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Crime can and does happen everywhere. But look at the nature and number of occurances. When the Jersey Journal posted murder stats for the year, there were two downtown: one in the Holland projects (if you consider that downtown) and the other was someone from outside of downtown who drove there to throw a body in the river. Shall we compare that to what happened everywhere else? I lived in NYC but I wanted to move to JC because rent is less, I could have my car, and most of my friends and families live in NJ. Even if I won the lottery, I'd probably by a condo at Crystal Point or Hudson Tea in Hoboken. I like this area, I don't like the hipsters in LES or the grannies in UES. I'm a Jersey guy. It's interesting that Brooklyn is being deadpanned because people are trying this with JC. Oh you live Brooklyn Heights/Newport- how commercial! You should live in Bushwick/Greenville. It's so authentic! People can live wherever they like, but the only reason Jersey City is more often lumped with Hoboken than Newark is Newport and Downtown. It amazes me that people try to cast dispersion on Downtown. All the business and almost all of the restaurants, nightlife, or anything else that draw anyone from outside JC to come is there. It's quite rare that people downtown go west of I-78 unless they are leaving JC. The reverse is not true. As to taxes, look at all the corporations and businesses downtown compared to the rest of the city. It's like Brooklyn- no one in Cobble Hill is wringing their hands about East New York, but Brooklyn would be nothing without the neighborhoods with chain restaurants and grocery stores and safe streets. marry me and let's have kids. like now
Posted on: 2012/8/8 20:36
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Crime can and does happen everywhere. But look at the nature and number of occurances. When the Jersey Journal posted murder stats for the year, there were two downtown: one in the Holland projects (if you consider that downtown) and the other was someone from outside of downtown who drove there to throw a body in the river. Shall we compare that to what happened everywhere else?
I lived in NYC but I wanted to move to JC because rent is less, I could have my car, and most of my friends and families live in NJ. Even if I won the lottery, I'd probably by a condo at Crystal Point or Hudson Tea in Hoboken. I like this area, I don't like the hipsters in LES or the grannies in UES. I'm a Jersey guy. It's interesting that Brooklyn is being deadpanned because people are trying this with JC. Oh you live Brooklyn Heights/Newport- how commercial! You should live in Bushwick/Greenville. It's so authentic! People can live wherever they like, but the only reason Jersey City is more often lumped with Hoboken than Newark is Newport and Downtown. It amazes me that people try to cast dispersion on Downtown. All the business and almost all of the restaurants, nightlife, or anything else that draw anyone from outside JC to come is there. It's quite rare that people downtown go west of I-78 unless they are leaving JC. The reverse is not true. As to taxes, look at all the corporations and businesses downtown compared to the rest of the city. It's like Brooklyn- no one in Cobble Hill is wringing their hands about East New York, but Brooklyn would be nothing without the neighborhoods with chain restaurants and grocery stores and safe streets.
Posted on: 2012/8/8 20:34
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Crime can happen anywhere in town - that is true. However, most of the individuals who commit those crimes do not live in downtown.
Posted on: 2012/8/1 22:21
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Crime can happen anywhere in the city even downtown... no matter what side of downtown. Just be realistic and careful.
Jersey City police say three men were victims of a gunpoint carjacking Oct 27, 2011 ... JERSEY CITY ? Three men were victims of a gunpoint carjacking in Downtown Jersey City Tuesday and police later ... Anyone with information on the crime is asked to call the Jersey City police tip line at (201) 547-JAIL. http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... y_police_say_three_m.html Judge rules Jersey City couple whose dogs committed violent attacks Dec 19, 2011 ... JEFFERSON ? A judge has ruled that a Jersey City couple whose dogs committed violent attacks Downtown should face criminal charges for ... http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... s_jersey_city_couple.html 2 men assaulted in Downtown Jersey City, one may have brain ... Nov 27, 2009 ... A 58-year-old Jersey City man is fighting for his life and could have brain damage after being assaulted Downtown on Thanksgiving night, ... http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ulted_in_downtown_je.html 22-year-old Jersey City woman attacked on doorstep just after ... Apr 6, 2012 ... A 22-year-old Downtown Jersey City woman was attacked on her ... are responsible for the vast majority of violent street crime in Jersey City? Cops probing earlier crime nab 2 Jersey City men in armed robbery ... Dec 22, 2011 ... Two Jersey City men were arrested on armed robbery charges ... 'Unattended' duffel bag left Downtown poses no danger, Jersey City police ... http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ng_earlier_crime_nab.html UPDATE: Two banks hit in Downtown Jersey City | NJ.com Nov 23, 2007 ... A PNC bank at Exchange Place in Jersey City was robbed of about ... attempted the same crime at a Bank of America on Pavonia Avenue, ... http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o_banks_hit_in_downtown_j
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West of 78 isn't even considered downtown.
They're building brand new condos at 3rd and Newark.
Posted on: 2012/8/1 20:04
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I think that fits in perfectly with everything everyone has been saying in this thread - stay away from the westside of 78. The closer you are to that 78 barrier, the more dangerous it is. Consider anything west of 78 no mans land.
Posted on: 2012/8/1 15:48
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A gold-chain was ripped from the neck of a 48-year-old Jersey City man at gunpoint Monday as he was standing on First Street near Brunswick Street, police said.
Based on the description from the victim, police apprehended a 19-year-old at Bergen and Grant avenues shortly after the 9 p.m. robbery, reports said. The victim positively identified the suspect, who was charged with robbery, unlawful possession of a weapon, and possession of a weapon for unlawful purposes, reports said. The 19-year-old was not identified in police reports. The victim said the suspect yanked the chain, which has a gold crucifix and is worth $150, off his neck after saying, ?Give me the chain,? reports said. The robber fled on a bicycle, but police found the suspect in the area. Chain Link
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For what it's worth, the average "abated" property downtown pays $8000 in PILOT fees, 100% of which goes to the city. The average non-abated property in Jersey City pays $4000 in taxes, only half of which goes to the city. Questions over fairness of the city getting all revenue and shutting out the county and schools, the city receives four times as much from "abated" properties downtown vs the average property.
Posted on: 2012/7/31 14:56
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Abated properties pay more to the city's municipal budget, so no, they don't need you. You don't know what you are talking about ROTFL LOL BFF GR8 MHOTY LMAO SOL STBY
Posted on: 2012/7/31 14:44
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what is the percentage of people who own homes and pay property tax in those "less desirable" neighborhoods vs. in downtown. 27% of the properties in Jersey City are tax abated (mostly Downtown and the Waterfront). The rest of the homeowners in Jersey City pick up the tab..... but they don't need us outside of downtown... LOL!
Posted on: 2012/7/31 14:35
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User, that is a good point, what is the percentage of people who own homes and pay property tax in those "less desirable" neighborhoods vs. in downtown. Willing to bet there are a lot more renters in downtown, that means less stability over the long term, i.e. if for some reason the rental market bottoms out. Lots of those fancy condo buildings are full of renters because the developers gave up trying to actually sell the damn things, it's not always so great having a highly mobile populace. Most condo buildings have rules on the percentage of units that can be occupied by renters. The percentage is small - max like 20% - many buildings have much smaller percentages. Shore Club in Newport is practically sold out minus a few penthouses. 77Hudson is over 85% sold. Even the Saffron, which I have called cheap many times over, is practically sold out.
Posted on: 2012/7/30 17:37
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User, that is a good point, what is the percentage of people who own homes and pay property tax in those "less desirable" neighborhoods vs. in downtown. Willing to bet there are a lot more renters in downtown, that means less stability over the long term, i.e. if for some reason the rental market bottoms out. Lots of those fancy condo buildings are full of renters because the developers gave up trying to actually sell the damn things, it's not always so great having a highly mobile populace. At the same time there are foreclosures and abandoned properties up the wazoo in Greenville. But I don't think you can write off everything that isn't downtown, as if downtown is like Quebec threatening to secede from the rest of the city or something, it doesn't work that way. What hurts the rest of JC hurts downtown and if downtown grows beyond its current bounds (i.e. into McGuinely square) it helps the rest of the city little by little. I would personally like to see some development in terms of culture, public transport, etc. extend outwards into the heights, journal square, etc. so that I could eventually buy a place with deity forbid a yard AND a place to park for less than the cost of my soul, and not be bored out of my skull because there's like one good restaurant and one bar that isn't sketchy.
Posted on: 2012/7/29 23:36
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I guess GV BL WB, and the Heights should all stop paying taxes since we are not needed, even though we own the most homes then any part of downtown.
Funny thing most people in the Garden State say the say thing about JC or as they call it the sh*t hole. They don't need us as well. Good Day!
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You will be set on fire and pissed on. Don't do it.. Lol Seriously.. it's a fine neighborhood, best of luck and welcome 
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Hey megmcg,
I've lived in the exact area you're planning on moving to for the last 7 years (I'm on 1st btw Colgate/Merseles). Prior to that I lived at Erie/1st so I have a decent knowledge of First St. in general. 1st/Brunswick is safe. Fine to walk around at night and to walk to/from the Path at all times of day. Every area of downtown JC has something that the people living in that area wishes were better imo. In the area you are talking about it is the Ferris students at lunch time, a general disregard of using garbage cans by said students and others, Indios and the Latin Lounge. Jordan's is also a concern, but not right at the corner you are referencing. On the flip side, the last 7 years have had a large amount of growth. Lots of people, strollers, dogs and nicer cars finding their way back here. There isn't a place in downtown JC you'll close your eyes and think you are in Princeton (that includes Newport, Paulus Hook, Hamilton Park, Van Vorst Park and the corner of 1st/Brunswick). I think you'll enjoy the area. 2nd St. Bakery is very good for rolls (sausage, pepperoni, chicken, eggplant, cinnamon, etc), mini pizzas and sandwiches. Pecoraro's on Newark Ave has great fresh breads. Madam Claude is a french style restaurant not too far from your corner and it is very good. Walk east along 1st St until you hit Erie St for Torico's Ice Cream (worth the wait in line) and explore all the places along Newark Ave, Jersey Ave and Grove St. You'll also find a lot of threads about people's favorites places if you search the forum. You'll also find, like with everything else on JcList, that someone will tell you something is great while the next person tells you it sucks. Best way to know is to get out there and explore your neighborhood. Welcome to the area and hopefully you'll enjoy!
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nteresting.... How about if you think DTJC sucks? Newport is even worst. Not everyone likes cheap condos. When people assume they make asses of themselves. Not everyone, goes for new development. Manhattan is great to work, hang out, but not everyone wants to live there.
Posted on: 2012/7/27 22:07
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Interesting.... How about if you think DTJC sucks? Newport is even worst. Not everyone likes cheap condos.
When people assume they make asses of themselves. Not everyone, goes for new development. Manhattan is great to work, hang out, but not everyone wants to live there. The neighborhood in question is fine, I lived on Brunswick and 2nd for about 2 years. Pretty safe and pretty laid back.
Posted on: 2012/7/27 20:45
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VA2015 wrote: the type of people who want it to be like a cheaper version of Park Slope, downtown Manhattan, etc. and prefer new construction condos or renovated brownstones, vs. those who expect it to be more like the cheaper parts of Brooklyn and want charm and affordable space. I am not sure what your definition of charm is but I can look up charm and here is what I get: charm (ch?rm) n. 1. The power or quality of pleasing or delighting; attractiveness: a breezy tropical setting of great charm. 2. A particular quality that attracts; a delightful characteristic: A mischievous grin was among the child's many charms. 3. A small ornament, such as one worn on a bracelet. 4. An item worn for its supposed magical benefit, as in warding off evil; an amulet. 5. An action or formula thought to have magical power. 6. The chanting of a magic word or verse; incantation. 7. Physics A quantum property of the charm quark whose conservation explains the absence of certain strange-particle decay modes and that accounts for the longevity of the J particle. You can either mean 1 or 2. I think it is safe to assume that if you are making a comparison (which you did) and list characteristics, you assume that one item doesn't have the other item's characteristics. So I assume you meant downtown manhattan and park slope don't have charm which is pretty offensive to those in downtown manhattan and/or park slope. Quote: I thought everyone knew that "charm" and "character" is code for "old construction" - which can either mean upkept really well and therefore historical and cool, or alternately a death trap that barely passes fire codes with electrical wiring circa 1932. No, not everyone assumes that. Quote: There are definitely some amazing spots in Park Slope and Manhattan but it's not my vibe, nor is Newport. Why didn't you just say that in the beginning... Quote: The assumptions about my finances are kind of funny. I could afford to live any of those places if I were determined to, for the record, but we're renting cheap so that we can buy in a few years. Most people who live in JC can't afford NYC. Most people who live outside downtown can't afford downtown. (excluding those with families living in the suburbs of course). So I was making a general assumption based on trends. If you're not part of that then you should correct me and not be offended. In any case, there is nothing wrong with me. I'm just against this mentality that if you live in newport or downtown jc you're "getting ripped off" or that "it's dead" or that it has "no charm" or what not or that all those neighborhoods are filled with "jerks." All of which have been said by various folks here.
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Ha, interesting discussion. I thought everyone knew that "charm" and "character" is code for "old construction" - which can either mean upkept really well and therefore historical and cool, or alternately a death trap that barely passes fire codes with electrical wiring circa 1932. I've seen both on my apartment tours. Grounded outlets are your friend!
There are definitely some amazing spots in Park Slope and Manhattan but it's not my vibe, nor is Newport. The assumptions about my finances are kind of funny. I could afford to live any of those places if I were determined to, for the record, but we're renting cheap so that we can buy in a few years. We have a well kept old construction small 3 bedroom for what you'd pay for a studio in the aforementioned neighborhoods, but we don't got no doorman unless you count the homeless dude who hangs around out front a lot LOL. He keeps my rent cheap so hats off to him
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Because if you live near Jersey Ave you are in the middle of downtown. If you live on 1st and Brunswick, there is nothing west of you.
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Dude - you need to get a serious grip.
a) No one was saying Manhattan/Brooklyn have no charm. b) Living in Paulus Hook does not make VA2015 less wealthy than you. Quote:
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I find it almost laughable how jealously is normalized here on JClist.
So park slope or downtown manhattan have no charm? Or do they have no charm because you're too poor and can't afford to live there? Let's be honest here.... Let me be honest with you. Most people, including myself, if money were not a factor and city life is preferred over surbia (and who have no family or kids) would be in midtown west in a 30 story luxury building with a dead on view of the empire state building. I'm too poor to afford anything more than where I live in paulus hook and you're too poor to afford anything better than anything where you are living at now. For you to put down those living in manhattan or park slope as having no charm is quite ridiculous. They are richer than you, deal with it. If it makes you feel better at night to think that where you live has "charm" then so be it but the newport area has just as much make believe "charm" as where you live does. The fact is though, more development money flows to newport than does to anything west of jersey ave....how are you measuring "charm"?
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Re: drawing the line at Jersey Ave:
I've noticed there tend to be 2 types of people who move to JC for the first time (my realtor noted this as well) - the type of people who want it to be like a cheaper version of Park Slope, downtown Manhattan, etc. and prefer new construction condos or renovated brownstones, vs. those who expect it to be more like the cheaper parts of Brooklyn and want charm and affordable space. Or to put it another way, white collar professionals looking for amenities vs. artist types looking for affordable rent. If you are the first type, by all means stay west of Jersey Ave and maybe even don't venture past the Newport area. There are plenty of "pristine" luxury condos with doormen, gyms, etc. for a bargain compared to NYC. If you are the second type - the best deals are just west of Jersey Ave (can you tell where I live). As long as you don't go past 78 it is definitely a safe, fairly quiet residential area. There are lots of places on 1st st. with charm and character - I looked at 3 apartments on that street when I was moving, ended up scoring a great deal closer to grove, but I remember one spot in particular that was on 1st that was open plan living/dining/kitchen with gorgeous hard wood floors, exposed brick walls, large bathroom with claw foot tub, etc. No washer/dryer/doorman but I think rent was like $1300 and it was a one bedroom. This was 2 years ago, it probably rents for more now.
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bill wrote: I wouldn't live west of Jersey Ave... Usually it's west of 78 (where there are housing projects) but to each his own. I've lived near 1st and coles until recently (now I'm in paulus hook) and the truth is the area is pretty safe. The unsafe things have already been mentioned - sometimes there will be kids from ferris making noise and the clubs around there are loud on some nights. the area is undergoing some development so it'll be good - ie. crescent court and 3rd street flats are relatively brand new condo buildings.
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I've lived in JC for over a decade in various neighborhoods, including Hamilton Park, harsimus cove, and now in this particular area. I've been in this section for over a year now and it is totally fine. I've walked to and from the train station (even throughout my entire pregnancy) at all hours of the day and night with no problem. The neighborhood association is great and I like how quiet the area is. Is it as fancy as some of the other areas of downtown? No, but it works for me.
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Why ask why? Everyone has their line. For some it might be Marin, for others it's the West Side Highway, for plenty it's 5th Ave! There's no accounting for "risk aversion". For some ANY risk is too much, and they live in gated, suburban, McMansions farms. On the other hand, maybe it's no more than Bill hates walking, and beyond Jersey is too far from the PATH.
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I don't live in that area which might give a better opinion seeing I am not imersed in the neighborhood so I will probably get better vibes from not being used to the area. I do not find the area threatning, it seems comfortable, quaint almost. That was an old Italian section years back which you will notice by the two bread bakeries. The one around the corner on Second St. serves up some really good food with lines out the door. It is up and coming if not already I bet there are some old timers still left there. I would suggest to get to know the local block association along with going to the East district Captain's meeting. Pretend that you live there already so you won't get any surprises.
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Why? I'd argue that some of the most well maintained and charming brownstone blocks in all of downtown JC are between Jersey and Varick.
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I live on 3rd and Brunswick, area is fine. JC is a city so act accordingly. I have no issues with the neighborhood, 2nd St Bakery is right there and there are a bunch of places on Newark. Not to mention bars like Lamp Post, White Star, Lucky 7, and then Madame Claude's all within walking distance.
Just because that guy won't live past Jersey Ave, doesn't mean you can't.
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