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bodhipooh wrote:
De Blasio doesn't seem able to decide who to blame, but in typical coward style, he is pointing fingers and engaging in a musical chairs game of finger pointing and assigning blame: he is blaming Amazon, but also pointing the finger at AOC over her lack of understanding of the agreed incentive deal. Of course, in typical far left fashion, AOC is now asking (demanding?) that the 3 billions from the Amazon deal be spent in hiring teachers and putting people to work. Except that there never was 3 billion of cash sitting around and being handed over to Amazon... it was just tax credits, and only after certain thresholds were reached.

all around mess...poor communications/community outreach by everyone including amazon. i personally still think ~$3 billion in incentives is weigh too much. why not $500 million? why not $10 billion?

bodhipooh wrote:
De Blasio doesn't seem able to decide who to blame, but in typical coward style, he is pointing fingers and engaging in a musical chairs game of finger pointing and assigning blame: he is blaming Amazon, but also pointing the finger at AOC over her lack of understanding of the agreed incentive deal. Of course, in typical far left fashion, AOC is now asking (demanding?) that the 3 billions from the Amazon deal be spent in hiring teachers and putting people to work. Except that there never was 3 billion of cash sitting around and being handed over to Amazon... it was just tax credits, and only after certain thresholds were reached.

hero69 wrote:
now, de blasio is changing his tune and slamming amazon...lol...he's almost as bad as trump. how can he slam amazon when he and cuomo and others were enablers?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20 ... w-york-mayor-slams-amazon

hero69 wrote:
what cuomo, de blasio, amazon and so many others should have paid more attention to local concerns. maybe many residents of LIC don't want their neighborhood gentrifying on steroids, maybe amazon is aggessively anti-union. there are so many other cosiderations between dollars and cents

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Kurtmcdirt wrote:
Here are the current jobs that Amazon Advertising is currently hiring for in NYC. These aren't desirable jobs?

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/business_ca ... t=10&sort=relevant&cities[]=New%20York%2C%20New%20York%2C%20USA&distanceType=Mi&radius=24km&latitude=&longitude=&loc_group_id=&loc_query=&base_query=&city=&country=®ion=&county=&query_options=&

$3 billion in tax cuts for $30 billion in revenue. You do the math.

Kurtmcdirt wrote:
Here are the current jobs that Amazon Advertising is currently hiring for in NYC. These aren't desirable jobs?

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/business_ca ... t=10&sort=relevant&cities[]=New%20York%2C%20New%20York%2C%20USA&distanceType=Mi&radius=24km&latitude=&longitude=&loc_group_id=&loc_query=&base_query=&city=&country=®ion=&county=&query_options=&

fikonj wrote:
I admit, I haven’t been following super closely, but I don’t think I’ve seen any kind of breakdown of job categories the HQ2 would bring? What’s to say a majority wouldn’t be H1B visa workers? I know there’s an annual cap but according to data on myvisajobs.com, Amazon seems to be in the lead for its industry for the past years, here is 2019 H1B applications list: Industry: Electronic shopping and mail order houses

For 2019, Amazon was ranked #12 on the top 100 H1B visa sponsor list: 2019 top 100 H1B sponsors

Amazon seems to hold similar placements on the Green Card sponsor lists, although technically, I guess those workers could be locals from Long Island City...

hero69 wrote:
What Amazon got wrong about New York City

https://www.theverge.com/interface/201 ... ecy-incentives-automation

bodhipooh wrote:
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Kurtmcdirt wrote:
If people read Amazon's statement they would see the part where Amazon says they already have 5,000 workers in NYC and they will add more. NYC is going to get the tax revenue from these workers and not have to give the world's richest man any incentives.

A good portion of those existing jobs are not the type of high paying jobs that would have come from having HQ2 here. The cumulative loss in salaries is almost 4 BILLION annually. And the loss for NYS and NYC will be about 300 million annually in personal income tax revenue that will not be realized, plus additional labor taxes not paid by the employees.

The state (and the city) bent over backwards because the the projected revenue from those 25K jobs would have paid for those incentives over time, and then some.

Kurtmcdirt wrote:
If people read Amazon's statement they would see the part where Amazon says they already have 5,000 workers in NYC and they will add more. NYC is going to get the tax revenue from these workers and not have to give the world's richest man any incentives.

brewster wrote:
Even with the "welfare" 25K highly paid jobs pouring money into the local economy was nothing to sneeze at.

The nation is becoming a "bitchocracy", rule by the loudest and most offended.

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hero69 wrote:
amazon has decided not build HQ2 in Long Island City. Can't say that I'm too sad given all the financial incentives ("corporate welfare") amzn was due to receive. maybe they can expand their newark operations as well as dc and nashville.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/nyregion/amazon-hq2-queens.html

NY politicians and 'activists' trying to blackmail them into using union labor sure didn't help.

135jc wrote:
A bunch of liberals out liberaling each other or maybe our prgressiving each other. Regardless of the tax break LIC will not recoup this loss with other business

TheBigGuy wrote:
The cost of doing business in NYC and NY State probably warranted the $3B incentives just for them to be in contention. 25K jobs does mean something to a local economy... especially if they are blue collar jobs.

Google and Amazon are two different business models... And why would I expect a positive article from the NYT? Bezos owns their liberal competitor WaPo. Do you really think the NYT want Bezos pitching a tent in their backyard?



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hero69 wrote:
another insightful NYT article about amazon subsidies. so, amazon got $570 million from virginia and $100 million from Nashville, yet NYC offered $3 billion? WTH?
oh, and give me a break about the 25,000 jobs that amzn was gonna bring to LIC with an average salary of $150,000. that could mean anything from 1 person making $5 million and rest make peanuts....why should taxpayers subsidize someone's $25 million salary?



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/ups ... nn-subsidies-critics.html

hero69 wrote:
another insightful NYT article about amazon subsidies. so, amazon got $570 million from virginia and $100 million from Nashville, yet NYC offered $3 billion? WTH?
oh, and give me a break about the 25,000 jobs that amzn was gonna bring to LIC with an average salary of $150,000. that could mean anything from 1 person making $5 million and rest make peanuts....why should taxpayers subsidize someone's $25 million salary?



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/ups ... nn-subsidies-critics.html