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Hate your commute? The PATH is hoping these music performances will help.

Today 7:00 PM (6/5/2019)
By Larry Higgs | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Can entertainment soothe the savage beast that is the daily commute? PATH is giving musicians and other performers a chance to do that in five rail stations starting on Thursday.

Local singers, dancers, musicians, comedians and poets will perform in PATH stations across Hudson County as part of the 2019 PATH Performs! series, starting this Thursday in Harrison. The program is intended enhance the travel experience for thousands of commuters while showcasing local performers, officials said.

Apollo Sonders, a Jersey-City based band, starts the program at 4:30 p.m. Thursday, at the Harrison Station. The band has performed at the Bowery Electric in New York City, World Café Live in Philadelphia, and the Asbury Hotel in Asbury Park, among other popular regional venues.

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. . . Auto replenishment SmartLink is not affected.

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This has been a pretty reliable way to go.

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Any idea when credit / debit will be working again so PATH and MTA cards can be refilled? This is day 3 that the system has been down.

I have a full TransitChek card and an empty PATH & MTA cards.... The lines are long to pay cash :(


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PATH train alert: Bring cash as credit card processing problems continue Thursday

Today 7:41 AM (05/23/2019)
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Passengers who ride PATH trains between New Jersey and New York City better bring cash.

The Port Authority says it is still unable to process credit and debit transactions at PATH vending machines and online Thursday. Auto replenishment SmartLink is not affected.

PATH passengers can use pay-per-ride MetroCards and refill them at MTA machines.

PATH says it is working to fix the problem.


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Is there a reason you can't fill your MTA card at an actual MTA machine?


Haven't been in a MTA station recently and just using PATH for now. Was hoping to avoid having to do so.

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Any idea when credit / debit will be working again so PATH and MTA cards can be refilled? This is day 3 that the system has been down.

I have a full TransitChek card and an empty PATH & MTA cards.... The lines are long to pay cash :(


Is there a reason you can't fill your MTA card at an actual MTA machine?

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Any idea when credit / debit will be working again so PATH and MTA cards can be refilled? This is day 3 that the system has been down.

I have a full TransitChek card and an empty PATH & MTA cards.... The lines are long to pay cash :(

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So as a public service, the Murphy Administration announces something that we have all known for years... NJ Transit is a failure, use your car.

https://www.nj.com/traffic/2019/05/don ... -bts-fans-just-drive.html

Now let's build a tunnel!

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Fatality.

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5/5/19 12:15 AM

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JSQ-33 via HOB operating on uptown side with delays. Trains by passing 9th, due to fatality. NJT cross honoring HOB, NWK & NYPS.

https://twitter.com/PATHTrain/status/1124890236205461504

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JSQ-33 via HOB line operating with a delay because of a medical emergency at 9 St.

https://twitter.com/PATHTrain/status/1124848959875309568

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What's with the blue line on the floor at Grove street station?


The blue line helps PATH monitor how crowded the station is through the security cameras.

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What's with the blue line on the floor at Grove street station?

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what is the status of opening another path stop in the marion section? Is this still being considered?


The Port Authority does not want to build a station in Marion. City forced the Port Authority to study it as part of the legal settlement over back taxes. Study is supposed to be done sometime this year. I'd be shocked if it said anything other than "Marion station is not feasible in the near term due to (x, y, z reasons), so no further action will be taken."


You're probably right but all that's needed is a politically connected property owner and POOF there it appears.

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The Port Authority does not want to build a station in Marion. City forced the Port Authority to study it as part of the legal settlement over back taxes. Study is supposed to be done sometime this year. I'd be shocked if it said anything other than "Marion station is not feasible in the near term due to (x, y, z reasons), so no further action will be taken."

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what is the status of opening another path stop in the marion section? Is this still being considered?

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Upgrading the PATH System

The general manager of the commuter line says the New York-New Jersey region depends on investments in infrastructure.

To the Editor:

Re “Even With Packed Trains, PATH Will Lose $400 Million This Year” (news article, Jan. 3):

Commuter railroads keep the region moving in a safe and reliable manner. And it’s no secret that, like all major passenger railroads in the United States, they operate at a deficit and require significant subsidies. PATH is no different, and the amount of expenses it recovers through fares is on par with other American transit systems.

But the benefit it provides goes well beyond an affordable ride in or out of New York and to Newark, Harrison, Jersey City and Hoboken, 24/7.

In 2017, PATH’s yearly ridership numbers approached 83 million, compared with 73.7 million in 2014, an 11 percent increase in just three years. That’s because major new building developments were built precisely because of their proximity to a PATH station. The residents who have since flocked to them and become riders are a true testament to the system’s value.

As these communities grow, we must continue to invest in infrastructure built more than 100 years ago — from station upgrades, to critical repairs, to modern signaling systems and safety technology. The region depends upon it.

Michael Marino
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The writer is director and general manager of the Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/opi ... -new-jersey-new-york.html


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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.


Agreed. The idea that tolls should be exclusively used for some other purposes is hogwash, when the PA saw it fit to spend 4 BILLION dollars in a vanity project that lacks enough demand (1 WTC is STILL 25% vacant, and this is despite the city and state giving away sweet enticements to get companies to relocate there) with a companion architectural boondoggle that doubles as a mall and commuting station which has a puzzling (and incredibly unfriendly) layout that is already having issues.

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Good points here. But I'm tired of the old argument made by the Times reporter that it is somehow inappropriate for tunnel tolls to subsidize mass transit operations. It's entirely appropriate, and good public policy.Quote:

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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


The only retailers that see to be busy are the Apple Store and Eataly.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


A good chunk of the 4 billion that went into construction were also earmarked federal funds. As I understand, those funds weren't allowed to be used for anything but head house construction, hence why they went so grandiose and didn't do any tandem infrastructure improvements. (though you can argue we should have gotten much better for 4bn).

Between the sale of the space and the federal money, the PA didn't spend much, if any, money on the actual construction.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.


Definitely wise. I bet sales per sqft is shit compared to ultra high maintenance costs of the white marble.

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PANYNJ sold the retail space to Westfield for $1.415 billion in 2013. PANYNJ does get extra payments if/when the mall revenue exceeds a certain threshold (I don’t know what that threshold is).

It may seem foolish for PANYNJ to sell it off, but given how many empty stores there still are, it may have been wise to let it go.

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good point. perhaps the port authority should look to hong kong for inspiration on running PATH. In hong kong, the transportation authority owns its real estate and uses the cash flow from these properties to subsidize the metro there.



The original H&M railroad owned the office buildings that stood above the original lower Manhattan station. The Port Authority wanted the property.. but not the railroad.


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Back in the early 1990s, the PA wanted to be a major waterfront developer. They were supposed to redevelop the Hoboken waterfront (which was rotting piers at the time), but got voted down by Hoboken residents.

No rail transportation using the existing railroad right of way was part of the plan.

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So the oculus cost $4B including the mall and the transportation hall. Is the Port Authority getting any concession/rental income related to the commercial activity?
good point. perhaps the port authority should look to hong kong for inspiration on running PATH. In hong kong, the transportation authority owns its real estate and uses the cash flow from these properties to subsidize the metro there.

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So the oculus cost $4B including the mall and the transportation hall. Is the Port Authority getting any concession/rental income related to the commercial activity?

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The other thing all these articles miss is that the PATH spurs economic development. The $400 million a year subsidy is easily made up when you look at the economic impact to the state. Billions a year in new residential and commercial construction and high-income earners.

When there was talk of axing weekend and late night services, the developers were the most vocal in calls to the governor - both democrat and republican.

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Shit article. Didn't delve deeper to discover mismanagement at PATH.

The $4 billion Occulus wasn't necessary and includes the cost of the mall. It has no benefit the commuters. The temporary PATH station was much more functional.

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WTC ... talk about the literal "white elephant"... they have dimmed the lights in the building because some genius finally figured out that white is a difficult color to keep clean. Particularly in winter. Consequently people are falling down the steps to the PATH because they not seeing steps or not using the handrails which were installed long after it opened, for obvious safety reasons. And it leaks? LOL

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I was just about to post the same article. The reporter does a good job of presenting some facts, but never seems to question the wasteful ways that led the Port Authority to spend 4 BILLION dollars in the reconstruction of the WTC station. That should have been addressed in the article. Perhaps the PATH wouldn’t be such a money pit if more fiscal restraint was being exercised. Also not addressed: why is the Harrison construction project going to cost so much. The article mentions projected spending of ~250 MM, but prior numbers I had seen indicated the cost was pegged around 500 MM. Either way, it seems like a lot of money for what amounts to a tiny station with very limited ridership.

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Apparently the bathrooms across from forever 21 are open 24/7

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I doubt narco is a daily commuter because it's a horrible station for commuters. It looks nice if just visiting, but I can honestly say the temporary PATH station was much more functional. Someone with a disability should sue the Port Authoirty for ADA compliance. How many elevators and distance does it take to get from the train to the street, especially if bound to a wheelchair.


Yes! That simple row of long escalators at the temporary station was much better than that mess we have today.

Now you have to go through a half dozen different staircases and escalators to get out of the damn place while dodging tourists who walk slowly and stand on the left side of the escalators.

Anyone notice that the restrooms in the PATH area also have super limited hours? I think they close at like 7pm or something like that on weekends. Glad to see they could afford to deck the whole building out in white Italian marble, but they somehow they can’t afford to keep restrooms open while you’re waiting 30 minutes for a train at night. I guess it’s just too much to ask to pay someone minimum wage to attend to the restrooms 24/7 in a $4 billion building.

I predict the oculus will age very poorly and we can expect more leaks and an expensive restoration project in 20-30 years. The marble is already stained and cracked in places.

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