is co-owned by the Dallas Cowboys (of which Jones is one of the partner mix) the NY Yankee partners, and Dave Checkett (former MSG honcho) and his group. They are based in NYC.

Specious as any claim is, the NJ Ethics board already looked into it and found everything fine and dandy. Cuomo also backed the awarding of the contract. After all, 2/3 of the owners are NYC based.

Oh, the contract was awarded months before Jones and Christie ever met!

And Christie didn't 'make calls'-he and Governor Cuomo released a freaking official press statement the day before the announcement!

http://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gover ... gends-hospitality-develop


Other than that, you're spot on!

Look at you carrying all that water! Be careful, if you don't lift with your legs your back will have problems.

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Pebble, the bid process was begun in 2011, narrowed down to three finalists in 2012, and awarded in 2013-and Christie interceded on behalf of Jerry Jones to get playoff seats in 2014?

Legends is co-owned by the Dallas Cowboys (of which Jones is one of the partner mix) the NY Yankee partners, and Dave Checkett (former MSG honcho) and his group. They are based in NYC.

Specious as any claim is, the NJ Ethics board already looked into it and found everything fine and dandy. Cuomo also backed the awarding of the contract. After all, 2/3 of the owners are NYC based.

Oh, the contract was awarded months before Jones and Christie ever met!

And Christie didn't 'make calls'-he and Governor Cuomo released a freaking official press statement the day before the announcement!

http://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gover ... gends-hospitality-develop


Other than that, you're spot on!

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Mayor Fulop, who first pooh-poohed the rumors of the indictment, continues to carry water for Senator Menendez. Just what could Menendez have on Fulop? http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... r_for_n.html#incart_river


I prefer Tom Moran's take in today's Star Ledger in which he laid out a clear and strong case as to why Menendez should resign. I think Moran has probably a more objective, less transactional take on all of this than our mayor. Part of Moran's thinking is "Innocent until proven guilty" is too low of a standard for a Senator. I agree.

So yes, Monroe - while I'm hard-pressed to think of another time I agreed with you, I do think Menendez should resign. Unlike you, I don't buy into the reflexive party nonsense that big politics would like us to ascribe to - I happen to vote Democrat more often but for me it's about the person, not the party. I think deciding who our leaders are should be taken a little more seriously than the way we follow football.

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Menendez has given up his chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sadly, the two things I like about him are his stance on Israel and Cuba, and those may have greased his skids with the Obama Justice Department.

And if Christie ever was indicted I guess some here would suggest he stand down as Gov. Will any of you suggest the same of the indicted Senator of NJ?

Go back and read my first post on this. If he’s guilty, and he seems like it, then toss him.

As an aside, how is what Menendez did any different than Christie lobbying the Port Authority so that Jerry Jones can get a catering contract in exchange for Dallas Cowboys playoff tickets?


Because it didn't happen perhaps?

Menendez or Christie's lobbying efforts? Considering that we know for a fact that he made calls pushing for the Legends deal with the PA and we have photos of Christie in the luxury box hugging Jones, I don't see how you can say it "didn't happen." Is Christie now Shaggy?

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Monroe's reaction to the indictment:

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Menendez has given up his chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sadly, the two things I like about him are his stance on Israel and Cuba, and those may have greased his skids with the Obama Justice Department.

And if Christie ever was indicted I guess some here would suggest he stand down as Gov. Will any of you suggest the same of the indicted Senator of NJ?

Go back and read my first post on this. If he’s guilty, and he seems like it, then toss him.

As an aside, how is what Menendez did any different than Christie lobbying the Port Authority so that Jerry Jones can get a catering contract in exchange for Dallas Cowboys playoff tickets?


Because it didn't happen perhaps?

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Menendez has given up his chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sadly, the two things I like about him are his stance on Israel and Cuba, and those may have greased his skids with the Obama Justice Department.

And if Christie ever was indicted I guess some here would suggest he stand down as Gov. Will any of you suggest the same of the indicted Senator of NJ?

Go back and read my first post on this. If he’s guilty, and he seems like it, then toss him.

As an aside, how is what Menendez did any different than Christie lobbying the Port Authority so that Jerry Jones can get a catering contract in exchange for Dallas Cowboys playoff tickets?

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And the Hudson County Democrats are all rallying around Menendez-because to them it's just business as usual, nothing to see here, move along.

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Pretty funny how the DB writer talking about the good old boy system in NJ mentions nicely dressed Fulop train ride story then later highlights McGreevy as Exhibit A to make the case.... yet some how does not mention McGreevy working for Fulop today?

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If you think Hillary hosting a personal server is a "scandal" why aren't you killing every other Secretary of State, before Kerry? So, like I said, "completely absurd."


Oh, yes. Every single Secretary of State did that! They all set up their own home server, then they failed to disclose that when Congress asked to review documents. And then, as soon as Congress requested to take a look at that server, naturally, all Secretaries of State immediately wiped down all the contents.

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Menendez's info wasn't "sat on for 3 years." The information came out when it came out. It has nothing to do with his absurdly poor positions on Cuba and Iran.


Yep. It's a pure coincidence.

By the way, what's your theory on why nobody in the IRS is indicted yet? Or do you actually believe that by sheer coincidence hard drives there crashed exactly on the very computers that held data requested by Congress? And by sheer coincidence they crashed in a way that made it impossible to restore the information?

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The Benghazi thing has been done to death. Are you looking for a fifth investigation into it? It's sad that this is something that is continued to be harped on. I can only assume it plays well with the the feeble-minded.


No, sorry pal. This is not how it works. If your party members hide documents from the investigation you don't get to strike a pose "hey, why do they keep investigating". if Congress requests documents from State, and State claims that they gave everything, and then we find out that State lied and Hillary actually had a whole private server that she only now "remembered" he had, you don't get to pretend you were wronged. And you claim that this is something "harped on"? Like what? Evil Republicans hypnotized Hillary and made her to wipe out her server?

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I'm hoping if he gets convicted, he goes to jail and serves time just like everyone else.

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Nothing compared to the JCList circle jerk every time the Star Ledger writes yet another silly Christie story. The one I'm waiting for is the Newark Watershed expose of Booker. I mean, he ran the board when his former business and political allies looted it for millions right under his nose.

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Menendez laid out his defense in an epically short, 8 minute press conference! And the Star Ledger is calling for his resignation.


Monroe must be having multiple orgasms over this

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Menendez laid out his defense in an epically short, 8 minute press conference! And the Star Ledger is calling for his resignation.


Monroe must be having multiple orgasms over this

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The softballs about Fulop are pretty funny, considering that talking about him being so uncomfortable on the train-he was so uncomfortable down in AC at the League of Municipality boondoggle that he kept all his meeting OFF his public record of appointments!

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THE DAILY BEAST 04.01.15

Why Jersey Politicians Are All Crooks

With his indictment, Bob Menendez joins a long list of New Jersey politicians who find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

Bob Menendez has just been indicted on 14 criminal counts including eight counts of bribery. While it’s not every day that a member of the United States Senate is hit with criminal charges, it might as well be every day that a politician from New Jersey is revealed to be corrupt. 

“There is something about this state—whether it’s in the air or in the water or whatever it is, that just makes people more accepting of corrupt practices,” Bob Ingle, co-author of The Soprano State, said. 

“I am not going anywhere,” a defiant Menendez said at a Newark press conference, the crowd studded with Menendez supporters, on Wednesday evening. “I am angry and ready to fight. Today contradicts my public service career in my entire life,” he snapped, as supporters chanted “Menendez! Menendez!” and “Viva Bob!”

But Menendez’ optimism ignores New Jerseys history.

Part of the problem may be the sheer number of public officials the Garden State employs.

New Jersey is the fourth-smallest state in terms of square mileage, yet it has 565 municipalities which each have dozens of public officials.

“There is a lot of government and there are a lot of people running that government, and it’s very difficult to keep up with all of them,” Ingle said, calling the system “bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy.” 

New Jersey’s boss-system -meaning parties are controlled by unelected, omnipotent dictators—also might be a cause of the moral bankruptcy.

The two most notable being George Norcross III in Southern Jersey (defined as everything South of Trenton), best-known for telling an enemy, “you’re going to get your fucking balls cut off,” and Joe, “Joe D,” DiVincenzo in Northern New Jersey who admitted to The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza in 2014, “Anybody who runs statewide has to come through us.”

It is impossible to rise in New Jersey politics without fostering relationships that will come back to haunt you.

Iraq and Goldman Sachs veteran Steven Fulop, the 38-year-old mayor of Jersey City knows this firsthand.

Fulop is about as unlike a New Jersey politician as a person with a New Jersey accent could possibly be. He wears tasteful suits; he competes in Iron Man competitions; he expresses normal, human ambivalence about the field he has chosen. 

I last saw Fulop in February, on a chartered train from Jersey City to D.C. populated by drunk legislators and lobbyists, engaging in the sort of eyebrow-raising back-slapping deal-making that people from other states might do in smoke-filled rooms.

Not in New Jersey.  There they do it in full view of the press because what else are we supposed to expect. 

Fulop, visibly uncomfortable, skeptically peered out the sides of his eyes as we spoke—while the intoxicated leaders of the Garden State bumped into and groped their way past us.

“I think if other legislators from other states could see [this train] they would think it’s very strange. Very strange,” he said. 

Fulop campaigned on finally ending the corruption which plagued the region of Jersey City since mayor Frank Hague sat behind his infamous desk—outfitted with a special drawer wherein people could deposit bribes—in the early 1900s.

Fulop’s slogan? “Enough.”

His challenger, incumbent Mayor Jerremiah Healy, had no vision, ties to some of the more corrupt members of the city, and perhaps most memorably, was known for wandering around on his porch completely naked. But Healy was machine-approved: everyone from powerful state Democrats to President Barack Obama had endorsed him. 

Their relationship began as contentious (Fulop challenged Menendez for Congress—and lost—in 2004) but eventually grew warm.

And now Fulop, a potential gubernatorial candidate in 2017, is in the position of having to defend Menendez or lose a vital ally.

When the news of Menendez’s impending indictment came down, Fulop told the Jersey Journal’s Terrence McDonald he would “stand by my friend…anyone who is making assumptions about Bob Menendez based on a news story clearly doesn’t know the Senator.” (Interview requests from The Daily Beast to Fulop were not granted.)

New Jersey’s recent history is littered with cautionary tales of those who stuck around too long to avoid stumbling into catastrophe. 

By most accounts former governor Jim McGreevey was a world-class mayor when he served the town of Woodbridge from 1991 to 2002, but then he reached for the next brass ring. McGreevey went to Trenton, and it only took two years until he was forced to resign after installing his unqualified (secret) boyfriend as the state’s homeland security director. 

The current governor Chris Christie passed up a chance to run for president or vice president in 2012, as Republican Party leaders so desperately wanted, opting instead to run for a second term. That proved unwise; he has been under investigation by the United States Attorney for the last 15 months, after a member (or members) of his administration orchestrated the closure of lanes on the George Washington Bridge—the busiest bridge in the world—seemingly to torment a small-time Democratic mayor. Christie’s hopes of running for president in 2016 now appear grim. 

But let’s not forget that when Christie was the United States Attorney from 2002 through 2009, he convicted over 100 public officials. That’s more than one per month.

For every Menendez or McGreevey, there are dozens other small-ball crooks and creeps populating New Jersey’s public offices. Ingle told me what has struck him most about the type of corruption most commonly seen in the Garden State is how “how small the amount of bribery or thievery these people will be involved in.” 

Sometimes it’s as small as a quarter—or several tons of them. 

For a decade, Thomas Rica served as the public works inspector of Ridgewood, a quaint village of less than 25,000 in northern New Jersey. An artificially tanned 43-year-old with a politician’s head of wavy dark hair, Rica made $86,000 a year in the position—but he wanted more. 

Conveniently, Rica had a master key to Village Hall, which housed a coin-collection room full of buckets of quarters from parking meters. Rica would enter the room with the key, manipulate a security camera on the ceiling so that his act wouldn’t be filmed, and steal the coins by the fistful, sometimes $500 worth of coins at a time. 

He did this sometimes several times a week—for years. He would then bring the coins to multiple banks, where he had personal accounts. 

All told, Rica stole $460,000 in quarters. The Bergen Record calculated such a haul weighed 11.25 tons, “the equivalent of three elephants, a single 84-passenger bus or nine Honda Civics.” In June 2014, Rica was sentenced to four years probation, and ordered to pay the village back every last quarter. 

At his press conference, Menendez claimed investigators don’t know the difference between friendship and corruption—but the damning indictment suggests it is Menendez who doesn’t know the difference.

Menendez may not be so lucky, but then he probably should have seen this coming. 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles ... cians-are-all-crooks.html


Posted on: 2015/4/1 20:51
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