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Re: Governor Murphy Signs Legislation Permitting Operation of Low Speed E-Bikes and Motorized Scooters
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I thought the biggest purpose of the bike crowd was to be better for the environment. Now you can ride your bike AND use fossil fuels to do it. Smashing.


Ah, “the bike crowd,” yes. I’ll take the leap that you want a serious answer, so:

Our understanding is that these e-scooters and e-bikes are not burning fossil fuels.

But all electricity to power them comes from sources that can be more or less clean, so how it’s generated matters. That’s why, yes, in general, us bike crowd people prefer non-powered bikes (and scooters, and feet) to be dominant. They’re guaranteed green.

But it’s been amply demonstrated, in many cities, that e-assist bikes and e-scooters fill niches that non-powered bikes don’t reach--especially in environments still lacking in comprehensive protected bike lane networks. E-bikes are good for people with especially long but bikeable commutes. For people with certain disabilities and weaknesses, particularly for older residents. For people living next to a steep elevation, if you know any of them. Scooters, meanwhile, are great for short hops, kind of like faster walking, and very easy to use spontaneously. So, they both allow more people to live without cars, or with fewer cars, often the same people who use non-powered bikes or walk for many trips.

So the net result is generally a city that drives and owns cars less, and bikes and walks more.

All this is also true about great mass transit.

Bikes are central to transportation in Dutch towns and cities, but they have all these other choices too, which only helps.

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Melodramatic much?

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Not melodramatic enough. The low level of attention paid to the constant drip, drip, drip of lives lost to cars is a bizarre sociological anomaly, aided by a century’s worth of propaganda by automakers, oil drillers, highway contractors, and a host of other interests. Google it.

If a train kills one person and injures several others, there’s a huge investigation, national hearings, a bound report ... because we don’t accept trains killing us. Not so with cars; we’re inured.

Scooters might be terrible here. But the correct default stance toward basically anything that helps substitute for cars in crowded cities is thank frigging goodness, let’s try this out.

If everybody takes that attitude, you won’t hear melodrama from me. But of course many will, and some are, already complaining about scooters. Give it a minute, kay?

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bikes with engines?

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Just get all bikes & scotters off the sidewalks - they are very dangerous to pedestrians.


I wish JCPD would step up enforcement of this. Too many grown up hipsters riding their bikes on the sidewalks. If you are too afraid to ride on the road, where you belong, then go ride in the park. Riding on sidewalks is incredibly rude and dangerous to you AND drivers. If you are driving a car you are not looking for, or expecting, a cyclist to come out flying through a pedestrian intersection crosswalk. I have seen a lot of close calls because of this.

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Melodramatic much?

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All these solutions have problems.

The cars they help replace have FAR worse problems, like, you know, relentless violent death and dismemberment, lung cancer and asthma deaths from air pollution, deaths from heart disease and other diseases of sedentary lifestyles, accelerated climate change, massive public (taxpayer) subsidy for precious driving and parking space on public land ...

And they’re not even here yet. BUT BY ALL MEANS, LET’S BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM! That seems sound.

Your city is on fire. Stop obsessing about whether fire extinguishers could be marginally safer, and use them, immediately, to PUT OUT THE DAMN FIRE.

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Just get all bikes & scotters off the sidewalks - they are very dangerous to pedestrians.

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I thought the biggest purpose of the bike crowd was to be better for the environment. Now you can ride your bike AND use fossil fuels to do it. Smashing.

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All these solutions have problems.

The cars they help replace have FAR worse problems, like, you know, relentless violent death and dismemberment, lung cancer and asthma deaths from air pollution, deaths from heart disease and other diseases of sedentary lifestyles, accelerated climate change, massive public (taxpayer) subsidy for precious driving and parking space on public land ...

And they’re not even here yet. BUT BY ALL MEANS, LET’S BITTERLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM! That seems sound.

Your city is on fire. Stop obsessing about whether fire extinguishers could be marginally safer, and use them, immediately, to PUT OUT THE DAMN FIRE.

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These bikes are common in NYC and they are also silent. The operators do not follow road signs which makes them dangerous. Their silence makes them more dangerous because they appear out of nowhere.


Lol, as opposed to the non motorized bikes which are so loud.


You have no clue they are coming especially if you are crossing the street and are going opposite of traffic.

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These bikes are common in NYC and they are also silent. The operators do not follow road signs which makes them dangerous. Their silence makes them more dangerous because they appear out of nowhere.


Lol, as opposed to the non motorized bikes which are so loud.

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These bikes are common in NYC and they are also silent. The operators do not follow road signs which makes them dangerous. Their silence makes them more dangerous because they appear out of nowhere.

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1. Remove Flags from LSP > DONE
2. Legalize motorized scooters/bikes on public streets > DONE
3. Make the sun shine today > DONE
4. ???
5. next page...

Murph is just nailing the his political promise punch list, addressing and finishing up all these important things the voters demand while providing leadership and accountability.

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It's almost impossible not to ride on sidewalks in JC. I was a daily rider from the Heights to Journal Square and if I didn't want to get hit by a car there were parts of the trip where riding on the sidewalk was necessary.

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Great! More jerks to dodge on sidewalks...


If they are gonna be treated the same as bikes, they shouldn't be on the sidewalk. I do agree with you though. They'll end up in the sidewalk eventually.

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Great! More jerks to dodge on sidewalks...

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