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I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.

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All I know is the PATH to 33rd will be a sh it show in about a year or two.


will be?!

that train has already left the too-small station.

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All I know is the PATH to 33rd will be a sh it show in about a year or two.

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Actually, when I moved in to my house 15 years ago there was no net increase in the number of people living here.
It is the people who have moved into the new construction who have increased the population. And it is the poor planning of the new construction and the necessary infrastructure that is the issue here.


Yes. Those of us who moved here 15 years ago didn't buy new construction. We replaced outgoing residents. We didn't contribute to the surge in population, congestion, FILTH, crime, etc. Yes, there are wonderful new shops, restaurants, cultural options that didn't exist and I appreciate those, but the fact remains that the people who came here initially and paved the way for all the other more recent growth didn't want density. We wanted what JC had at that time which was convenience without the assault on our personal space that living here has become. One of the attractions of living here was the fact that you didn't have to kill someone to get on or off a train, listen to horns honking on the streets, get knocked over on the effing sidewalk when a bike came charging at you, etcetera. Living here was pleasant and quiet, and it isn't any longer. Yes, the changes have come with associated benefits too, but the lifestyle that a lot of people moved here for is gone.


Guess what, wherever you move, you don't get to preserve it amber for the rest of time. In cities of all places, you have to accept that the area could and probably will change.


I'm wading through this thread, there's so little information, mostly bickering, but I thought this was so well put. Any response?

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Another Cluster-eff for traffic - I'm sure the great minds in JC will allow construction vehicle access on Marin Blvd instead of 8th or 9th St - similar to the mess they created on Columbus Drive with construction of 70 Columbus high-rise. Always let the developers have their way.
mr. jc_man, wait one cotton pickin' minute. those developers help improve our city through their contributions to our elected officials!

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Another Cluster-eff for traffic - I'm sure the great minds in JC will allow construction vehicle access on Marin Blvd instead of 8th or 9th St - similar to the mess they created on Columbus Drive with construction of 70 Columbus high-rise. Always let the developers have their way.

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Another pre-fab 'kit' building that will be a nightmare for the eventual owners after the warranty period is over ... noting most of the public housing is structurally more sound and cheaper to maintain and over 50 years old!

These are nothing more than cheap apartment buildings that will be covering the area from one side to the other with turn around high paying renters.

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Another pre-fab 'kit' building that will be a nightmare for the eventual owners after the warranty period is over ... noting most of the public housing is structurally more sound and cheaper to maintain and over 50 years old!

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Yes, the only precisely clear way to describe the height of a building is to use feet. Stories gives a rough approximation only. That's why I referred back to the reports giving the actual height - 190 feet.

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correct. tax abatement application says 17 stories.


Terrence, one of your earlier news reports indicated 190 feet. See: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... wer_on_manila_avenue.html

Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.





Most new "luxury" residential construction incorporates ceilings that are much higher than the old standard of 8 feet, which means the actual stories are taller than 10 feet. People get too hung up on the number of stories when talking about buildings, and don't think enough about actual height. For a building topping out at 190 feet, I would expect 17 stories TOP. Anything more would result in low (~8 feet) ceilings.

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Eventually, if this keeps up, I will be living in Stewart Little's house.

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Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.


Hmm don't have the site plan handy so I don't know how high each story is, but the financial plan submitted to the council definitely says 17 -- 13 for the residential units, four for the parking garage

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correct. tax abatement application says 17 stories.


Terrence, one of your earlier news reports indicated 190 feet. See: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... wer_on_manila_avenue.html

Architects generally use 10 feet per story, as a rule of thumb, so that's 19 stories. However figured it's a much bigger building than 12 stories. So big it needed amendments passed to the Master Plan for than area.




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correct. tax abatement application says 17 stories.

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unless the project was downsized, the original post is correct, 17 stories.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... wn_jersey_city_tower.html

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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.


Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.

And if his issue is with trees being cut down, the developers are building a park onsite which will be open to the public. That land has been fenced off and unusable since I moved to the neighborhood 18yrs ago. Now anybody will be able to enjoy it.

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Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.



The KRE building will be 190 feet; the existing Unico building is 130 feet. Thus, the new building will be more than 40% taller than the existing Unico tower.

The new public park will be situated between these large buildings.

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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.


Also OP should check his information. The building is not seventeen stories; I recall it being twelve or thirteen.

And if his issue is with trees being cut down, the developers are building a park onsite which will be open to the public. That land has been fenced off and unusable since I moved to the neighborhood 18yrs ago. Now anybody will be able to enjoy it.

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They applied for variances, got tax breaks and abatements for temporary affordable housing. The time to complain and block it is passed.

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Shame. Construction or Destruction crew chopping trees down today. Green cover over metal fence hiding activity. Asked employee . . "the Unico Towers sold the land, 17 floor tower going up, will reconstruct park between buildings to include trees, dog run etc"

I thought from Marin west there was a zoning prohibition against 17 floor towers?

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The City Council next week is expected to give initial approval to a 30-year tax break for a 17-story residential tower KRE Group is building near Hamilton Park.

The developer, who received a $40 million tax break from the state last month, has pledged to make 20 percent of the tower's 397 units affordable. Mayor Steve Fulop, who for years as a councilman criticized long-term tax breaks for Downtown developments, has said he now supports them if developers build affordable units on-site.

Instead of conventional taxes, KRE would pay a service charge, which in the first year is estimated to be $1.1 million. Conventional taxes would be $2.1 million. KRE could save as much as $41 million over the course of the deal.

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... ax_break_planned_for.html

no surprise here...i knew it was just a matter of time before fulop did a 180... i hear the mayor of bayonne has a more pricipaled stance...maybe he'd make a better governor

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Downtown Jersey City tower getting 30-year tax break

By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal 
August 14, 2015 at  8:02 AM

The City Council next week is expected to give initial approval to a 30-year tax break for a 17-story residential tower KRE Group is building near Hamilton Park.

The developer, who received a $40 million tax break from the state last month, has pledged to make 20 percent of the tower's 397 units affordable. Mayor Steve Fulop, who for years as a councilman criticized long-term tax breaks for Downtown developments, has said he now supports them if developers build affordable units on-site.

Instead of conventional taxes, KRE would pay a service charge, which in the first year is estimated to be $1.1 million. Conventional taxes would be $2.1 million. KRE could save as much as $41 million over the course of the deal.

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A $163 million residential tower slated for the eastern edge of the Hamilton Park neighborhood of Jersey City will receive a $40 million tax break from the state.

The deal, approved yesterday by the state Economic Development Authority, is the second $40 million tax break New Jersey has awarded in as many months to developers seeking to build in the city's booming Downtown.

The 17-story, 397-unit building is planned for the corner of Ninth Street and Marin Boulevard, near the Unico Towers. The developer is Jonathan Kushner, of KRE Group, which is behind the three-tower project going up in Journal Square.

The EDA awarded the tax credits, to be doled out over 10 years, as part of its residential economic redevelopment and growth grant program. The state agency cited KRE's pledge to make 20 percent of the tower's proposed 397 units affordable for households that make between 50 and 80 percent of Hudson County's median household income, $58,442.

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A green space behind a perertually locked fence might as well be a parking lot. This new building is going to have a park that is open to the public so hopefully it will actually be used.

I do agree though, we could use some more public spaces downtown. Like, say a pedestrian plaza.


Exactly...

I lived across the street for 2.5 years and never once saw even a groundskeeper in that green space.

JC is congested and has no quality of life? What is Manhattan then? Yikes.

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!


I am sorry but seeing how I never claimed that you "endorsed" nazism nor objectivism, I don't think you are a person who should be lecturing me on my reading skills.

Second, you didn't just claimed that "oh, people may come to wrong and dangerous conclusions", - you specifically compared Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, to Ayn Rand, to Hitler. Yet, if you haven't noticed there is a huge difference between them, they come from the polar opposite viewpoint. One viewpoint is based on an assumption that people are not equal and that one person may have the power to own another and to violate his rights if he thinks it is a good idea. Another viewpoint is that human rights are of the highest value and that all people are equal and that means the Government has only one legitimate role, - that is to secure those rights.

I see how the adherents of the first idea may be dangerous... well, not "may be" actually. Anyone who believes that he is entitled to rule others is dangerous right out of the box. I do not see how the other side may harm you? If someone believes that he can't own you, and can't rule you, and can take away neither your possessions nor your freedom, - how is that may possibly be dangerous?


Your dogma is usually kinda boring, but this is notable for the observation that an extremist utterly fails to see it when what a set of things have in common is extremism. I'd love to debate the flaws in Objectivism and Libertarianism but this thread has been hijacked enough. Start one in "not JC", or at dancarlin.com if you really want a spirited debate. it's hashed there often, but it can get a little rough. Carlin attracts the disaffected from both wings.

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!


I am sorry but seeing how I never claimed that you "endorsed" nazism nor objectivism, I don't think you are a person who should be lecturing me on my reading skills.

Second, you didn't just claimed that "oh, people may come to wrong and dangerous conclusions", - you specifically compared Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, to Ayn Rand, to Hitler. Yet, if you haven't noticed there is a huge difference between them, they come from the polar opposite viewpoint. One viewpoint is based on an assumption that people are not equal and that one person may have the power to own another and to violate his rights if he thinks it is a good idea. Another viewpoint is that human rights are of the highest value and that all people are equal and that means the Government has only one legitimate role, - that is to secure those rights.

I see how the adherents of the first idea may be dangerous... well, not "may be" actually. Anyone who believes that he is entitled to rule others is dangerous right out of the box. I do not see how the other side may harm you? If someone believes that he can't own you, and can't rule you, and can take away neither your possessions nor your freedom, - how is that may possibly be dangerous?

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


Glad I lost you then. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I was no more endorsing Objectivism than I was National Socialism. I was saying is it's instructive to study how people can analyze a situation and come to WRONG & DANGEROUS conclusions!

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Or the city could have removed the fence.

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A green space behind a perertually locked fence might as well be a parking lot. This new building is going to have a park that is open to the public so hopefully it will actually be used.

I do agree though, we could use some more public spaces downtown. Like, say a pedestrian plaza.

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A city is a better city when it has the amenities for the people who live there. The redevelopment plan that created UNICO provided that there be green space on the back half of the project facing Newport. That highrise was softened by a half block of green lawn, walkways and benches for the UNICO residents. It is now being taken away for another building of the same height and the density of the neighborhood increases dramatically. We lose the green in return yet every time a project comes up before the city residents cry out "Give us some green". Take a good hard look at Jersey City, particularly DTJC, and you realize this is an over-congested place in terms of traffic and people with quality of life falling to the wayside. Concessions are made to developers in almost every instance, tax breaks, increased density and height, no parking while the citizens who live here are ignored. This didn't start with Steve Fulop but he made the case repeatedly in his tenure as Councilman that he would reverse the process. At some point not too far down the road this citys grid will be hopelessly gridlocked by traffic and lack of public transportation and the PATH system will not be able to handle the load of new passengers its going to have.

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Have you actually read her work or are you just reacting to what you've heard? ...

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I can see why we should, we should know why and how people come to crazy conclusions if they're kind enough to write them out for us. There's a lot of crazythink out there, and some of them, like Paul Ryan & Rand Paul, are seriously dangerous.



Well, you had me up till the Mein Kampf.

By the way, surely, you are aware that Main Kampf is the writing of a socialist, someone who believed that people must be forced to do what their leaders define as "Common Good", and that personal rights have no value compared to that "Common Good", - while people like Ryan and especially Paul are on the direct opposite side of the political scale and build their views starting from human rights being having the highest value.


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