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Re: Cuban letter writer is upset: Che Guevara used in Hard Grove Cafe ad
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Right. My only caveat is that there is no left or right. There's only people who value freedom and people who want to use coercion and violence to achieve their goals. Both the far left and the far right fall in the latter category; they are no different from each other.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 6:30
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Let's use some logic. If I oppose someone saying that they WOULD use violence against innocent people if they could, then clearly I oppose violence against innocent people. It's painfully obvious and it goes without saying. There was nothing that I previously said that would suggest otherwise. So nice attempt at a straw man argument, but one thing you're not going to get me on is consistency. Clearly, my actual point still stands.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 6:33
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No, Dirt.. there was NO straw man argument.
I repeatedly ASKED you a question ....if you denounced the right-wing Cuban's terror attack on US soil against the United Nations buliding. YOU said NOTHING...and still refuse to completely answer THAT question. It's really quite simple: Do you condemn the right-wing Cubans' use of missles to attack the United Nations at which Che Guevara was speaking? Yes...or NO?
Posted on: 2010/1/23 6:41
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Again. I've answered your question. And it was a straw man's argument because it was irrelevant to my point. Logic should've given you the answer without me spelling it out for you.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 6:44
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You STILL will NOT answer with a simple YES or NO.
Sad. You are SOOooooooo outraged that Che allegedly SAID something. (And NEVER actually DID the allegation) YET...you refuse to definitively CONDEMN right-wing Cubans for their terror attack on US soil. (something which DID happen.) You're so funny. Oh...btw..."straw man argument"--YOU should look up the meaning.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 6:53
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Again, I answered your question. Read post #38. I know the meaning of a straw man argument. And again, I know he didn't do it. He didn't do it because he couldn't. That was my point. I'm sorry the truth offends you so much that it makes you create a diversion tactic. Your question has nothing to do with my point. It still stands because it is true. It has nothing to do with me. It is what it is. He said it. Take it up with him.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 7:00
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I would--except he's DEAD..the CIA killed him.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 7:18
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JerseyCityPower: relax. Terrorist violence is bad from right and left. Extremism is bad from both. You shouldn't be so upset about right-wing terror and be, in short, an apologist for left-wing terror. That is, unless of course you think it the core of revolutionary action. (BTW yes I know that Thomas Jefferson and Nelson Mandela, etc., once supported violent struggle against unjust regimes. That is not really the point if that's where this is going).
Anywy: This thread really ISN'T about a bad conversation with people I'm glad I don't have to have this conversation with in person... It's about how this story ISN'T news. It's just a bad restaurant's poor taste and terrible menu and, probably, a wealthy right-wing Cuban's rejection of that restaurant for that stupid reason alone. When he should reject it for being terrible. Whoever keeps posting this JJ crap... Stop.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 7:21
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Yes, I know he's dead. Figure of speech.
Posted on: 2010/1/23 7:22
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This is a great display of debate and free speech and I thank the moderator for this opportunity here.
That being said.... This thread IS interesting...or else others would NOT read ..and post silly,.."this ISN'T interesting" posts....JUVINILE. I see it like THIS: Some phonies are SHOCKED...SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!!..that a people or person would defend themselves from ACTUAL terror...in other words...THEY FIGHT BACK! They look the other way, or perhaps actually BENEFIT from THAT certain aggression. A question: If a person (female OR male) is repeatedly raped and beaten and threatened with death....and they FIGHT BACK and kill their assailant...are THEY all of sudden a 'terrorist'?
Posted on: 2010/1/24 1:06
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He's dead, he's dead, he's dead.
Posted on: 2010/1/24 18:46
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Posted on: 2010/1/24 21:21
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Go play with your hobbit action figures and stop posting.
Posted on: 2010/1/25 4:31
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Loopy..... Why SOOOO Serious?
What's a hobbit?
Posted on: 2010/1/25 9:17
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Sure, look how that is working out with china, they became more powerful and have more stringent on denying basic human rights like the freedom to vote, religion, etc.
Posted on: 2010/1/25 11:39
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Hey, did this debate just get some substance? I think it did. I gotta get in its head and crawl around a little. True. Like any relationship, everything comes with problems. Do one thing, somethin' else happens. Do another... That's why people jump out of buildings or head to the fringe. Those silly ducks refuse to line dance. Long sigh... Trading with China didn't cause them to eviscerate Tibet. They would've done it anyway. America isn't the only country they can trade with. So an American blockade only hurts the poor. So how do you deal with that? Get them needing our trade and then enforce the law. Why don't we? Because our corporations fund our politicians. Hey, didn't I hear something about that lately?
Posted on: 2010/1/25 12:13
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I'll avoid wading into the issues of Cuban-American relations. I'll just say that the prior owner, Dominic Santana, was vehemently anti-Castro. So it's a bit ironic that the new owners want to play up the "Che Chic" angle.
Posted on: 2010/1/25 22:46
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